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Time for a gun muffler, rifle can suggestions...

Post by FreuderLocks » Tue Sep 13, 2016 9:30 am

Hi again all.

I decided, after my skin told me it could hear my SBR, it's time to get a can. I just can't make up my mind on what I want though, or I don't know what I really need.

Most of the time this future can will be on a 10.0" ar SBR, but will probably see some use on other things as well. I feel like a .30 cal can would be best, but outside of that, don't know what I need.

It doesn't have to be the newest, hottest fanboy gunmuffler in existsnce, but I'd like a tough, user serviceable and reasonably light can, I realize that tough and light might not fit the same profile, I'm not hell-bent on x or y can.

The Saker 7.62 seems like a Good option, what else is anybody running that fits into the same general category?

The Griffin Optimus caught my eye as a 'do it all suppressor', any suggestions on that line of thinking? It's attractive because it does so much.

The monocore suppressors are attractive, but a k baffle stack works just as well. Not really biased but my desires may fall outside of my needs lol.

Any advice or suggestions would be great.

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Post by Dabster » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:13 am

I love my Silencerco Omega. I have ASR mounts on my 11" SBR and 24" AR-10 and can merrily switch it between the two. A guy who owns an older AAC suppressor complained that this .30 caliber can was quieter on my SBR than his dedicated 5.56 can was on his SBR. I am not detecting any point of impact changes and while it is not hearing safe, it does make them a lot quieter. Only problem is that it is not user servicable.

Happy shopping & waiting. This sounds crazy but I think you will find the wait time addictive.
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Post by FreuderLocks » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:34 am

Dabster wrote:I love my Silencerco Omega. I have ASR mounts on my 11" SBR and 24" AR-10 and can merrily switch it between the two. A guy who owns an older AAC suppressor complained that this .30 caliber can was quieter on my SBR than his dedicated 5.56 can was on his SBR. I am not detecting any point of impact changes and while it is not hearing safe, it does make them a lot quieter. Only problem is that it is not user servicable.

Happy shopping & waiting. This sounds crazy but I think you will find the wait time addictive.
True, I'm already a few stamps in, waiting is,....fun!?...

Hearing safe, on a 10" rifle is a myth. So that's not a qualification I'm chasing.

I'll check out the omega.

Thing is, there's a Saker 762 on the shelf at my shop, which would cut out a bit of the wait as I can just buy it and send the papers ASAP.

I'm still very open to other ideas.

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Re: Time for a gun muffler, rifle can suggestions...

Post by LowKey » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:42 pm

Do a Form 1 and roll your own.
It is not difficult, I made two in one day on my first try and they came out perfectly and cost a fraction of what commercial cans cost.
I used Ti for the tube, spacer, end cap, and thread protector and SS for the baffles and it still cost me less than a carbon steel commercial can.
When shooting .300BO subs it sounds like a staple gun, but admittedly .300BO is easy to suppress.

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1 baffle shaping tool ($100, and still GTG for any future builds)
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PM me and I'll walk you through it....very, very easy.
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Post by Stercutus » Tue Sep 13, 2016 5:15 pm

Isn't the wait time the same on a Form 1? I mean heck yeah, it is all kinds of cheaper but don't you still have to wait?
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Post by FreuderLocks » Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:30 pm

LowKey wrote:Do a Form 1 and roll your own.
It is not difficult, I made two in one day on my first try and they came out perfectly and cost a fraction of what commercial cans cost.
I used Ti for the tube, spacer, end cap, and thread protector and SS for the baffles and it still cost me less than a carbon steel commercial can.
When shooting .300BO subs it sounds like a staple gun, but admittedly .300BO is easy to suppress.

Tools used-
Harbor Freight Drill Press and carbide bits.
1 baffle shaping tool ($100, and still GTG for any future builds)
Bench vise

PM me and I'll walk you through it....very, very easy.
A local gunsmith also said he could do a can for around $250. Paying someone to get it done right, the first time, is higher on my list than trying myself. I'm fairly handy, but I'd rather leave it up to someone with the tools and experience. Cool idea though, I'd certainly entertain the idea at a later date.
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Post by LowKey » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:38 am

FreuderLocks wrote: A local gunsmith also said he could do a can for around $250. Paying someone to get it done right, the first time, is higher on my list than trying myself. I'm fairly handy, but I'd rather leave it up to someone with the tools and experience. Cool idea though, I'd certainly entertain the idea at a later date.
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I hope he's got an 07FFL or else he (and you if you take him up on the offer) are looking at felony charges.
If you do a Form 1, you and you alone are the only person who can manufacture (make) the can. Period.
Someone can can stand along side of you to answer questions, make suggestions, and otherwise provide you knowledge but yours are the only hands that can do the work.
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Post by LowKey » Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:46 am

Stercutus wrote:Isn't the wait time the same on a Form 1? I mean heck yeah, it is all kinds of cheaper but don't you still have to wait?
Yes, you still have the wait. I don't imagine the processing time is any faster on Form 1's than it is for Form 4's.
On the plus side though it's not only drastically less expensive, but you don't have to tie up the cost of a commercial can and have it sit in your dealers safe for months. Likewise you could also buy parts and materials one at a time as funds permit.

Keep in mind, there is no time frame in which you must start or complete your build after getting your Form 1 approved and the tax stamp issued.
You could get the can approved in Sep 2016 and not build your can until Sep 2050....perfectly legal.

Having built a can I can say that it's highly doubtful that I would ever buy a commercially made can. It's ridiculously easy to build one yourself that works like a charm, all at a fraction of the cost* of a commercially made can.



* About $240 for parts and hardware + $200 for the stamp= $440 for a .30 caliber 8 inch Titanium can w/SS baffles. Plus an afternoon at the workbench taking my sweet time and enjoying a beer.
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Post by FreuderLocks » Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:52 am

LowKey wrote:
FreuderLocks wrote: A local gunsmith also said he could do a can for around $250. Paying someone to get it done right, the first time, is higher on my list than trying myself. I'm fairly handy, but I'd rather leave it up to someone with the tools and experience. Cool idea though, I'd certainly entertain the idea at a later date.
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I hope he's got an 07FFL or else he (and you if you take him up on the offer) are looking at felony charges.
If you do a Form 1, you and you alone are the only person who can manufacture (make) the can. Period.
Someone can can stand along side of you to answer questions, make suggestions, and otherwise provide you knowledge but yours are the only hands that can do the work.
I wouldn't be considering it unless he was an 03/07 SOT, yes, he legally does this for a living.

We are a little OT here, i was asking about commercially available suppressors and what you all recommend. Not homebrew cans and why I should make one lol.

Anyone have other suggestions for a reasonably priced, user serviceable .30 cal can for an SBR and possibly a krink sbr as well?

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Post by Stercutus » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:11 pm

LowKey wrote:
Stercutus wrote:Isn't the wait time the same on a Form 1? I mean heck yeah, it is all kinds of cheaper but don't you still have to wait?
Yes, you still have the wait. I don't imagine the processing time is any faster on Form 1's than it is for Form 4's.
On the plus side though it's not only drastically less expensive, but you don't have to tie up the cost of a commercial can and have it sit in your dealers safe for months. Likewise you could also buy parts and materials one at a time as funds permit.

Keep in mind, there is no time frame in which you must start or complete your build after getting your Form 1 approved and the tax stamp issued.
You could get the can approved in Sep 2016 and not build your can until Sep 2050....perfectly legal.

Having built a can I can say that it's highly doubtful that I would ever buy a commercially made can. It's ridiculously easy to build one yourself that works like a charm, all at a fraction of the cost* of a commercially made can.



* About $240 for parts and hardware + $200 for the stamp= $440 for a .30 caliber 8 inch Titanium can w/SS baffles. Plus an afternoon at the workbench taking my sweet time and enjoying a beer.
That is way cheaper. I'd really like it if you would start a thread on that. :D
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Post by LowKey » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:09 am

Stercutus wrote:
That is way cheaper. I'd really like it if you would start a thread on that. :D
While I would love to do so I think such a thread would quickly get dragged off point and into areas verboten on ZS.

Seriously, if anyone wants to know how to go the Form 1 route just PM me.
Nothing hinky, nothing illegal, nothing dodgy, nothing shady about it.
Put another way, I have a security clearance I need to maintain in order to stay employed and I wouldn't endanger my livelihood just to save money on a can.
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Post by FreuderLocks » Thu Sep 15, 2016 7:58 am

OK, thanks for the info. Like I said, making one my self is something im interested in down the road.

I was looking at the sdn-6 , Saker 7.62, Omega, etc. Anybody have any other suggestions for a good all around rifle can?

Thanks again guys.
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Post by 91Eunozs » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:13 pm

SDN-6 works for me...it was my all-in-one can for awhile until other stamps started clearing. In retrospect, if I had to have just one, would go with a thead-on can with adapters like my Bowers 458, only a bit smaller.

Crux makes a really nice can with multiple adapters for everything up to 300 Win Mag but they're not cheap. Not outrageously expensive, but not cheap.

Get on the Silencer Shop site and look around, then give them a call. Very informative...they're local(ish) to me so I swing by every now and again to see what's new and try to learn something, but they have excellent customer service and happy to give you the pros/cons of anything they sell...and will point you towards something that works for you even if they don't carry it.
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Post by FreuderLocks » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:37 am

Thanks man.

The sdn-6 was also presented to me as an option by a friend. I'm quickly learning that there are few, if any, user serviceable cans for rifles on the market. I got introduced to someone at PhoenixWeaponry in longmont Colorado, they make a monocore, serviceable direct thread rifle can, but I may be leaning towards the Saker 762 , for many reasons, like the mounting options and versatility. There are very few serviceable cans on the market, are there any suggestions for good ones? Still mostly just looking for a food all around rifle can, need to put one on my lever gun.

I got a $2300 tax return, which is not helping my sense of urgency, at all lol.

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Edit: those Crux suppressors fall into the pretty expensive category at around $1500
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Post by FreuderLocks » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:19 am

There is a 7.62 Saker available at my shop, so I !right just pay for it today, barring any other suggestions. Its a bit high on price for what I want but I can save a little on it.

Again looking for an all around center-fire rifle can.

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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:42 am

That's a pricey can, but you won't go wrong. The Omega is quite a bit cheaper, but I can't think of anything wrong with the Saker.
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Post by RonnyRonin » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:24 pm

I would just like to say that the last time I tried to figure out which can was right for me I was shocked at how much more nebulous the can market is then other things.

I think proprietary mounting options make folks stick to one brand more the other items, and not so many folks have enough money to really play the field (not too hard to find reviewers who have owned most polymer framed handgun options for instance, harder to find people that have tired most of the big brands of suppressors it seems).

I gave up before I could really reach a consensus, I was mostly narrowing it down by weight and price but even then I couldn't find enough tangible differences between brands (or at least folks who could articulate them well enough). Probably roll my own eventually, but I remember the headache and convoluted spreadsheets when I was in the OPs shoes.
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Post by Black Beard » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:20 am

I think you could do worse than read both volumes of "Silencer History and Performance". Volume 1 contains more background information but volume 2 might be more relevant to you.

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Post by FreuderLocks » Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:00 am

RonnyRonin wrote:I would just like to say that the last time I tried to figure out which can was right for me I was shocked at how much more nebulous the can market is then other things.

I think proprietary mounting options make folks stick to one brand more the other items, and not so many folks have enough money to really play the field (not too hard to find reviewers who have owned most polymer framed handgun options for instance, harder to find people that have tired most of the big brands of suppressors it seems).

I gave up before I could really reach a consensus, I was mostly narrowing it down by weight and price but even then I couldn't find enough tangible differences between brands (or at least folks who could articulate them well enough). Probably roll my own eventually, but I remember the headache and convoluted spreadsheets when I was in the OPs shoes.
The most helpful so far. I can't agree more as to how little information about cans is actually provided, even by the big manufacturers. I'm leaning toward the Saker , has lots of mounting options, run of the mill price, lifetime warranty, good suppression, etc. At the same time, I might just deal with the noise as it will only go on my ar SBR, and some bolt guns, but I primarily use ak platform rifles, and won't be using cans on those much. I may just get a sparrow or surefire Ryder instead, as it has more use than a center-fire can would for me.

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Still strongly considering the Saker though.
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