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What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by Red Two » Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:55 pm

Hello Folks and Greetings!
I've spent about a week now lurking and reading posts and getting familiar with this site. I think that the basic Boy Scout motto of "Be Prepared" is pretty well supported here. I like the idea behind general preparedness. Having said that, I will outline what I think are not realistic things to prepare for and what are:

Not worth preparing for:

2012. Why? Cuz there is nothing to it and it's all bunk.
The Rapture. Why? Same reason. If your god of choice wants to end the world, there's not much you can do.
Armageddon Why? Same reason.
Mountain sized asteroid strike. Happens every couple millon years. Probably not in my lifetime. Not survivable anyway.
Aliens take over the world. Why? Pure bunk.
Nuclear War. Two types: A) All out. Not survivable. I live near Washington D.C. There won't be any Mad Max's or Thunderdomes left. The major cities will all be sheets of glass. Sorry guys. B) Some sort of limited sudden "dirty bomb", terrorist plot is much more conceivable. There are plenty of religious zealots out there who are well funded and well educated about this sorta thing. This one I can forsee and it rather scares me.

Worth preparing for:
I know from reading history that that the fall of civilization is nowhere close. Things have to get much worse than they are now for a little recession to encourage some sort of French Rebellion type of thing. Societies and populations are pretty stable and they can both put up with a lot before falling. I know sorta takes a lot of the wind out of a lot of people's sails, but that's the reality. Still, if you have the time, interest, energy, money and resources to prepare for this, then I say go for it.

I am more interested in prepping for those things that are probable and could immediately confront me, such as medical injuries, floods, hurricanes, long term power outages and the like. I think its good to have some level of skill and familiarity "just in case". I know some of us out there in the military have experience with real combat. I know there are mobile guns that can put a round completely through my house with out missing a beat. I am not trying to fortify against this kinda of threat. I am much more interested in protecting myself against the guy in street-learning self defense. I'm much more interested in making my house more burgular proof than assault proof. Having said that "Be Prepared" is one of those things we all do to the limit of our interest and skills. I do intend to start becoming more prepared, however.

This is a topic well discussed. I'm not adding anything new to the knowledge base. Just one guys opinion :)

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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by squinty » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:12 pm

Why isn't the dirty bomb worth prepping for? I would think bugging out of a contaminated area asap would be most peudent, the quicker the better.

Things worth prepping for:

Natural disasters large and small - AO specific, but tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, earthquakes, wildfires, etc. Prep for'em. Smaller disasters as well - have a plan and preps for your house catching on fire, home invaders, power outages and a tree falling on your roof. Prepping for the small stuff means you are ready for many of the incidentals you'll encounter during the bigger stuff.

Economic collapse - what if the currency goes belly up like in pre-WW2 Germany? What if their was a run on your bank, Wal-Mart couldn't stock toilet paper, and your homeowners insurance company went broke and couldn't pay claims? Do you have skills and stuffs to get by in a barter economy? The bare bones of a self sustaining existence if food gets expensive? Preps for the increased crime that scarcity will bring? (See how prepping for the small stuff would help? Hardening your home works to protect against burglars now, it would help vs. looters in some hypothetical SHTF to.)

Infrastructure collapse/industrial accident - power outage on a massive scale, dam bursts, local chemical plant goes Bhopal or local reactor goes Chernobyl on you, oil refinery nearby catches fire, train full of methyl ethyl yuck derails a few miles from your house, etc.

Scarcity of food, goods or services - I'm just old enough to remember the OPEC squeeze of the late seventies, the gas lines, the rationing. Dovetails nicely with economic collapse - but then, Japan just demonstrated that when one type of shit hits the fan, other types of shit start hitting the fan. One disaster dominoes up another.

Personal Disaster - maybe the world didn't go to hell, but it might as well have because your lost and your cars stuck in a rural snowbank, or the building your in is on fire and you can't find the exit, or you wound up in some other pickle. How do you cope? How do you prevent and prepare?
Assess your local risks. What around you could go to hell fastest and furthest? What could you do to survive it?
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by DarkAxel » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:47 pm

I use a tier system when it comes to planning out my preps.

Tier 1: The most likely to occur and most important to prep for: Localized disasters such as flooding, tornadoes, etc. (This will be specific to your area. I don't have to worry about Cat. 5 Hurricanes slamming into my hometown because I live way the hell away from the coast. Raptor, on the other hand, lives in NOLA and lived through Katrina). Personal disasters such as losing your job, a sudden death in the family, major hospitalization or injury, etc also fall into this tier. Disasters in this tier are small in scope, and may only affect you and your family.

Tier 2: Larger disasters like tornado outbreaks, widespread flooding, and other natural disasters that really destroy a large area close to you (Examples: The Mississippi flooding earlier this year, the tornado that slammed into Joplin, Missouri). also included in this tier is smaller financial disasters and recessions, mass layoffs, and Civil unrest/disturbance (rioting).

Tier 3: Really destructive natural disasters like Katrina, the 2005 Tsunami in the Indian Ocean, the 2011 Earthquake and tsunami in Japan. Also included: Economic Depressions, Chemical plant/railcar explosions, Nuclear disasters like Fukushima Daiichi, Breakdown of social order.

Tier 4: The fun stuff. Zombies, ELE asteroid strikes, Full-on Mad Max stuff, etc. Pornocalypse stuff (prep scenarios that get festishized by the unstable).

The idea is to concentrate your preps on the lower tiers (a large amount of those preps will come in handy if an upper tier disaster strikes).

Of course, if you are prepared for zombies, you are prepared for anything! :wink:
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by raptor » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:58 pm

I think you have completed the key to preparedness. Sitting down and doing a risk management assessment and deciding what risks you are likely to face. This allows you to determine how and where to spend your preparedness time and resources.

My only comment is that you should review these risks on an annual basis to determine if your exposure has changed.

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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by H. neanderthalensis » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:21 pm

Watts Riots 1965

LA Riots 1992 (the worst riot in US history)

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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by angelofwar » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:11 am

If you want to make your house more secure, or give yourself more of an edge, then look into installing your own security system. You buy the basic kit, and add what you need. You install it. You know how it works. You can adjust it, as needed. Add to it, take away from it, take it with you when you move. This will save you a lot of money compared to paying a wireless security from monitoring your house for even a few months. If some-one decides to break into your house with ill intent, the 20 minutes it takes the ADT guy, or even the police to get there, it will be WAY too late. Buy a console, some motion sensors, magnetic sensors for the window, even some simple black and white cameras conspicuously installed will help. In an real emergency (katrina/rights, etc.) some battery operated motion sensors will come in handy. Place them by your main entrances. know your house. Chances are the alarm will scare the intruder away, but, if they are after you, the alarm will give you 3-4 extra seconds to pull out a HD weapon or try to bug-out.
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by survivaljoe » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:23 am

H. neanderthalensis wrote:Watts Riots 1965

LA Riots 1992 (the worst riot in US history)
I don't think that is exactly true. Found this...
In 1921, America witnessed the worst example of racial violence in history. When a white female elevator operator claimed that a black man has sexually assaulted her in the elevator, violence broke out. The man fled the scene and a manhunt begun for his capture. This precipitated a riot that claimed the lives of hundreds of people. The rioting got so bad that the opposing sides of blacks and whites, many of whom were WWI veterans, began forming battle lines and digging trenches, waging a makeshift war against each other. Overall, 35 city blocks were destroyed by fire, leaving 10,000 homeless and causing estimates of 1.8 million (this would amount to 21 million in today's money) [/qoute]

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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by Red Two » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:43 am

Hi there Angelofwar! Thanks for the tips on the security system. Years ago I was employed as security systems installer. At that time, I didn't know enough to install from scratch any of the large commercial systems we worked on. I was the assistant to a much more knowledgeable tech. Of course now, 20 years later there are DIY kits out there that are pretty cheap. Having your own place (as I do) means you can use it as a test bed for: security systems, fiddling around with better doors and door locks, hardening the windows with some of that non-shatter plastic, etc etc. It is a great way to learn On The Job, or At The House, as it were. I think I will look into that. Do you happen to know, or could your recommend one DIY system over another? It's been 20 years since I've fiddled around with them....

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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by Kutter_0311 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:45 am

In my AO, we have winter, tornado season, and road construction, all with their own perils...

Winter: Arctic conditions, punctuated by nice days, just to keep you off guard. Only a fool bugs out this time of year. Get the heater serviced beforehand, stock plenty of food, water, and blankets. I live in issued gore-tex, with whatever needed insulation under it. My snow shovel may be closer at hand than my weapon :lol:

Tornado Season: Enough preps stay in the basement that we'd be OK if the rest of the house blew away. Not great, but OK. Windows stay open so we can hear sirens. Whole family is ready to dive into the basement at the drop of a hat.

Road Construction: Major detours appear randomly. Allow an extra half hour to get to the grocery store 6 blocks away. Power and water are the least stable this season, as digging may sever anything with no warning. Driving at night is more dangerous, as there are big fucking holes in the road. Small bumps may be marked, yet chasms that can swallow our whole van may not be.

Football: An annoying add-on, one stays well away from the stadium area the whole day of a home game. Don't plan on using the highway, either. Police and EMS services will be busy at the game, or swamped with domestic abuse calls afterward if the home team loses. If you need help, report a fire(the firefighters are available), or wait till tommorrow.
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by Red Two » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:16 am

Hi Kutter-

I had not actually thought of the increased number of domestic abuse calls to EMS following the loss of a home game. From a sad (and true) perspective, it does make sense. A friend of mine is a DV-domestic violence counselor and probably does deal with this more often than I know. Living in the D.C. area, I've been to exactly ONE "on the mall" fireworks display. The resulting road trip home was a nightmare. The Metro system held up fairly well, but I can see where trying to "Metro it" to safety would be a no go in any sort mass evac situation. It looks like the various transit systems might be OK for "heavy traffic" but they are not designed for any sort of sudden mass evacuation, that much is clear.
Luckily the D.C. area is pretty safe from tornado and hurricanes seasons, but yeah-the idea of planning for the unexpected surely rings clear.
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by H. neanderthalensis » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:26 am

survivaljoe wrote:
H. neanderthalensis wrote:Watts Riots 1965

LA Riots 1992 (the worst riot in US history)
I don't think that is exactly true. Found this...
In 1921, America witnessed the worst example of racial violence in history. When a white female elevator operator claimed that a black man has sexually assaulted her in the elevator, violence broke out. The man fled the scene and a manhunt begun for his capture. This precipitated a riot that claimed the lives of hundreds of people. The rioting got so bad that the opposing sides of blacks and whites, many of whom were WWI veterans, began forming battle lines and digging trenches, waging a makeshift war against each other. Overall, 35 city blocks were destroyed by fire, leaving 10,000 homeless and causing estimates of 1.8 million (this would amount to 21 million in today's money) [/qoute]

Sorry for the derail.

The Tulsa Riot. It was bad, but the hundreds of deaths have never been verified and have largely been attributed to public hysteria and sensationalized rumor. Officially the death toll was under 40 with the riot lasting two days.

The LA riots of 1992 was far worse. Over 50 reported deaths with thousands reported injuried and the damage to property covered several square miles. The total loss was estimated at over 1 billion dollars. The riots lasted for 6 long days and fires went unchecked for days causing most of the destruction. It truly looked like the end of the world. The sky was black with smoke and everything was eerily silent; no cars in the streets or on the freeways, no police anywhere to be seen. Every shop was closed; you couldn't get groceries. It is agreed across the board by historians and academics alike across the country that the 1992 LA riot was the worst ever in US history. It's just a matter of numbers. Do some research and find out for yourself.

Also, forgot to mention the Zoot Suit Riots during the 1940's. I don't know the exact date it occured. My beloved city of Los Angeles seems to have a problem with rioting. We also have a long history of police corruption, too. Go Lakers!!!
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by Kutter_0311 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:38 am

I can't speak to other areas, but but my LE instructors have made it clear that, in the Green Bay area, DVO's (Domestic Violence Offenses) spike pretty noticably any time the Packers lose. The magnitude worsens with more important games(playoffs, superbowl).

And yet, I'm glad I don't live in LA...
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by DarkAxel » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:22 am

H. neanderthalensis wrote:
survivaljoe wrote:
H. neanderthalensis wrote:Watts Riots 1965

LA Riots 1992 (the worst riot in US history)
I don't think that is exactly true. Found this...
In 1921, America witnessed the worst example of racial violence in history. When a white female elevator operator claimed that a black man has sexually assaulted her in the elevator, violence broke out. The man fled the scene and a manhunt begun for his capture. This precipitated a riot that claimed the lives of hundreds of people. The rioting got so bad that the opposing sides of blacks and whites, many of whom were WWI veterans, began forming battle lines and digging trenches, waging a makeshift war against each other. Overall, 35 city blocks were destroyed by fire, leaving 10,000 homeless and causing estimates of 1.8 million (this would amount to 21 million in today's money) [/qoute]

Sorry for the derail.

The Tulsa Riot. It was bad, but the hundreds of deaths have never been verified and have largely been attributed to public hysteria and sensationalized rumor. Officially the death toll was under 40 with the riot lasting two days.

The LA riots of 1992 was far worse. Over 50 reported deaths with thousands reported injuried and the damage to property covered several square miles. The total loss was estimated at over 1 billion dollars. The riots lasted for 6 long days and fires went unchecked for days causing most of the destruction. It truly looked like the end of the world. The sky was black with smoke and everything was eerily silent; no cars in the streets or on the freeways, no police anywhere to be seen. Every shop was closed; you couldn't get groceries. It is agreed across the board by historians and academics alike across the country that the 1992 LA riot was the worst ever in US history. It's just a matter of numbers. Do some research and find out for yourself.

Also, forgot to mention the Zoot Suit Riots during the 1940's. I don't know the exact date it occured. My beloved city of Los Angeles seems to have a problem with rioting. We also have a long history of police corruption, too. Go Lakers!!!
I would say that the New York Draft Riots during the Civil war were the worst in this country's history, but this is getting off topic.

But yeah, if you live or work in an area that seems to be prone to rioting and civil disturbance, then prepping for such occurrences should be a priority. One of our mods, Ninja Elbow, works really close to the Occupy PDX camp. I imagine he's thought about what to do if the protest erupts into violence.
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by goblin » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:55 am

Keep It Simple - 30 days of essentials (rotatable) first... then more expensive stuff as you can. Don't go nuts or run yourself into the poorhouse for crap you'll never use. :)
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by hard2kill » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:56 am

Jesus, take all the fun out of prepping. Personally I'm of the mind set that if you simply prep for TEOTWAWKI, you have covered your ass for almost anything that may happen. Welcome to the forum :D
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by kbilly84 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:34 am

Kutter_0311 wrote:In my AO, we have winter, tornado season, and road construction, all with their own perils...

Winter: Arctic conditions, punctuated by nice days, just to keep you off guard. Only a fool bugs out this time of year. Get the heater serviced beforehand, stock plenty of food, water, and blankets. I live in issued gore-tex, with whatever needed insulation under it. My snow shovel may be closer at hand than my weapon :lol:

Tornado Season: Enough preps stay in the basement that we'd be OK if the rest of the house blew away. Not great, but OK. Windows stay open so we can hear sirens. Whole family is ready to dive into the basement at the drop of a hat.

Road Construction: Major detours appear randomly. Allow an extra half hour to get to the grocery store 6 blocks away. Power and water are the least stable this season, as digging may sever anything with no warning. Driving at night is more dangerous, as there are big fucking holes in the road. Small bumps may be marked, yet chasms that can swallow our whole van may not be.

Football: An annoying add-on, one stays well away from the stadium area the whole day of a home game. Don't plan on using the highway, either. Police and EMS services will be busy at the game, or swamped with domestic abuse calls afterward if the home team loses. If you need help, report a fire(the firefighters are available), or wait till tommorrow.
This is all equally true here in Minnesota. Except the violence after a football loss. Everyone in MN expects the Vikings to lose anyway: rioting picks up more if they WIN :lol: Shit, if hell froze over, and they played in (let alone won) the Superbowl, I'm bugging out a week in advance. And not returning till well into March. North and west of my AO has been hit pretty hard by tornadoes the last couple years, but I've been lucky thus far. That's about my biggest BUG OUT prepping priority.
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by Dash » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:54 am

I am preparing for society breaking down. Now it doesn't really matter HOW it breaks down, but when/if it does, I don't wanna be left holding the short stick.
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by phil_in_cs » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:01 am

Dash wrote:I am preparing for society breaking down. Now it doesn't really matter HOW it breaks down, but when/if it does, I don't wanna be left holding the short stick.
This. I worry about an ongoing slow down, failure to recover, and gradual increase in criminal violence. Other issues can easily fall under this topic. As raptor pointed out earlier, the great thing is to look at the situation realistically and make plans. An annual review is good to make sure you are staying on track.

It is way more likely to lose your job and not be able to find new work than to have a civil war to hide from.
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by angelofwar » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:01 am

Your welcome Red Two. I bought the Radio Shack kit for on sale for around $100. What I liked about it, was that you could expand/add to it as needed. It came with two motion sensors, two window sensors, a key remote, and a control panel. I bought a 2nd remote and a 3rd motion sensor. Nothing like the $1000 dollar systems the military uses, but, for a simple home system that works, it does the job rather well. Another plus to this system, was that I'm able to program the control panel to call around 10 seprate phone numbers, based on which alarms are tripped, etc., plus, and this was a big one for me, was the control panel took AA's so that it would still work in the event of short power outages (48 hrs. IIRC).

Here's a few I found that are do-it yourself, with-out monitoring fee's, etc. This will pay for itself in 3-4 months of something like an ADT system.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... nSession=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;[/url]

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... nSession=1

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... nSession=1

Again, you could set it to call a trusting neighbor, or near-by family members when you're out of town, etc. Endless possibilities, really.

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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by Red Two » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:13 pm

Hi there Angelofwar-
Thanks for the links re: the home security systems. I coulda done the Google search myself, but IMHO, nothing beats a first hand recommendation. About 20 years ago, when I was in the field, I *seem* to remember an 800 dollar kit sold at Home Depot of all places. It had an expansion panel, 2 cheapie black and white camera, included the coxial cable, some motion sensors and a bunch of other stuff. I remembered thinking, if I had a spare 800 dollars, I could buy this kit and go into business my DAMN self, putting them in all the neighborhood homes.

One humorous event happened that I like to tell folks about: During that time the local Red Cross supply depot was having a heck of a time with rampant theft. Bandages, water supplies, drugs, whatever they happened to be stealing. Anyway me and some of the more experienced techs were asked to go in there for two days and ACT like we were putting in a super high tech security system. We were instructed to visit every floor, talk loud, run our coax cables down the halls, across the tops of the cubicles, leave ladders in the middle of hallways for visibility (yes, the irony did strike us that even in the Red Cross, this was unsafe). We used two radios set to loud to "communicate", ask questions, call others for parts and so forth. We did put up a lot of fakie black domes in the drop ceilings, but they had no cameras in them. This was fun role playing the obnoxious and loud construction worker, which I was. HOWEVER, in the days to follow our "security installation" we got a call from the customer saying that the theft had dropped to Zero practically overnight. Apparently word spread very quickly throuought the whole building of what we were doing! This I call a win/win situation. :lol:

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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by DementedDigital » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:18 pm

angelofwar wrote:If you want to make your house more secure, or give yourself more of an edge, then look into installing your own security system. You buy the basic kit, and add what you need. You install it. You know how it works. You can adjust it, as needed. Add to it, take away from it, take it with you when you move. This will save you a lot of money compared to paying a wireless security from monitoring your house for even a few months. If some-one decides to break into your house with ill intent, the 20 minutes it takes the ADT guy, or even the police to get there, it will be WAY too late. Buy a console, some motion sensors, magnetic sensors for the window, even some simple black and white cameras conspicuously installed will help. In an real emergency (katrina/rights, etc.) some battery operated motion sensors will come in handy. Place them by your main entrances. know your house. Chances are the alarm will scare the intruder away, but, if they are after you, the alarm will give you 3-4 extra seconds to pull out a HD weapon or try to bug-out.
Agreed! My system calls my cell phone, it tells me what zone was violated by name (like "front glass break sensor"), and I can listen-in. I can then decide if it's a false alarm or if I want to call the police. In addition to that, I could have it monitored by a professional service, but I find that this gives me what I want.

It also monitors smoke and heat detectors and controls lights and the thermostat, so when I arm the system it sets back the thermostat and will turn on and off lights when it's dark (to make it look like someone is home). I can dial in by phone and control any aspect of the system.

It's more of a hobby than anything, but the peace of mind is great.

Of course, this wouldn't be the first thing that I'd do if I were first starting out. I'd first eliminate debt, build up a cash reserve, store basic preps (food, water, medical supplies, ammo, etc.).

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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by DementedDigital » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:41 pm

H. neanderthalensis wrote:Watts Riots 1965
LA Riots 1992 (the worst riot in US history)
The LA riot was bad, for sure. Detroit also had a bad one back in 1967. The 82nd Airborne deployed to help control it.

From the link below, "At the conclusion of 5 days of rioting, 43 people lay dead, 1189 injured and over 7000 people had been arrested."
http://www.67riots.rutgers.edu/d_index.htm

Ahhh. The lovable Motor City - where the weak are killed and eaten.

I think that the moral of the story here is to GTFO at the first sign of unrest. I'm now lucky enough to live in an area where the rioting would stop at 4PM for the early bird special, and the worst that might happen would be that I'd get hit by a flying bottle of Geritol. I say that in jest, of course. I actually like the older population here. A friend of mine who was in the infantry in WWII just died. His was truly a great generation, but I digress...

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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by survivaljoe » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:52 pm

Agreed. In any event that battle lines and trenches are being dug, and the US military is being deployed, it is definitely time to bug the fuck out.

On the other hand, what all of these riots have shown us, IMO, is not only how violent people can become, but also the speed at which the violence can start and spread. If you live in a major metropolitan area, such as LA, you might have to prepare for the real possibility of not only rioting, but that you might be caught IN the actual rioting itself.

Plan accordingly.

Edit: In my experience of living in LA during the 92 riot, everyone I knew sort of had the feeling that if the officers were found not guilty riots would ensue. It seemed like the entire city was on edge (same thing before the OJ verdict was read, lots of tension and rumors of rioting). So there was, to me at least, a vague warning. In the Tulsa riots I mentioned earlier, it seems that as soon as the news spread people were taken to violence.
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Re: What I am realistically preparing for:

Post by Red Two » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:18 pm

Greetings Survivialjoe!

As I sit here listening to the rain come down, keeping dry and warm, I've been monitoring and responding to the posts, mainly to try to get up to speed/become aware of possible situations/develep responses that could happen. I agree with you on the battle lines. Time to get out of Dodge. Wars are no place for civillians. Thats why we have armies. I am gonna make a blanket statement here at this point and say that NO CIVILIAN, AT ANY TIME, FOR ANY REASON is prepared to do battle in a war zone. Here is my take on the matter: Joe Civilian has spent 20 thousand dollars on his ultra cool BOV. It has all the bells and whistles a civilian can install on it. It gets in the way of a 60 ton tank, who doesn't care about your fancy 33 inch, auto inflate wheels, your BOB, your stash of guns, or your plan for survival. The 60 ton tank (or insert large military vehicle of your choice) runs plumb over you. Now you and your whole family, cool BOV and BOB are all 5 inches tall.

Same story with your "hardened" house/fort/castle. A guy in a military vehicle presses a trigger, launches a (insert your choice of military ordinance here) round into your 459,000 dollar fortress and you go into business the next day selling toothpicks, cuz that's all your left with.

I am under no illusions here. Yeah, these are acceptible bug out scenarious, no matter now unlikely. Civilian riots on the other hand-much more probable and spontaneous. So, I think you for bringing that point up.
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