80lb pack + 16miles + 24 hours = ?

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Post by Famine » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:02 am

No gear guys.

The plans off.

Welcome back WW!

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Post by roscoe » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:49 am

76 pounds is a lot, no two ways about it.

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Post by Alan Halcon » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:30 am

WW,

welcome back and thanks for the debrief and full disclosure. Like others, I know about the age thing, it seems I can't get a good nights rest anymore... I really need to get a posturpedic mattress.

Your debrief is a classic illustration of what happens when you pack too much.

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Post by Jamie » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:17 am

Glad to hear that you made it back OK-ish...

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Post by Woods Walker » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:45 pm

Here are some photos.

I am setting off from the truck. The pack was heavier than it looks. Not that a fully loaded EMR looks small by any standard.

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A trail marker.

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Some nice river photos.

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An AT lean-to. Found some nice people using it.

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A downmat 9dlx. There was no real point in counting ounces.

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Toss in a heavy synthetic sleeping bag. Over kill for the 30 degree night.

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Shelter set up with a crazy long stove pipe.

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Post by cougar » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:56 pm

awesome write up and pics. WW brings up a great point about age. Not all of us are 20 and bullet proof anymore like we thought we were back in the day. While I can hold my own humping a pack, a careless step can make my knees and ankle hurt for days from prior injuries.
I tend to pay a lot more attention to where I am stepping these days than when I was humping across Ft. Jackson and Ft. Rucker

ETA: hey Woods, can you post a pick of the stove in your tent, you got me very curious
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Post by Dirty Irish » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:57 pm

Wow, thanx a bunch for the debriefing and the pictures. Glad to see that you made it back alright and didn't get taken out by any Zed's...lol. If you have more pix, I can't wait to see them!!!

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Post by Woods Walker » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:16 pm

cougar wrote:awesome write up and pics. WW brings up a great point about age. Not all of us are 20 and bullet proof anymore like we thought we were back in the day. While I can hold my own humping a pack, a careless step can make my knees and ankle hurt for days from prior injuries.
I tend to pay a lot more attention to where I am stepping these days than when I was humping across Ft. Jackson and Ft. Rucker

ETA: hey Woods, can you post a pick of the stove in your tent, you got me very curious
Yea this age thing sucks.....

I have more info on the stove in my 72-hour BOB post.

http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22427

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I only took a few photos in the lower areas, lean-to and at camp. Was spending more time looking to cover ground. But if anyone wants to know why I packed the thin pad beyond the wish to increase the pack weight it was so I could lay next to stove for cooking and hanging out before turing in on the stupidly comfortable downmat. I could have just sat on my raingear but what is the fun in that? I use this pad alone for the warmer season in the 72-hour BOB. Here it is lashed to the pack next to the lean-to.

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At my camp.

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edit for spelling etc.
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Post by Woods Walker » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:58 pm

nfa wrote:I did a 14-miler this past summer in about 6 hours of hiking, although only about 20-25 pounds in my pack...it still beat me up...

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Post by run n gun » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:23 pm

I have a problem filling my Zulu ........Damn WW thats a lot of stuff .

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Post by BAD BOY » Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:59 am

I feel for you WW, even walking on the side of a road would be tough humping that kind of weight. No way in hell would I BO with over 50lbs, doing so would severely limit my distance and put me in a bad physical state for a couple days.

On a side note, the girl and I normally cover this distance in 6-7hrs by GPS while carrying my 40-45lbs pack over a rough trail for comparison. We can and have covered 40 miles in 2 days which I figure would get us out of harms way if we did have to bug out. More distance than that would be pretty tough in such a short period of time with my moderate load.

It's funny you mention how much you took in (calories). For some reason neither of us seem to get very hungry while hiking either. This might be due to all the water intake I'm guessing since it's kind of warm in AZ 9 months out of the year.

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Post by Obiwan » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:20 am

Get a Llama

Not an Asian holy man....a beast of burden

It will carry all your crap and if it gets annoying you can eat it
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Post by Woods Walker » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:51 am

Heading back out. Going to increase the load to 85 lbs but reduce the distance. Thinking 11 miles. Packed the INCH bag shelter and crazy homemade stove. Looks like will be in the 20's overnight. Some snow on the ground but not enough for the snowshoes. :(. Heck so little it may just melt away during the day.
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Post by Milkboot » Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:44 am

I call first dibs on gear this trip ;)

Good luck WW, and dont forget the pictures!


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Post by Squirrley » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:00 am

pics FTW!
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Post by SilentVectorX » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:32 am

Woods Walker wrote:Heading back out. Going to increase the load to 85 lbs but reduce the distance. Thinking 11 miles. Packed the INCH bag shelter and crazy homemade stove. Looks like will be in the 20's overnight. Some snow on the ground but not enough for the snowshoes. :(. Heck so little it may just melt away during the day.
Now you're talking. It's been in the 20's for the last two weeks straight up here in NE. Please post your clothing/sleeping gear when you get back.

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Post by Woods Walker » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:20 am

Well I am back. It was a bit colder than I expected. Think the overnight low was about 17ish. Not so bad considering the degree of camp comforts one can afford with an 85 lb pack. That is until the shit hit the fan Sunday night. The pack load was not all that bad on my legs and back. Guessing the reduce distance of ten miles really helped. There was some ice on the trail. Nearly fell a few times so thinking maybe a lighter pack would have made me more stable. The hiking poles helped stabilize the load over the slippery terrain.

Found some guy camped out near a lean-to. Had a small tent and a iso/pro stove. Looked like a snow peak Giga power. Much like my pocket rocket but seemed even better. Still with a small backpacker tent and that little iso/pro stove it could not have been all that fun. It was dark and dank all day and according to this guy an ice storm was moving in for Sunday. His plain was to crawl into the lean-to rather than weather the storm in his tent. My plain was to avoid the whole f@cking mess. Nearly made it but hiked out during the next night. Cold evil rain mixed in with ice. Water soaked though the EMR. Never seen a pack that was truly water proof and I don’t expect to anytime soon. Water resistant stuff sacks kept the gear dry.

Unfortunately I didn’t bring the digital camera. Didn’t think anyone would be interested in more photos for this thread. But took out the cell phone and snapped some shots. So be warned these photos will suck. Sorry. The cold and photos drained my cell phone battery. I used the Energizer cell phone recharger. Once again it worked great. A nice pack/BOB item.

Here is my camp. Weight being of ZERO concern I went overboard.
Once again sorry for the cell phone photos.

4-man tipi in a large open camping area on the AT. I was not in the mood to crawl into the hills.

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River starting to freeze up some.

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The sleep system was so overkill as to be nearly ridiculous. -15 down sleeping bag and downmat 9DLX. I can’t even begin to describe the level of comfort when there is 3 inches of uncompressed down under me and over 4 inches on top. Tossed in a bag liner too.

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Clothing system:

1. ECWS paints.
2. An old torn up and partially melted (wood stove accidents) XXL USGI jacket liner.
3. A Carhart jacket.
4. Synthetic base layer.
5. Polypro face mask/hat.
6. Large synthetic scarf.
7. Golite Poncho.
8. Lava wool socks
9. USGI wool gloves
10. Kamik insulated water proof boots.
11. Synthetic shirt.
12. Sucky cotton old navy cargo paints.

The temperature didn’t call for extreme cold weather clothing. But the freezing rain for the last two miles was killer. The 85 lbs on my back made me a bit off balanced on the ice. The dark didn’t help matters. I should have taken off Sunday morning but drag assed around.

Going to look for a lower target weight on my INCH bag. Maybe 65 lbs. The near falls during the ice storm spooked me. :shock:
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Post by CavemanSam » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:49 am

A job well done, sir!

You may have gone over this before, but could you elaborate on the stove you had in your tipi? I want to say the chimney looks like a wood burning stove, but how were you able to drag that out into the woods? Is there a packable version for backpackers?

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Post by Milkboot » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:08 am

I was going through my gear tonight, mix matching this and that, trying to bring things together getting rid of things I don't want. All that time I was thinking "Wonder what WW is doing?" Then I sat back on the couch and pouted. It happens every time I read your posts :P I wish they had trails like the AT down here!


Good job WW and Welcome back!

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Post by bluerider450 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:22 am

Awesome post man! This has definately inspired me to do a little bit of winter camping, though it doesnt usually get as cold here which is a good thing because I dont have near as much cool gear as you do! :cry:

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Post by JRod » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:03 am

CavemanSam wrote:A job well done, sir!

You may have gone over this before, but could you elaborate on the stove you had in your tipi? I want to say the chimney looks like a wood burning stove, but how were you able to drag that out into the woods? Is there a packable version for backpackers?
Do a quick search for threads authored by Woods Walker and his stove thread shouldn't be too far down. If I recall he has two wood burning camping stoves. A Kifaru collapsible and a home-brew titanium. Both have custom chimneys. I think he gets asked about the stoves in just about every thread he starts. :lol:
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Post by Woods Walker » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:46 pm

CavemanSam wrote:A job well done, sir!

You may have gone over this before, but could you elaborate on the stove you had in your tipi? I want to say the chimney looks like a wood burning stove, but how were you able to drag that out into the woods? Is there a packable version for backpackers?
The pipe is Stainless foil and rolls down to nothing.
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Post by Woods Walker » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:47 pm

JRod wrote:
CavemanSam wrote:A job well done, sir!

You may have gone over this before, but could you elaborate on the stove you had in your tipi? I want to say the chimney looks like a wood burning stove, but how were you able to drag that out into the woods? Is there a packable version for backpackers?
Do a quick search for threads authored by Woods Walker and his stove thread shouldn't be too far down. If I recall he has two wood burning camping stoves. A Kifaru collapsible and a home-brew titanium. Both have custom chimneys. I think he gets asked about the stoves in just about every thread he starts. :lol:
I have 5 stoves. But only tend to use the small Kifaru and homemade stove.
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