1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by Rock2Fox » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:39 am

nacho wrote:Ditch the nozzles / funnels get a Super Siphon.

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This product is the bomb. I bought two off of amazon about 6 months ago for moving water out of 55 gallon drums w/out having to work the hand pump. This weekend I was fucking around w/ jerry cans spilling gas all over my feet, and I says to myself, "Self, why don't you use that extra siphon for the fuel."

Great idea, I just put the jerry can up on my truck tool box, rattled the siphon for a second and 5 gallons was in my truck's fuel tank in less than 2 minutes.
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by Tperkins » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:54 am

Little question to add here:

Does anyone know where you can get the 5 gallon scepter military fuel cans? All the places i find have them listed as restricted items for Military only. They sell the Scepter military water cans but obviously water can + fuel = Bad idea.

I plan to get two of those 5 gallon plastic military water cans and two 5 gallon fuel cans (preferably the Mil-Spec Scepter ones) within the next year for my BOV/DD
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by XtraBright » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:10 pm

Jackrabbit wrote:Being one of my other hobbies is working on cars, I have routinely left cars sit for years with fuel in the while I work on this or that. They have always started without any sort of prep.

One car was left outside in the driveway for about a year, and the tank took on some water. It was a Jag with the goofy top mounted fill tube. I did need to bleed off some gas (water sinks in gas) but then it was fine and started right up.
We also have a WWII Jeep that sat for about 8 years and started after a battery charge.

I've never used gas stabilizers and don't ever plan too.
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These are also my experiences.

For diesel, i have an antique tractor (it was bought to be a restauration object but time really flew..) that i use very rarely, twice a year for an hour.

It is still running on the same diesel that i filled in a decade ago, almost the same could be said for my old Millenia (i would like to make an Oldtimer out of it in .. 20 years or so) that is running every few months for a few kilometers on fuel that is 5 years old.

I think, as long you don´t push the engine to it´s limits (internal parts lubrication, heat ..) old fuel is not a problem.
Maybe stock up on some filtering tools, fuel filters for the engine.
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by nacho » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:14 pm

So I just rotated some of my gas I have stored at home, I filled up the cans in December 08, with Valero 87 octane, no stabilizers, no additives, just the gas. One is in a traditional 5 gallon Blitz can with a new seal, the other in a 20L Nato can.

The car I experimented with is my 1999 Honda Civic, since it was almost out of gas (a little over a gallon), compared to my Jeep that had 3/4 of a tank. I put both cans, aprox 10 gallons into the 12 gallon tank. I drove to my buddies house that is about 12 miles away, then drive to and from work twice, about 50 round trip each way. Usually when I rotate I try to add a can of old gas to a 1/2 full tank, to dilute the "bad" gas. This time I just decided to go for broke and use 90% old gas.

120 miles later the car runs fine, the only issue I can see is that the gas doesn't seem to get as good of MPG as fresh Valero, Chevron, or Unocal gas, but it burns. The old gas kinda reminds me of Arco gas, which is why I only use Arco in a pinch.
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by sjshack » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:43 pm

I'll be doing my annual rotation next month. I always do it in mid January because gas is usually cheapest around then. I've been storing a 50gal drum since I almost got stranded after Katrina because I couldn't find anywhere to fill up.
To rotate I'll fill up from storage one week, then when I'd normally get gas again at 1/2 tank (I never let it get below half empty anymore) I'll fill two 5 gal blitz cans at the station and fill the car from storage again. Then the same thing for the next 2 weeks. Then I'll fill the drum back up with the new gas in the Blitz cans and add Stabil. This way I rotate over half the gas with new winter gas which is supposed to last better than summer blend. About July, I bring the drum out of storage and vent it to relieve pressure. I don't know how necessary that is, but I don't want the drum to pop a bung.
If it looks like something like zombies, ice storm, hurricane, oil price jump, etc. may be coming that could interrupt my ability to get gas I'll fill the Blitz cans up and use them first. By doing this I've been able to ride out price spikes in gas the last couple years. When everyone around me was paying over $4/gal last year I was burning $2.30 gas until the price dropped below $3 again. When I start rotating this time I'll be burning $1.85 gas even after the cost of the Stabil is added.
I also always keep an MSR camp fuel bottle of stabilized gas in my car. 30 oz seems to be enough to go about 10 miles before I'm sputtering on fumes again. I rotate that every year too.
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by nyiangelo » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:59 pm

Rock2Fox wrote:
nacho wrote:Ditch the nozzles / funnels get a Super Siphon.

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This product is the bomb. I bought two off of amazon about 6 months ago for moving water out of 55 gallon drums w/out having to work the hand pump. This weekend I was fucking around w/ jerry cans spilling gas all over my feet, and I says to myself, "Self, why don't you use that extra siphon for the fuel."

Great idea, I just put the jerry can up on my truck tool box, rattled the siphon for a second and 5 gallons was in my truck's fuel tank in less than 2 minutes.


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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by Neville » Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:19 pm

It's that time of year again folks.

I just rotated out some of my supply, paid only 2.91 per gallon. Probably going to rotate more this coming weekend if the price stays this low.

Remember, treat it with Sta-Bil or Pri-G at the time of storage to extend storage life.

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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by Barnabus » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:41 pm

I rotate mine every 4-5 months.
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by Paladin1 » Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:15 pm

I typically keep 20gal. on hand, but especially during the winter I make sure I bump it up to 25-30gal. to run the generator if needed.

One thing that I'm in the habit of is I use the stored fuel on a regular basis to top off the BOV. I never use stabil or have to keep track of how old it is that way.

If you're sitting on 1yr old fuel, THEN the zombies bust loose you could using using the older fuel for even longer than you intended with perhaps some issues of engines not running well or being efficient.

I'm of the opinion that fuel is useable long past a year, but by rotating it on a regular basis it's just not an issue.
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by raptor » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:43 pm

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I'm of the opinion that fuel is useable long past a year, but by rotating it on a regular basis it's just not an issue.

I have to second this sentiment. I store only 20 gallons (30 during hurricane season) of gasoline and rotate 10 gallons the first weekend of every month. It is no big deal just dump it in the car and drive the empty cans to the gas station and top off the car and cans.

My gasoline is rarely older than 90 days using this method. I do not even stabil in these cans.

Now diesel for my generator is whole other story and it does require stabil and I rotate this fuel annually in May. Some folks here sweat blizzards but hurricanes are my key power risk.

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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by Neville » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:30 pm

I store about 100 gallons in 5 gallon containers. It is infeasible for me to rotate all 100 gallons at once, so I do it incrementally.

I usually rotate a couple of containers every quarter. If it's a price dip (such as now) I may go 4 containers if I have room in the vehicle tanks.

We use Sta-bil because for whatever reason our rotation cycle may be delayed... such as being broke, gas price being high or just not being able to get to it.

We have never had a problem using this system. None of the fuel is ever more than 2.5 years old and most of it is 18 months or under.

If you have a hundred gallon tank you can drain and fill whenever you like, super... but how are you going to move it if you have to relocate in a hurry - such as a bug out scenario?

Our fuel is in 5 gallon containers so my wife can load/unload it from the trucks. I try to plan all our prep tasks so that either one of us can accomplish the task unassisted.

Sure I could probably do that rotation every month - I just don't see the need to triple my chore load in that area, I've got too much else to do. And it has worked perfectly for us so far, so I"m thinking if it ain't broke don't fix it.

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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by cyruspace » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:58 am

Scanned the entire thread

Am I missing something?

Why would you store gas for an extended period of time?
You always use the older gas first
No need to buy stabilizer which saves money and you can monitor your storage cans because you are using them.
Unless you are storing a lot of gas and then you can't get through your rotation fast enough, but how many are looking to do that?

Simple storage system is to never let your car tank dip below half empty or three quarters empty.

Notice the government does not have a strategic gas reserve? It's hard to store long term.

If you buy gas when it's cheap and then buy and add stabilizer to store it, you have lost your savings.

For most people they should probably not buy more gasoline then they would use considering the shelf life of gas.
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by raptor » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:27 pm

cyruspace wrote:Scanned the entire thread

Am I missing something?

Why would you store gas for an extended period of time?
You always use the older gas first
No need to buy stabilizer which saves money and you can monitor your storage cans because you are using them.
Unless you are storing a lot of gas and then you can't get through your rotation fast enough, but how many are looking to do that?
Different people have different needs. There are many reasons to stock gasoline. For instance a generator; it uses a lot of fuel and without fuel on hand, is useless.

Another reason is a bug out. A BOL may more than one tank of gas away. For instance my BOL is slightly more than an hour away...except during a hurricane evacuation when if I do not leave early it can take 12+ hours in bumper to bumper traffic to get there.

In my case my generator uses copious amounts of diesel so if I want to be able to operate it I have to have a lot of diesel on hand.

So there are many reasons to have a stock pile of fuel.

From a safety standpoint I personally try to minimize gasoline storage. I also refuel at half a tank. That is why I keep 20 gallons. I assume two cars at half a tank each will need 10 gallons each to get to a full tank. The extra 10 gallons in hurricane season is to give each car 5 gallons of extra gas in case we stuck in contraflow traffic.

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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by cyruspace » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:32 pm

raptor wrote:
cyruspace wrote:Scanned the entire thread

Am I missing something?

Why would you store gas for an extended period of time?
You always use the older gas first
No need to buy stabilizer which saves money and you can monitor your storage cans because you are using them.
Unless you are storing a lot of gas and then you can't get through your rotation fast enough, but how many are looking to do that?
Different people have different needs. There are many reasons to stock gasoline. For instance a generator; it uses a lot of fuel and without fuel on hand, is useless.

Another reason is a bug out. A BOL may more than one tank of gas away. For instance my BOL is slightly more than an hour away...except during a hurricane evacuation when if I do not leave early it can take 12+ hours in bumper to bumper traffic to get there.

In my case my generator uses copious amounts of diesel so if I want to be able to operate it I have to have a lot of diesel on hand.

So there are many reasons to have a stock pile of fuel.

From a safety standpoint I personally try to minimize gasoline storage. I also refuel at half a tank. That is why I keep 20 gallons. I assume two cars at half a tank each will need 10 gallons each to get to a full tank. The extra 10 gallons in hurricane season is to give each car 5 gallons of extra gas in case we stuck in contraflow traffic.
I figured
Given your bug out needs you would still just use the old gas first. Why let any fuel deteriorate?

Your post made me think of something.
If you have a diesel vehicle then have a diesel generator so they use the same fuel?
If you have a gas vehicle then have a gas generator so they use the same fuel?
This would make fuel storage and rotation so much easier.
In a crisis you could decide fuel for vehicle or generator.

If you take preps seriously I believe it's always choose diesel
I believe diesel is safer to store then gas
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by raptor » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:14 pm

cyruspace wrote:
I figured
Given your bug out needs you would still just use the old gas first. Why let any fuel deteriorate?

Your post made me think of something.
If you have a diesel vehicle then have a diesel generator so they use the same fuel?
If you have a gas vehicle then have a gas generator so they use the same fuel?
This would make fuel storage and rotation so much easier.
In a crisis you could decide fuel for vehicle or generator.

If you take preps seriously I believe it's always choose diesel
I believe diesel is safer to store then gas
Personally I do rotate the gasoline and avoid using stabil in that.

Diesel is IMO a much better fuel for preppers. It is safer to store and a bit more stable. #2 heating oil is also #2 diesel so you can use it in a generator or a car. The key problem with doing that though is that #2 heating oil/Off road diesel is dyed for tax purposes. This is why road use diesel (clear) is so much more expensive than heating oil and off road diesel. The road use tax is typically adding $.44/gallon +/-. However chemically it is no different.

Choosing a fuel for a generator is a thread in and of itself. The decision about fuel is IMO a really critical and important decision to make. Commonality of fuel for on road vehicles should be one factor when choosing a fuel.

I have both a diesel and natural gas generator, but no land vehicle that runs on either. :lol:
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by Maast » Sun Dec 07, 2014 4:01 am

I'm one of the ones that have standardized on diesel fuel; diesel truck w/ 85 gallon fuel tank/toolbox in the bed, diesel car, diesel generator. Boat and other car are gasoline, for now.

I had a long conversation with one of the local fuel/fuel oil providers he said that #2 heating oil is indeed dyed diesel but then he went on to say that diesel road fuel now has cetane boosters in it from the refinery since the US went to low sulfur fuel and fuel oil doesnt. A google search afterward mostly confirmed that.

Based on that I poured a few jugs of cetane booster (along with a stabilizer) into my fuel oil tank before I purged it of oxygen w/ CO2 and sealed it up airtight.

The cool thing about having an above ground "fuel oil tank" is that nobody questions why you have a 500 gallon fuel tank and the insurance doesn't care. Never mind that the shop oil heater hasn't worked for years.

A note on legality; in the US its absolutely 100% legal to run dyed fuel oil/agricultural diesel in any off-road application; tractors, farm engines, or generators. However the dye WILL stain metal and its not coming off and if you get caught with a stained engine or fuel tank on the road its a damn nasty fine + other actions.
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by cyruspace » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:36 am

Maast wrote:
Based on that I poured a few jugs of cetane booster (along with a stabilizer) into my fuel oil tank before I purged it of oxygen w/ CO2 and sealed it up airtight.

The cool thing about having an above ground "fuel oil tank" is that nobody questions why you have a 500 gallon fuel tank and the insurance doesn't care. Never mind that the shop oil heater hasn't worked for years.

A note on legality; in the US its absolutely 100% legal to run dyed fuel oil/agricultural diesel in any off-road application; tractors, farm engines, or generators. However the dye WILL stain metal and its not coming off and if you get caught with a stained engine or fuel tank on the road its a damn nasty fine + other actions.
I am getting out of my knowledge base, at least I admit it! :lol:

Did you have to add cetane booster? Wouldn't it be still diesel fuel if you didn't? My understanding is these additives are often shortening the shelf life of fuels so by adding cetane did you shorten the shelf life of the diesel? Which then required the stabilizer to be added?

Do you empty the above ground tank by using the fuel before refilling? How long does it take?
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by Maast » Sun Dec 07, 2014 10:46 am

The reason I added cetane booster is so I wouldn't have to when I poured it into a vehicle/genny fuel tank, diesel mainly goes bad in 3 ways:
1 - water gets into it which supports microbial growth which literally eats the volatiles that would otherwise be burnt in an engine.
2 - When exposed to ambient air for a long time and especially if its also warm, it oxidizes the good stuff which turns into sludge
3 - Metals left over from production or from the storage vessel itself catalyze the long chain carbons and cut them into shorter lengths which don't burn as well.

The reason cetane boosters nominally shorten diesel storage life is because they oxidize easier than regular diesel because they're more reactive to oxygen.

Remove the oxygen, stabilize the leftover metals, and keep water out and you remove the problems and diesel will be stable for literally decades.

I haven't rotated fuel through my tank, I just filled it up, polished it by running it through a desiccant column (4' PVC pipe with half silica gel and half cellulose) several times, purged it, and sealed it. I did the same thing to several 55 gallon barrels.

Here's a guide I wrote a while back on storing diesel for long timeframes
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by duodecima » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:01 pm

Great thread! I want to check my thinking on the matter of where to store my gas cans . I've got the red plastic kind you get at Farm Fleet or Rural King. (And a funnel! Figured that one out of my own...) 5 gallons x5, enough to fill both my current cars from empty. I used to rotate every 3 months or so. Then I ended up not getting around to refilling them. (Bad prepper! :oops: ) It's clearly time to do so.

I previously stored them inside our very drafty, ancient, tiny, termite ridden garage. We now have a very nice, new, partly insulated garage. It is much less drafty and my husband is much less keen on having the extra gas cans in there. He proposes keeping them in the yard box next to the deck, sounds similar to what the OP was storing his in. It's basically identical to this one.

My concern - the yard box is south facing. OTOH, so's the back of the new partly insulated garage (roof is not insulated. Yet...) I imagine it's going to get hotter in both places than it did in the drafty old garage. I'm in central IL, 90's or higher for at least a couple weeks of summer if not more is normal. Also, this winter excepted, it spends a couple months below freezing and usually a week or so sub-zero-F.

I get not wanting it in the less-well-ventilated garage, but I don't think the heat or cold temps are going to be good for the gas and the plastic cans. (Metal not happening right now, other priorities.) I'm not sure which is the lesser of the two evils. Husband will put up with storing it under the workbench in the new garage if that's going to be the best place.

Any thoughts? Thanks.
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by raptor » Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:05 pm

The key things that causes gasoline to deteriorate is exposure to ambient air and moisture absorbed from the atmosphere.

The way to combat this is to keep the lid on tight and reduce exposure to the atmosphere.

Personally I like your container. I have a smaller and similar one for my gas cans. I keep it in the shade in the far corner of my back yard. The heat of NOLA does not cause any significant problems. I am not sure what extended freezing temps will do though so I cannot offer much advice there. However I would note that the gasoline in your car is exposed to similar temperature variations.

Storing gas scares me so I like the idea of not storing it inside or near anything of value.

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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by Neville » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:55 pm

cyruspace wrote:
raptor wrote:
cyruspace wrote:Scanned the entire thread

Am I missing something?

Why would you store gas for an extended period of time?
You always use the older gas first
No need to buy stabilizer which saves money and you can monitor your storage cans because you are using them.
Unless you are storing a lot of gas and then you can't get through your rotation fast enough, but how many are looking to do that?
Different people have different needs. There are many reasons to stock gasoline. For instance a generator; it uses a lot of fuel and without fuel on hand, is useless.

Another reason is a bug out. A BOL may more than one tank of gas away. For instance my BOL is slightly more than an hour away...except during a hurricane evacuation when if I do not leave early it can take 12+ hours in bumper to bumper traffic to get there.

In my case my generator uses copious amounts of diesel so if I want to be able to operate it I have to have a lot of diesel on hand.

So there are many reasons to have a stock pile of fuel.

From a safety standpoint I personally try to minimize gasoline storage. I also refuel at half a tank. That is why I keep 20 gallons. I assume two cars at half a tank each will need 10 gallons each to get to a full tank. The extra 10 gallons in hurricane season is to give each car 5 gallons of extra gas in case we stuck in contraflow traffic.
I figured
Given your bug out needs you would still just use the old gas first. Why let any fuel deteriorate?

Your post made me think of something.
If you have a diesel vehicle then have a diesel generator so they use the same fuel?
If you have a gas vehicle then have a gas generator so they use the same fuel?
This would make fuel storage and rotation so much easier.
In a crisis you could decide fuel for vehicle or generator.

If you take preps seriously I believe it's always choose diesel
I believe diesel is safer to store then gas
I agree with "don't let it deteriorate" BUT there is the practical matter of fuel rotation being another chore that few of us have a lot of extra time and energy to devote to. If you want to pour a fuel container in your car every week and fill it up fresh, terrific. How many containers do you store? Or hope to store. For me it's about twenty. So assuming I did one container every week that would take me just under six months to do. But honestly, that's an inconvenient chore I don't like to do and consequently I have been trying to figure out ways to do it less frequently. So far the quarterly schedule has been something I have been able to mostly keep to. Knowing myself, if it was a weekly pain in the keister I would probably just blow it off until the gas was all on the verge of going bad, then have to run a bunch of low-quality fuel through my truck all at once. I'd just rather not do that.

Also, stop and think about a national crisis of the kind that our nation has previously seen. Many of our parents or grandparents remember fuel rationing during the war. If you got a certain amount of stamps and had to justify the use of each of those stamps, that puts a bit of a new spin on things doesn't it? In more recent memory there is the Oil Embargo of the early 1970's. It's easy to prep now.... but it may not always be. Do you have some fuel put back to meet a special need that might go on for an extended period? There may be a gap between when you are able to prep, and when you need to rely on your preps. I used this example on someone the other day... say the weather bureau is loudly announcing over every media outlet in your area that there will be a huge storm in three days. So you figure, great, in three days, I'll need an umbrella. But you get busy and kind forget about it for two days. Then you rush out to the store to get your umbrella the day before the storm hits... surprise, they are all out of umbrellas because everyone's been buying them up because they heard about the storm too. So you are in the awkward position of not needing an umbrella YET, but KNOWING you WILL need one, and still, being UNABLE to get one even though you have the TIME, but not the OPPORTUNITY due to factors outside your control. So right now, we all have a chance to buy more fuel than we need, one container per week... there might come a time when the only gas you will be able to get is just what it takes you to get to work every week. Or worse, you may have to not buy gas at all and take turns carpooling with a neighbor because it's $10 a gallon. During that time do you want to be filling up a fresh container every week? Or going out to fill twenty containers all at once? That attracts a lot of attention during a time when fuel is scarce. Maybe it's better to take two or four containers at once, which you can more easily get in the back of your car without drawing undue attention? And really doesn't look that out of place at the gas station. There might come a day when filling up containers at the pump will be unwise because of even that level of attention... If that happens, you may have to fill your tank, then drive home and siphon gas out of your tank and into the containers.

So Joe Blow who has one or two containers, and figures he can rotate them every week - sure, and in case he suddenly for whatever reason cannot get more gas, he's stuck with just one or two containers in reserve... and if the situation has caught him unawares, he has no practical opportunity to increase the size of his reserve.

You can say I'm lazy for not rotating gas every week, maybe you're right, I don't know. But I'm pretty sure if that had been my plan I'd have gotten tired of it by now and stopped, whereas rotating a few containers quarterly has been something I have been able to stick with and justify in my mind (and tired butt) as being both necessary and worth the effort. Prepper, know thyself. Part of my knowing myself is figuring out what I'm willing and able to commit to on a long-term, ongoing basis. Otherwise, it is so, so easy to let all the duties build up until they become almost insurmountable and one is tempted to just throw up hands and give up.

So last comment, currently we're experiencing an UNPRECEDENTED and I would almost guarantee TEMPORARY discount in prices at the pump. If anyone has had fuel in the back of their mind as something to store for extended bug-out or generator use, maybe now is a great time to enlarge their stored fuel reserve.

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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by relics » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:36 am

try google with " Refurbishing Dead Gasoline" . there was a discussion about bubbling butane to refurbish old gas, as well as starting engines on old gas by oil industry chemist at survival blog

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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by teotwaki » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:51 pm

When it comes to rotation, if gas is stored in multiple 5 gallon containers it is fun to conduct a mock bugout and use the stored gas to go as far a possible without using a gas station after the first fill up. I use military Scepter cans that I bought before prices became moronic.

Ten gallons on the roof
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Ten on the roof and 5 on the trailer
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Twenty gallons on the roof
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Twenty gallons on the roof and five on the trailer enabled me to drive all the way out to Death Valley's Saline Valley on my truck's tank, refill from the cans and drive home.
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Re: 1st Annual Gasoline Rotation: Lessons learned

Post by Halfapint » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:55 pm

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I'm getting 2 55gal steel drums to use for fuel storage. I'm only going to fill up a single one at this time just to see how much I go through (mostly for my tractor, but could also be for the truck). I will only be storing diesel in these. I currently use the red Sta-bil for my gas, can I use that in the diesel? Or do I need to buy the more expensive diesel additive?
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