Pandemic Preparations - Updated for Ebola.

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Re: Pandemic Preparations

Post by atod » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:41 am

Gingerbread Man wrote:Cool, yeah I really don't need a NBC suit because well, anyone starts tossing that stuff around the future will be very bleak. Entire armies are taken out of the fight just to deal with the clean up and de-con, I doubt I could tackle that. And really, I'm not that concerned about nuclear and chemical threats.

However, serious illness that are easily passed do give me the heebie jeebies. I have the gloves, googles and masks. I have hoods too.

Anyway, I have always believed in discretion and not going full on milspec stuff.

Thanks, I'll look into the rain suits. I had not consider that but a rubber impermeable layer should be more than sufficent. If need be I could probably seal it up a little more with some duct tape.

What do you think?
I considered NBC suits and preparing for a biological disaster, however after research and discussion on forums it appears there is low likelihood these suits will do any good by themselves. Proper procedure requires decontaminating the NBC suit before removing it. If it was a biological attack there may be germs/virus all over the suit. It's my understanding this decontamination requires a special truck with more equipment. I was also told that the military may have only planned for the soldier to complete their objective alive.

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Re: Pandemic Preparations

Post by NamelessStain » Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:42 am

atod wrote:
Gingerbread Man wrote:Cool, yeah I really don't need a NBC suit because well, anyone starts tossing that stuff around the future will be very bleak. Entire armies are taken out of the fight just to deal with the clean up and de-con, I doubt I could tackle that. And really, I'm not that concerned about nuclear and chemical threats.

However, serious illness that are easily passed do give me the heebie jeebies. I have the gloves, googles and masks. I have hoods too.

Anyway, I have always believed in discretion and not going full on milspec stuff.

Thanks, I'll look into the rain suits. I had not consider that but a rubber impermeable layer should be more than sufficent. If need be I could probably seal it up a little more with some duct tape.

What do you think?
I considered NBC suits and preparing for a biological disaster, however after research and discussion on forums it appears there is low likelihood these suits will do any good by themselves. Proper procedure requires decontaminating the NBC suit before removing it. If it was a biological attack there may be germs/virus all over the suit. It's my understanding this decontamination requires a special truck with more equipment. I was also told that the military may have only planned for the soldier to complete their objective alive.
Read more of this thread. There's ways to decon without a truck
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Re: Pandemic Preparations

Post by Mikeyboy » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:38 am

NamelessStain wrote:
atod wrote:
Gingerbread Man wrote:Cool, yeah I really don't need a NBC suit because well, anyone starts tossing that stuff around the future will be very bleak. Entire armies are taken out of the fight just to deal with the clean up and de-con, I doubt I could tackle that. And really, I'm not that concerned about nuclear and chemical threats.

However, serious illness that are easily passed do give me the heebie jeebies. I have the gloves, googles and masks. I have hoods too.

Anyway, I have always believed in discretion and not going full on milspec stuff.

Thanks, I'll look into the rain suits. I had not consider that but a rubber impermeable layer should be more than sufficent. If need be I could probably seal it up a little more with some duct tape.

What do you think?
I considered NBC suits and preparing for a biological disaster, however after research and discussion on forums it appears there is low likelihood these suits will do any good by themselves. Proper procedure requires decontaminating the NBC suit before removing it. If it was a biological attack there may be germs/virus all over the suit. It's my understanding this decontamination requires a special truck with more equipment. I was also told that the military may have only planned for the soldier to complete their objective alive.
Read more of this thread. There's ways to decon without a truck
+1 Even in crappy conditions, there are plenty of decontamination for the majority of health care workers that did not involve a US military NBC trucks. Most was done with a simple pressure sprayer and Bleach.

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Re: Pandemic Preparations

Post by duodecima » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:03 am

Mikeyboy wrote:
NamelessStain wrote:
atod wrote:
Gingerbread Man wrote:Cool, yeah I really don't need a NBC suit because well, anyone starts tossing that stuff around the future will be very bleak. Entire armies are taken out of the fight just to deal with the clean up and de-con, I doubt I could tackle that. And really, I'm not that concerned about nuclear and chemical threats.

However, serious illness that are easily passed do give me the heebie jeebies. I have the gloves, googles and masks. I have hoods too.

Anyway, I have always believed in discretion and not going full on milspec stuff.

Thanks, I'll look into the rain suits. I had not consider that but a rubber impermeable layer should be more than sufficent. If need be I could probably seal it up a little more with some duct tape.

What do you think?
I considered NBC suits and preparing for a biological disaster, however after research and discussion on forums it appears there is low likelihood these suits will do any good by themselves. Proper procedure requires decontaminating the NBC suit before removing it. If it was a biological attack there may be germs/virus all over the suit. It's my understanding this decontamination requires a special truck with more equipment. I was also told that the military may have only planned for the soldier to complete their objective alive.
Read more of this thread. There's ways to decon without a truck
+1 Even in crappy conditions, there are plenty of decontamination for the majority of health care workers that did not involve a US military NBC trucks. Most was done with a simple pressure sprayer and Bleach.
QFT. And they're using the sprayed bleach in part because they're reusing the coveralls and apron - in a US hospital setting (or in a one-time exposure where you could afford to burn your raingear), we step in the bleach buckets on our way out but there's no spraying of bleach water. The apron is very disoposable, not like that one, and the tyvek goes in the biohazard trash. The rest of it's pretty much the same tho. It's not technilogically complicated, it just requires a LOT of practice because you have to get it right every single time including the first.
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Re: Pandemic Preparations - Updated for Ebola.

Post by duodecima » Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:25 am

Neat little graphic about why some diseases are considered droplet-spread and others (like Ebola) aren't, even tho you still shouldn't let the sick people sneeze right on you. Distance protects you well from Ebola. Measles, (and flu!) not so much, unfortunately.

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Re: Pandemic Preparations - Updated for Ebola.

Post by duodecima » Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:49 am

Just ran across this CDC website with resources/directions for how to investigate an "Unknown Respiratory Disease Outbreak." - because at first you don't know what you've got, sometimes, you just know there's something going around. (Good early public health and epidemiology can really save lives...)

http://www.cdc.gov/urdo/
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Re: Pandemic Preparations - Updated for Ebola.

Post by raptor » Thu May 28, 2015 3:24 pm

An interesting article on Bill Gates opinion of pandemic probabilities.

"I rate the chance of a nuclear war within my lifetime as being fairly low," says Gates. "I rate the chance of a widespread epidemic, far worse than Ebola, in my lifetime, as well over 50%."



http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gat ... z3bT0f1zXy

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Re: Pandemic Preparations - Updated for Ebola.

Post by raistlin » Fri May 29, 2015 2:06 am

raptor wrote:An interesting article on Bill Gates opinion of pandemic probabilities.

"I rate the chance of a nuclear war within my lifetime as being fairly low," says Gates. "I rate the chance of a widespread epidemic, far worse than Ebola, in my lifetime, as well over 50%."



http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gat ... z3bT0f1zXy
Good. At least there is one popular figure speaking out on the risk of pandemic. The Gates Foundation has been very active in fighting AIDS, so I'm sure he'll have an informed opinion should the press pursue him on this.

50% chance in his lifetime. That's a scary prediction.
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Re: Pandemic Preparations - Updated for Ebola.

Post by raptor » Mon Dec 07, 2015 6:01 pm

With Flu season starting I thought I would give this thread a free bump.

A link to the CDC influenza map.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/usmap.htm

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Re: Pandemic Preparations - Updated for Ebola.

Post by zombiepreparation » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:31 pm

Hey, thanks!

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Re: Pandemic Preparations - Updated for Ebola.

Post by raptor » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:20 am

With flu season upon us this is both an update and a free bump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to- ... 722e55e244

http://blogs.worldbank.org/health/pande ... ver-happen


For what little bit it is worth IMO influenza is a constant human companion and in crowded cities is a perfect vector for a health disaster. This IMO is a risk worth considering in your preparations.

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