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Re: Bugging Out to Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams Club: No!

Post by w3rdtoyamama » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:18 pm

Why would anyone think those places are good to go?
Just look at black friday when society is NOT enduring any type of disaster.

Some people only care about the latest and greatest technology on the market. Or in some cases...a toy.
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Post by NT2C » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:11 pm

raptor wrote:
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It would take sense that liability issues, social media grilling, wider threats of boycott, and maybe feeling the police are more useful elsewhere, all played a part.

Also, at this point what is done is done. Prevention is needed. Once prevention fails, maybe just let the police do other things?

My guesses.
I agree, at this point the losses are likely covered by insurance (assuming they are not self insured). They probably view it as a sunk cost. Once the looting starts it likely is just that.

My comment is simply watch the behavior and remember this. You should assume this is not an isolated instance of this behavior.
My thought is that by asking the police to not intervene then they nullified any insurance coverage they might have had for this. Insurance companies always want someone to go after to get as much of their payout back as possible.
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Post by raptor » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:26 pm

It would be covered. The justification was the extra danger posed by stopping the looters. The property damage policy may want the looting stopped but the GL carrier will not want anyone hurt on the property.

Couple that with the bad PR that comes with shooting looters and it can be reasonabl. That said by the time the authorities likely arrived it is probable the store was already throughly looted.

It was likely already looted well before then.

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Post by NT2C » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:42 pm

Got it the first time. :wink:
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Post by flybynight » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:37 am

Makes you wonder just how many of the people who don't evacuate are criminals betting on surviving the storm and hitting jackpot on the looter lottery.
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Makes you wonder just how many of the people who don't evacuate are criminals betting on surviving the storm and hitting jackpot on the looter lottery.
That would require thinking ahead, hence the first failure.
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Post by flybynight » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:22 am

I dunno. I think we've all worked with people who would argue for half an hour to get out of five minutes of work
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Post by majorhavoc » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:09 pm

raptor wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:26 pm
That said by the time the authorities likely arrived it is probable the store was already throughly looted.

It was likely already looted well before then.
That was definitely the case based on SCBrian's linked video in his post on the previous page of this thread. It's worth a watch, for its tragi-comedic/make-your-blood-boil entertainment value.

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Post by teotwaki » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:54 pm

raptor wrote:
Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:26 pm
It would be covered. The justification was the extra danger posed by stopping the looters. The property damage policy may want the looting stopped but the GL carrier will not want anyone hurt on the property.

Couple that with the bad PR that comes with shooting looters and it can be reasonable. That said by the time the authorities likely arrived it is probable the store was already thoroughly looted.

It was likely already looted well before then.
This thought process could also be extended to private citizens staying away from any attempts to stop looters on other folks' properties. Maybe an exception would be in an extreme instance where looters try to set fire to that property and the fire might burn out your own home or business.
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Post by teotwaki » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:57 pm

SCBrian wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:19 pm
Family Dollar, Wilmington, NC - September 2018 after a minor Hurricane.
I wonder if the reporter would be shocked if some thug started beating on her and the camera person?
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Post by SCBrian » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:53 pm

teotwaki wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:57 pm
SCBrian wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:19 pm
Family Dollar, Wilmington, NC - September 2018 after a minor Hurricane.
I wonder if the reporter would be shocked if some thug started beating on her and the camera person?
All I know is she's either got brass knockers bigger than mine below her belt or is just naive. I know I wouldn;t even approach the scene of a looting frenzy, especially if I couldn't blend in, let alone ask them if they had a moment to stop looting to talk on camera... :ooh:

I saw a few other videos taken (Gotta love the demographic that feels the need to record themselves committing felonies) And cops would approach and continue driving by. Tapping the siren once or twice in passing.
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Post by NT2C » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:02 pm

SCBrian wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:53 pm
teotwaki wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:57 pm
SCBrian wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:19 pm
Family Dollar, Wilmington, NC - September 2018 after a minor Hurricane.
I wonder if the reporter would be shocked if some thug started beating on her and the camera person?
All I know is she's either got brass knockers bigger than mine below her belt or is just naive. I know I wouldn;t even approach the scene of a looting frenzy, especially if I couldn't blend in, let alone ask them if they had a moment to stop looting to talk on camera... :ooh:

I saw a few other videos taken (Gotta love the demographic that feels the need to record themselves committing felonies) And cops would approach and continue driving by. Tapping the siren once or twice in passing.
I think the real danger here is in the police showing that they simply will not stop or try and control looting. That's going to get somebody killed because someone is going to say, "Well, if the police won't protect my store/house/stuff then I'll do it myself with my 12 gauge.
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Re: Bugging Out to Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams Club: No!

Post by eugene » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:10 pm

I think the initial thought is like the 'leave your car unlocked so they won't break the window'. If you try to stop looting you'll just start a riot and instead of the end result being an empty store you'll have a burned down store. The building probably is worth more than the contents so they want to minimize damage, so they thought is don't piss off the looters and have them destroy the place.
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Post by flybynight » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:09 pm

NT2C wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:02 pm
SCBrian wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:53 pm
teotwaki wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:57 pm
SCBrian wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:19 pm
Family Dollar, Wilmington, NC - September 2018 after a minor Hurricane.
I wonder if the reporter would be shocked if some thug started beating on her and the camera person?
All I know is she's either got brass knockers bigger than mine below her belt or is just naive. I know I wouldn;t even approach the scene of a looting frenzy, especially if I couldn't blend in, let alone ask them if they had a moment to stop looting to talk on camera... :ooh:

I saw a few other videos taken (Gotta love the demographic that feels the need to record themselves committing felonies) And cops would approach and continue driving by. Tapping the siren once or twice in passing.
I think the real danger here is in the police showing that they simply will not stop or try and control looting. That's going to get somebody killed because someone is going to say, "Well, if the police won't protect my store/house/stuff then I'll do it myself with my 12 gauge.
Other than the newer vehicles. That could be Los Angeles in 92. Some area's the only stores that survived were the ones protected by the armed store owners. Police response, neighborhood looters, lack of services. Everything all FUBAR, really puts it all in perspective and the certainty that when faced with this type of situation , better make the right descions quickly.
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Re: Bugging Out to Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams Club: No!

Post by raptor » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:58 am

eugene wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:10 pm
I think the initial thought is like the 'leave your car unlocked so they won't break the window'. If you try to stop looting you'll just start a riot and instead of the end result being an empty store you'll have a burned down store. The building probably is worth more than the contents so they want to minimize damage, so they thought is don't piss off the looters and have them destroy the place.
There is logic to that position. An undamaged but looted store can be up and running making sales in about 24 to 48 hours. A burned down and gutted store loses sales for 6 months to a year. The value of the store is in the gross margin on sales it makes. The inventory does have value but nothing like the gross margin from 6 months worth of sales.

The fact that a business has to make this decision sucks but that is the world in which we live today. Stay a way from retail stores during a disaster. You do this by planning ahead.

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Post by NT2C » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:16 pm

raptor wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:58 am
eugene wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:10 pm
I think the initial thought is like the 'leave your car unlocked so they won't break the window'. If you try to stop looting you'll just start a riot and instead of the end result being an empty store you'll have a burned down store. The building probably is worth more than the contents so they want to minimize damage, so they thought is don't piss off the looters and have them destroy the place.
There is logic to that position. An undamaged but looted store can be up and running making sales in about 24 to 48 hours. A burned down and gutted store loses sales for 6 months to a year. The value of the store is in the gross margin on sales it makes. The inventory does have value but nothing like the gross margin from 6 months worth of sales.

The fact that a business has to make this decision sucks but that is the world in which we live today. Stay a way from retail stores during a disaster. You do this by planning ahead.
The value of the inventory and the relationship of that number to the 6-month gross margin number depends entirely on the cost of the inventory and the margin percentage. A large inventory of low margin items, like say a dollar store's inventory of, quite likely, tens of thousands of units, maybe even hundreds of thousands, might actually cost a lot more to replace than 6 months gross margins. The profits for such stores usually center around buying in vast quantities of non-perishable small items that can be held in-store. It might take 5 years to sell those 6 cases of pencil erasers that you make a 2 cent profit per unit on, but you will eventually get your $35 profit from them. Meanwhile, the mattress store down the street with an inventory of under 500 units but a 65% markup over cost, their losses in inventory in relation to 6-months gross margin are going to be less.

Moot point though really because there's not much choice that the owners have.
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Post by Stercutus » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:56 pm

After the LA riots a lot of stores were never rebuilt. Same is true in Baltimore although less so. The economy was doing better and the city threw buckets of cash at businesses to stay.
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Post by majorhavoc » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:24 pm

SCBrian wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:53 pm
teotwaki wrote:
Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:57 pm
SCBrian wrote:
Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:19 pm
Family Dollar, Wilmington, NC - September 2018 after a minor Hurricane.
I wonder if the reporter would be shocked if some thug started beating on her and the camera person?
All I know is she's either got brass knockers bigger than mine below her belt or is just naive. I know I wouldn;t even approach the scene of a looting frenzy, especially if I couldn't blend in, let alone ask them if they had a moment to stop looting to talk on camera... :ooh:

I saw a few other videos taken (Gotta love the demographic that feels the need to record themselves committing felonies) And cops would approach and continue driving by. Tapping the siren once or twice in passing.
Maybe I didn't see all of the video (I remember watching it up the point where the police arrived), but what I saw weren't exactly dangerously threatening thugs. They struck me as pretty sheepish about it, at least when the female reporter and her camera man showed up. Refusing to make eye contact, pulling tee shirts over their faces. They knew what they were doing was wrong, they just didn't give a f*ck.

I suspect the distinguishing factor here is what I alluded to earlier: these aren't desperate people fighting over life sustaining supplies. They're just low lifes (sorry, but I'm calling a spade a spade here) who were taking advantage of an opportunity to score some free shit. The desperation (and potential for violent behavior) usually sets in around day three. Otherwise I completely agree with the general guidance to stay, far, far away from looting and/or angry hordes.

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Post by teotwaki » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:48 pm

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After the LA riots a lot of stores were never rebuilt.
The truth is far more complex. Before the riots the residents of South Central (now called South L.A.) started efforts to rid the area of some of the more than 700 liquor stores, a blight on their community. Ultimately the riots destroyed 30% of them and another 800 buildings.

Even before the riots the face of South LA was turning from black to brown and today the area is less than 30% black. Despite the usual media sound bites about crime in the area there were positive effects:

"As much as African Americans lamented the loss of a traditionally black community, the Latin Americanization of South Los Angeles was an economically advantageous development. “What salvaged Los Angeles in the mid-1990s,” the journalist Lou Cannon has argued, “was a burst of economic activity led by Latino immigrants.” 12 The infusion of Mexican and Latin American families, who appear to have a high rate of labor force participation, produced an increase in the purchasing power in those communities. Harvard economist Michael Porter, founder of the Initiative for a Competitive Inner City, who has been focusing on inner-city purchasing power for the last decade, assessed in 2006 that inner-city residents in the United States spent $122 billion on retail annually. 13 In the first decade of the 21st century, developers and retailers have responded to rising Latino purchasing power by building stores, malls and housing in areas once regarded as risky for cautious investors. In South Los Angeles today you will find about a dozen Starbucks, those ubiquitous bellwethers of discretionary income.

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teotwaki wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:48 pm
Stercutus wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:56 pm
After the LA riots a lot of stores were never rebuilt.
The truth is far more complex. Before the riots the residents of South Central (now called South L.A.) started efforts to rid the area of some of the more than 700 liquor stores, a blight on their community. Ultimately the riots destroyed 30% of them and another 800 buildings.

Even before the riots the face of South LA was turning from black to brown and today the area is less than 30% black. Despite the usual media sound bites about crime in the area there were positive effects:

"As much as African Americans lamented the loss of a traditionally black community, the Latin Americanization of South Los Angeles was an economically advantageous development. “What salvaged Los Angeles in the mid-1990s,” the journalist Lou Cannon has argued, “was a burst of economic activity led by Latino immigrants.” 12 The infusion of Mexican and Latin American families, who appear to have a high rate of labor force participation, produced an increase in the purchasing power in those communities. Harvard economist Michael Porter, founder of the Initiative for a Competitive Inner City, who has been focusing on inner-city purchasing power for the last decade, assessed in 2006 that inner-city residents in the United States spent $122 billion on retail annually. 13 In the first decade of the 21st century, developers and retailers have responded to rising Latino purchasing power by building stores, malls and housing in areas once regarded as risky for cautious investors. In South Los Angeles today you will find about a dozen Starbucks, those ubiquitous bellwethers of discretionary income.

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Not a great place to live but definitely not a zombified city full of 20 year old burned out buildings. The burned out buildings are more recent.... :v:
Funny, when I googled that I found a Starbucks on Century Blvd near Crenshaw Blvd and... Nothing else in South Central L À.
I worked in South Central in late 70s to mid 80s. Most of those liquor stores were just small mom n pop markets. There was so many because other than
ABC markets there basically were no chain supermarkets and hadn't been since the Watts riots. When I googled grocery stores I found five Kroger stores scattered from South Bay to Hollywood/Koreatown. The ABC chain has apparently vanished from Los Angeles and dwindled to a couple stores in Orange county. Google showed none of the small chains like Ron's, R Ranch, Pioneer and no independent markets. I dunno maybe Google broke, or the store's don't advertise their location . Maybe I should have searched El Mercado. But it hardly lends creedance to that article.
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Funny, when I googled that I found a Starbucks on Century Blvd near Crenshaw Blvd and... Nothing else in South Central L À.
I worked in South Central in late 70s to mid 80s. Most of those liquor stores were just small mom n pop markets. There was so many because other than ABC markets there basically were no chain supermarkets and hadn't been since the Watts riots. When I googled grocery stores I found five Kroger stores scattered from South Bay to Hollywood/Koreatown. The ABC chain has apparently vanished from Los Angeles and dwindled to a couple stores in Orange county. Google showed none of the small chains like Ron's, R Ranch, Pioneer and no independent markets. I dunno maybe Google broke, or the store's don't advertise their location . Maybe I should have searched El Mercado. But it hardly lends creedance to that article.
Might be that the Googling should be based on "South Los Angeles" and not "South Central". Also look at the borders of the area in a map

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Then check a Starbucks map and it is more like this

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As for grocery markets, 30 year memories don't match the current landscape anywhere. Otherwise you'd still be shopping at SavOns, GemCo, White Front and all of those other failed chains.

Currently in South Los Angeles you can shop at a lot of major chains: Ralphs, Food4Less etc. so the article is credible

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Organic products · Great produce
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(323) 541-0107
Open ⋅ Closes 10PM

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(310) 677-0286
Organic products · Great produce
Open ⋅ Closes 1AM

Superior Grocers
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Grocery store chain stocking tortillas, international foods, takeaway fare & more.
Los Angeles, CA
(323) 750-1575
Open ⋅ Closes 10PM

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Grocery store chain stocking tortillas, international foods, takeaway fare & more.
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(323) 241-6789
Organic products · Great produce
Open ⋅ Closes 10PM

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(323) 751-5526
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Inglewood, CA
(310) 672-3210
Open ⋅ Closes 11PM

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No-frills supermarket chain stocking a wide selection of bulk grocery items, produce & more.
Chesterfield Square
Los Angeles, CA
(323) 293-1369
Organic products · Great produce
Open ⋅ Closes 12AM

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Los Angeles, CA
(323) 570-1566
Open ⋅ Closes 9PM

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Los Angeles, CA
(323) 757-4147
Organic products · Great produce
Open ⋅ Closes 11PM
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4.1 (857) · $$ · Grocery Store
Los Angeles, CA
(323) 292-0633
Organic products · Great produce
Open ⋅ Closes 10PM

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No-frills supermarket chain stocking a wide selection of bulk grocery items, produce & more.
Los Angeles, CA
(323) 735-8317
Organic products · Great produce
Open ⋅ Closes 12AM
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Re: Bugging Out to Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams Club: No!

Post by raptor » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:55 am

Come on gang this thread already takes hours to read. Please do not turn this into a chat thread. If you want to continue this discussion set up a new thread and I will move the conversation over to it.

Thank you. Staying on topic will be appreciated.

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Re: Bugging Out to Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams Club: No!

Post by JF89 » Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:32 pm

I didnt realize people thought bugging out to Wal Mart was a good idea...lol...that is about as bright as the people who plan on storming Army bases for supplies.

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Re: Bugging Out to Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams Club: No!

Post by JeeperCreeper » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:40 pm

JF89 wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:32 pm
I didnt realize people thought bugging out to Wal Mart was a good idea...lol...that is about as bright as the people who plan on storming Army bases for supplies.
Depends on the type of Apoc... If there's a rapture like scenario where everyone disappears, that's where I'm going first. Then to the Lexus dealership. Then to helicopter store.
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