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Yaesu FTM-400D

Post by NT2C » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:07 pm

I may be picking one of these up soon...

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Re: Yaesu FTM-400D

Post by crypto » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:24 pm

Universal doesnt have a price on that, how much?
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Re: Yaesu FTM-400D

Post by TacAir » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:05 am

Hummm

F1D and F2D is this D-STAR or comparable? No.

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F3E and F7W

Some background on the 'digital' used by this (and other Yaesu rigs).
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Collective grunts of frustration were heard around the world as information leaked out about the new Yaesu FT-1D — at least what information people were able to get from Yaesu representatives, which didn’t appear to be much.

The biggest question was what kind of digital protocol will this radio use? Will it be D-STAR? P25? MotoTRBO? Or worst case scenario, something entirely different that doesn’t talk with any of those existing radios?

The answer appears to be “something entirely different that doesn’t talk with any of those existing radios.”
Bob Witte K0NR sums it up nicely over at his blog:

The general reaction from the ham radio community is WTF, over? I don’t know why anyone would buy a radio to use with digital C4FM modulation. This digital mode is incompatible with D-STAR, DMR and APCO 25…the most common digital formats on the VHF/UHF ham bands.

It’s important to note that this radio is not in production and has not been approved for use by the FCC, so let’s hope that Yaesu gets it together and doesn’t put another fork in the road with their own proprietary digital standard. With the options that are out there already, I feel that Yaesu would be better served by real real competition by introducing a radio that uses an existing standard. Yaesu’s relative lack of success with the WIRES and WIRES II protocols comes to mind."


Ouch! Sounds like you'll have to purchase your own system to have anyone to talk to....
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Re: Yaesu FTM-400D

Post by crypto » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:14 am

TacAir wrote: The biggest question was what kind of digital protocol will this radio use? Will it be D-STAR? P25? MotoTRBO? Or worst case scenario, something entirely different that doesn’t talk with any of those existing radios?
Are there any P25 HT's that arent >$2,000 ?
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Re: Yaesu FTM-400D

Post by TacAir » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:39 am

crypto wrote:
TacAir wrote: The biggest question was what kind of digital protocol will this radio use? Will it be D-STAR? P25? MotoTRBO? Or worst case scenario, something entirely different that doesn’t talk with any of those existing radios?
Are there any P25 HT's that arent >$2,000 ?
ICOM, for about $1200
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For another, and in place digital radio schema see NXDN - narrow band digital network. These run 6.25 Khz digital and are supported by ICOM and KENWOOD.

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Re: Yaesu FTM-400D

Post by NT2C » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:50 am

crypto wrote:Universal doesnt have a price on that, how much?
Price hasn't been announced yet but I expect it'll be in the $800-900 range.

And, while it's true this is a new digital mode (new to amateurs, not to commercial) it does have a few advantages over D-Star. Of course, I'm not going to deny that Yaesu is well behind the curve here, and that the lack of infrastructure is going to really hurt them, but they might actually have a chance to gather some support for this mode if they offer good deals and innovative radios. For example, this radio allows you to plug in any USB style web camera and then send digital video. Right now I can't think of too many VHF/UHF rigs that can do that. Kenwood used to have an HT that could, with a special camera that was quite expensive, but that's the only one that springs to mind. Oh, and the Icom ID-1 allows for it, but that's 1.2gig and the camera is still pretty expensive.

I think that if I were Yaesu right now, trying to roll out this new mode, I'd just about be giving away repeaters, just to get the infrastructure in place and drive up demand for the rigs. I'll have to look into what repeater hardware they're offering...
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Re: Yaesu FTM-400D

Post by NT2C » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:52 am

crypto wrote:
TacAir wrote: The biggest question was what kind of digital protocol will this radio use? Will it be D-STAR? P25? MotoTRBO? Or worst case scenario, something entirely different that doesn’t talk with any of those existing radios?
Are there any P25 HT's that arent >$2,000 ?
Several of the Motorolas can be had used for well under that price. New, I have no idea.
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