Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

General discussions regarding topics that aren't covered in one of the other sub-forums. NO DISCUSSION OF POLITICS!

Moderators: ZS Global Moderators, ZS Postal Match Officers

MPMalloy
ZS Member
ZS Member
Posts: 3809
Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:48 am

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by MPMalloy » Sat May 26, 2018 7:19 pm

taipan821 wrote:Another question, regarding headspace gauges.

worth it? I'm not being picky at the moment about case dimensions, just wanting to make sure the case will load
I have always heard that headspacing is important.

User avatar
Halfapint
* * * * *
Posts: 3709
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:41 pm
Favorite Zombie Movies: all?
Location: Central Cascadia

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by Halfapint » Sun May 27, 2018 11:07 am

taipan821 wrote:Another question, regarding headspace gauges.

worth it? I'm not being picky at the moment about case dimensions, just wanting to make sure the case will load
I'm not exactly clear on what it is (honestly) I resize all my cases, and inspect them carefully to see if anything is bulging or if there's cracks/etc. I've not yet come across a case that's showing signs of head space issues.
NapalmMan67 wrote:What do you consider bulk? Some vendors classify 100-500 bulk, others 1000+. Anyway...

Rocky Mountain Reloading, Missouri Bullet, Extreme Bullet, Everglades Ammo, Berrys, Mid South Shooters, Natchez, Montana Gold etc...


FWIW- I've been shooting the HiTek coated bullets from Missouri in both 9mm and 45, and they are great. Much easier to load than plated, but maybe that's just me.
Bulk is 1000+ for me. MP actually pointed out that some of the auction sites have bulk ammo for sale, so I've been looking through them to see what I can find. Thanks for the list! I'll check them out as well
JeeperCreeper wrote:I like huge dicks, Halfapint, so you are OK in my book.... hahaha
Spazzy wrote:Tell ya what... If Zombies attack and the world ends I'll hook tandem toddlers to a plow if it means I'll be able to eat...

User avatar
NapalmMan67
* *
Posts: 182
Joined: Tue May 17, 2011 10:43 am
Location: 1313 Mockingbird Lane

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by NapalmMan67 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:14 pm

Halfapint wrote:
taipan821 wrote:Another question, regarding headspace gauges.

worth it? I'm not being picky at the moment about case dimensions, just wanting to make sure the case will load
I'm not exactly clear on what it is (honestly) I resize all my cases, and inspect them carefully to see if anything is bulging or if there's cracks/etc. I've not yet come across a case that's showing signs of head space issues.
NapalmMan67 wrote:What do you consider bulk? Some vendors classify 100-500 bulk, others 1000+. Anyway...

Rocky Mountain Reloading, Missouri Bullet, Extreme Bullet, Everglades Ammo, Berrys, Mid South Shooters, Natchez, Montana Gold etc...


FWIW- I've been shooting the HiTek coated bullets from Missouri in both 9mm and 45, and they are great. Much easier to load than plated, but maybe that's just me.
Bulk is 1000+ for me. MP actually pointed out that some of the auction sites have bulk ammo for sale, so I've been looking through them to see what I can find. Thanks for the list! I'll check them out as well
8-)








For therapy I ran my 650XL after installing a few upgrade items and loaded 100/mol rounds of .45ACP. The press ran slicker than goose shit on wet grass.


.
Always have a buddy and a backup plan!


.

Zed Hunter
* *
Posts: 117
Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:02 am

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by Zed Hunter » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:07 pm

For a swaying single stage press get the Lee classic cast. Much stronger than the C press and not that much more.

User avatar
brothaman
* * * * *
Posts: 1027
Joined: Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:40 pm
Location: SC

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by brothaman » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:10 pm

Just putting this out there... a good electronic auto charge/scale will make your reloading more enjoyable and easier for less money than a good progressive press. Just sayin'. Metering powder is a bitch. Metering extruded powder is a bigger bitch. The 'lectro charge/scale is sooooo choice. Charge is ready, waiting, and accurate by the time I seat a primer. Pour powder, set the pan down, seat the next primer and ,.. damn. Just like frickin' magic there's a perfectly metered charge waiting right there.
It stops being funny when it starts being you.

User avatar
BullOnParade
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 3013
Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:10 pm
Location: Toronto, Ontario

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by BullOnParade » Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:13 am

I'm putting my casting production on steroids in the near future. Just a teaser post to get the ol' blood flowing.
BullOnParade

Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.

Urban BOB/Range (& Bailout) Bag/EDC/Vehicle Kit

taipan821
* * *
Posts: 536
Joined: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:58 am

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by taipan821 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:26 pm

well, an update.

Just put together 100 rounds, cci primers, 25 grains AR2206, 50 grain Zmax. waiting for a chance to go to the range to test them out
Vincent Tornado: 2013
Tropical Cyclone Ita: Category 5 landfall 2014
Tropical Cyclone Marcia: Category 5 landfall 2015
Tropical Cyclone Nathan: Category 3 landfall 2015
Severe Tropical Cyclone Debbie: Category 4 landfall 2017

User avatar
eugene
* * * * *
Posts: 2205
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:27 pm

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by eugene » Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:14 pm

I finally got to test some tree fiddy seven loads. I couldn't get the chronometer to communicate with my phone so I recorded each test and wrote down each shot.
[YouTube]https://youtu.be/ADClPKwqous[/YouTube]
Creek made too much noise to hear me.
2004 Silverado ECSB Z71 5.3L
2009 Giant Cypress DX, 1996 Specialized Rockhopper
Smith and Wesson M&P9c, M&P22
Map of our travels. Our EveryTrail page
My Garmin Connect Profile

Zed Hunter
* *
Posts: 117
Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:02 am

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by Zed Hunter » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:59 am

Just received my primers & powder from Graphs. Going to start on 3" .410 buckshot loads. Still need a roll crimper.

Zed Hunter
* *
Posts: 117
Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:02 am

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by Zed Hunter » Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:04 am

The Lee loader for .410 I just received is 30+ years old but works great. I de-capped all of my Super X hulls yesterday and started priming them.

User avatar
Halfapint
* * * * *
Posts: 3709
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:41 pm
Favorite Zombie Movies: all?
Location: Central Cascadia

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by Halfapint » Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:38 am

Man with all the work on the property I haven't had the down time to reload. I'm up to a 5gallon buck full of spent 9mm, and about half a bucket of both 308 and 223. My roommate has been on a reloading spree however, he's loaded about 400 .270's for hunting season and weekly practice before hunting.

On a side note, he and I did load some ELD-X bullets for his .270 and my .308. Neither of us could get these things sighted in. With my 150's at 300 yds I'm shooting about 2MOA groups, he shoots about 4-5MOA. With the ELD-X I couldn't even get 1 MOA at 100yds, my buddy couldn't even get on paper half the time. I think I figured out his issue, he's got an older Model70 I believe it's a 1-12 twist, he's been shooting heavy bullets, I don't think the bullets are stabilizing and are going crazy. I'm having him drop down to 130gr bullets, hopefully those will stabilize better and not go all over. I've got a faster twist of 1-10 and I've shot 220gr bullets with no issues, the ELD-X's I think were 178gr, so not sure what my issue was.
JeeperCreeper wrote:I like huge dicks, Halfapint, so you are OK in my book.... hahaha
Spazzy wrote:Tell ya what... If Zombies attack and the world ends I'll hook tandem toddlers to a plow if it means I'll be able to eat...

User avatar
BullOnParade
ZS Lifetime Member
ZS Lifetime Member
Posts: 3013
Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:10 pm
Location: Toronto, Ontario

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by BullOnParade » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:44 pm

So, without further delay, here's my newest addition to my casting set up ...

I started with a home made forge torch, built along the lines of some outlined on YouTube ... Inspired by designs like this ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaaH1Sbr ... e=youtu.be

Instead of drilling through holes and using set screws to to secure everything in place, I took a 3/4 NPT - 1/8 NPT reducer, tapped the inside of the reducer, and secured my 1/8 nipple to the side I tapped, then used the 3/4 npt thread to secure the brass fittings into a black pipe cross, tightening until the fuel hole lined up with one of the perpendicular holes. I chose a cross instead of a plain T to allow for more air intake.

Image

Originally I thought I would just hang the cast iron pot from the handle, but that wasn't very safe. The pot was very easy to tip and when full of molten lead, would not have been fun. Here's a picture from my first trial run.

Image

The solution was a set of angled rods instead of a straight piece doubled back.
This actually worked out great. Originally I was going to weld them straight out from each other, but realized when mocking it up, the taper of the pot would force the arms open allowing the pot to rest on the side tabs.

Image

My regulator is set much lower than anyone on YouTube (around 3psi), but they're building foundries, presumably for steel and aluminum, and I'm melting lead. Melt time was very fast, next time i'll be starting with a full pot, which is optimum, so it should be even faster, I'll time it when I start her up.
Another great advantage is for alloying metals. When I was done, I flipped the pot just to see how much the lead would stick, it fell right out. I could stamp the details in that 25 pound puck and store it until I wanted to use that alloy again, without using a different pot.

I was able to process about 200 lbs of range scrap lead in 6 hours, and I see some easy changes I can make.

I am on the lookout for another cheap cast iron pot, I want to drill into the side and install a spigot of some sort, allowing for bottom pouring, and using more of the lead in the pot than the ladle method I used on Saturday.

Image

Quick edit: forgot one of my favourite parts - it all breaks apart or folds together into a nice, compact package for storing! The legs fold against the spine, the torch slides off and coils up with the fuel line and regulator, and the pot arms slide forward to pack flat. Very small space friendly.
BullOnParade

Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.

Urban BOB/Range (& Bailout) Bag/EDC/Vehicle Kit

User avatar
flybynight
* * * * *
Posts: 2344
Joined: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:30 am

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by flybynight » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:18 am

When looking at reloading data books they list by caliber and load data for several powders. I got to thinking is there a chart or book that lists by powders and their suitability to caliber? What I got to thinking bout is if you have a certain powder a quick reference to all calibers it could be used in and the load data.
As of now I bet you got me wrong

John Titor was right

User avatar
SRO1911
* * *
Posts: 448
Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:16 pm
Location: Abilene, TX

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by SRO1911 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:40 pm

Many powder manufacturers will attach short lists of recommendations to their products. However a complete list such as you mentioned would be very difficult.
Add that many powders are capable of being used in calibers far outside of their ideal range and you have a true rats nest.

User avatar
flybynight
* * * * *
Posts: 2344
Joined: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:30 am

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by flybynight » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:14 am

SRO1911 wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:40 pm
Many powder manufacturers will attach short lists of recommendations to their products. However a complete list such as you mentioned would be very difficult.
Add that many powders are capable of being used in calibers far outside of their ideal range and you have a true rats nest.
yea .. thought so. The idea just floated through my head the other day. In my head , the scenario was Mutiple firearms in different calibers in a paw event . Quick referrence guide to which powder would work in dispariate cartridges.
As of now I bet you got me wrong

John Titor was right

User avatar
eugene
* * * * *
Posts: 2205
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:27 pm

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by eugene » Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:11 pm

page 11 for example http://www.alliantpowder.com/resources/ ... powder.pdf

I found a reference for Hodgdon once before but can't find it again.
But anyway the data doesn't show the recommended use for each powder so that takes more research.

You could use power pistol for 9mm, .40 and 10mm for example. But your going to have a hard time using one powder for say 9mm and .223 rifle.
2004 Silverado ECSB Z71 5.3L
2009 Giant Cypress DX, 1996 Specialized Rockhopper
Smith and Wesson M&P9c, M&P22
Map of our travels. Our EveryTrail page
My Garmin Connect Profile

User avatar
flybynight
* * * * *
Posts: 2344
Joined: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:30 am

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by flybynight » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:58 pm

eugene wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:11 pm
page 11 for example http://www.alliantpowder.com/resources/ ... powder.pdf

I found a reference for Hodgdon once before but can't find it again.
But anyway the data doesn't show the recommended use for each powder so that takes more research.

You could use power pistol for 9mm, .40 and 10mm for example. But your going to have a hard time using one powder for say 9mm and .223 rifle.
OK That actually put me near what I was thinking about. ( not totally as I was hoping for a guide to any/all cartridges a particular powder can be used in and the load data for all cartridges.
When I clicked on your link from there I could click on different powders which led me to pages like this

https://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders ... powderid=7
As of now I bet you got me wrong

John Titor was right

User avatar
SRO1911
* * *
Posts: 448
Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:16 pm
Location: Abilene, TX

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by SRO1911 » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:21 pm

I stick a good variety of powders, with different loads for different firearms even within the same caliber.
That being said, I stick a few powders deep - Varget being the main. While it's not the best at any one thing (except my PRS 308...1k yards near moa) it seems to have an exceptionally wide application range. Pretty much any modern rifle cartridge, minus the largest magnums, can use varget.
I always start my load development with it, fined a "good enough " - then move on to refining and experimenting.

User avatar
eugene
* * * * *
Posts: 2205
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:27 pm

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by eugene » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:52 pm

You can do similar with other manufacturers, for example: https://www.hodgdon.com/titegroup/ then there is a list of calibers to choose from.

There are also online databases like
http://www.ammoguide.com/


I've consolidated this from the Hodgdon site for a high level

Code: Select all

Hodgdon   Target  Light Duty	Medium Duty	Magnum
HS6                     x           x              
HS7                                 x            x
H110                                x            x
H4227                               x            x
H4198           
HP38            x       x           x
Clays           x       x
International   
Universal       x       x           x
Tightgroup      x       x
Titewad         
H4895           
BL-C(2)         
H335            
Lil Gun                             x             x         
Longshot       
Then for both my 9mm and .357 I'm testing as many as possible

found the reference http://ns.hodgdon.com/usage.html I think its their old site.
2004 Silverado ECSB Z71 5.3L
2009 Giant Cypress DX, 1996 Specialized Rockhopper
Smith and Wesson M&P9c, M&P22
Map of our travels. Our EveryTrail page
My Garmin Connect Profile

Zed Hunter
* *
Posts: 117
Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:02 am

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by Zed Hunter » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:32 pm

The former Hercules powers, now made by Alliant, red dot green dot and unique are my go to powders. They can be loaded in many pistol and rifle calibers as well as shotgun gages.

User avatar
eugene
* * * * *
Posts: 2205
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:27 pm

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by eugene » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:36 pm

hmm, I'm using unique in 9mm, looks like it may be decent for .357 as well. I'll have to test some.
2004 Silverado ECSB Z71 5.3L
2009 Giant Cypress DX, 1996 Specialized Rockhopper
Smith and Wesson M&P9c, M&P22
Map of our travels. Our EveryTrail page
My Garmin Connect Profile

User avatar
Halfapint
* * * * *
Posts: 3709
Joined: Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:41 pm
Favorite Zombie Movies: all?
Location: Central Cascadia

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by Halfapint » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:24 pm

Set the press up for 9mm last night. cranked out about 800rds only about 4k more to go.

I'm curious does anyone use the Hornady bullet feed for 9mm? I just have the tubes not the electric feed, but I cannot get my bullets to feed properly. I've figured out the issue after spending hours and hours working on it. the feed is just a little bit wider than the bullets so they are able get caught on the little ridge between the feed and the part that stops the bullets from falling through. I cant see how to fix this, and why I'm having such an issue when I check online no one else is (clearly operator error?). Perhaps because I'm using Berry's bullets? I'm completely stumped, so I have to feed each bloody bullet into the case.

Good thing I'm really awesome at tedious jobs.
JeeperCreeper wrote:I like huge dicks, Halfapint, so you are OK in my book.... hahaha
Spazzy wrote:Tell ya what... If Zombies attack and the world ends I'll hook tandem toddlers to a plow if it means I'll be able to eat...

User avatar
eugene
* * * * *
Posts: 2205
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:27 pm

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by eugene » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:18 pm

Prepping some rounds for the INCH gun
Image

Image

Updated my "recipe" card format as well
Image
2004 Silverado ECSB Z71 5.3L
2009 Giant Cypress DX, 1996 Specialized Rockhopper
Smith and Wesson M&P9c, M&P22
Map of our travels. Our EveryTrail page
My Garmin Connect Profile

boskone
* *
Posts: 217
Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:07 pm

Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by boskone » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:06 pm

Ordered a case gauge for my 6.5 Grendel, some CFE223 which is supposed to work well for 5.56 and 6.5 Grendel, and some 6.5mm 123gr Hornady ELD.

My first effort will be to get performance similar to the Hornady ELD that were the donor for my brass, then maybe fiddle with loads a bit to see if I can get better.

But once it gets warmer. Aside from comfort, for some reason I just don't like the idea of reloading with a heater sitting next to me, and my garage is entirely unsuited to general climate control. (It's barely suited to anything...stupid modern "2 car" garages.)

Post Reply

Return to “General Firearms Discussion”