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Re: Ok Now You Are a Refugee...

Post by raptor » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:47 pm

There are many great ideas in this thread from many different people. I decided to do a quick summary of the key ideas from all sources in the thread since it is so long.

Like any summary it hits the key points and may omit other important ones so feel free to ad to these points if any are missed. Also be sure to read the whole thread and simply use this as the Cliff Note version of this thread.

Assuming that you find yourself in this situation I think the key points we have promulgated are (excluding the obvious rule #1 Plan ahead and do not become a refugee):

1.) Avoid copping an attitude, arguing with or pissing off the staff unnecessarily.

2.) Keep a low profile by following the rules and avoid association with the obvious trouble makers in the group.

3.) Offer to assist the shelter team if possible even if they turn you down this will make you seen as a team player.

4.) Work whatever connections and resources you may have available to get setup some place besides the shelter.

5.) Keep your group/family together and help all (including yourself) deal with the emotional issues such a traumatic experience can inflict.

6.) If possible avoid the Astrodome type shelter for the smaller church type shelter. The upside of more aid at the larger shelter is offset by the lower stress level and safer environment at the smaller shelter.

7.) Never lose sight of the fact that you are not a refugee, but rather you are a survivor tying to survive and that you are responsible for your own fate. It is not anyone else's job to take care of you.

8.) Food & Water: Eat the food provided to keep up your strength whether you feel hungry or not and stay hydrated. Drink water. You may be in emotional shock and may not feel thirsty and thus at risk of dehydration.

9.) Rest & Recover: Sleep and rest it will help you recover and think clearly.

10.) Vigilance at all times! Watch your stuff, never leave it unguarded, and don’t unpack everything for envious eyes to see. Just because it is called a shelter does not mean it is safe.

11.) Personal hygiene is important: Wash your hands often, bathe & shave. Do not go barefoot anywhere, including the shower. This will help ensure your health as well as that of the others around you.

12.) Do not try to bring in weapons. If possible bury them in garbage bags for later retrieval and to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands.

13.) Use the time in the shelter to study any maps you have, charge your cell phones, laptop batteries if you can. Stay busy doing something. It will help you cope with being stuck for the time being.

14.) Try to forge some kind of alliance with your neighbors but be cautious. Sharing something like gum, smokes, hard candy helps with this. "I'll watch your back, you watch mine" Be kind to children. Build empathy with your neighbors. It may only be an alliance of two but it is better than being alone. Loners tend to draw attention

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Re: Ok Now You Are a Refugee...

Post by PinelandBuggin » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:07 pm

Thanks for the great info. Your right on the money with everything.

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Re: Ok Now You Are a Refugee...

Post by Cybrludite » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:46 am

Another possibility for your weapons if you drove yourself to a shelter is to keep your weapons in your vehicle. Not the ideal solution from a security standpoint, but more practical than finding a safe place to bury them in an unfamiliar location. Just make sure they're hidden from sight, preferably under other stuff which doesn't look especially hockable. I did this when I stayed overnight at a shelter during Gustav, since the friend who had offered me couch space wasn't going to be back in town until the following day.

If you're planning on staying a while, you might also look into renting a storage unit for your hardware. Less chance of theft or water damage, but more expensive.
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Post by taipan821 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:23 am

raptor wrote: I saw the attempted evacuation of Houston for Rita on TV (I was in N.O. at the time) do you (or any other forum member) have any first hand insight into that event. We all heard about cars running out of gas, 12 hour drives from the Beltway to Katy, etc. I would be very interested in anyone's insight into that event and the resulting lessons learned.

The key lesson I learned is that if you live in a major metro area evacuate at the first sign of trouble or plan on being stuck there. If you do evacuate by car have a full tank of gas and at least 2 full 5 gallon jerry cans of fuel.
I'm with the emergency services in my area and we do mandatory evacuations. i will say if you can get out early the better, this means we don't risk ourselves to get you. many a distress call has happened and we cannot send ambulances out due to the weather (tropical Cyclones)
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Re: Ok Now You Are a Refugee...

Post by raptor » Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:03 pm

Free bump for discussion purposes.

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Re: Ok Now You Are a Refugee...

Post by teotwaki » Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:57 pm

raptor wrote:Free bump for discussion purposes.
This thread should be a sticky!

I think that this is my 3rd re-read of this thread. I have sent the link to friends but this time I reread it all and copied core comments into a text doc.

Here are a few different ZSer's comments that might be worked into the 14 point list
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Miscellaneous points:

I think it would be important to eat whatever is provided to keep your strength. Shelter food is not Denny's but it is food. If you are not in a shelter yet and are provided MRE's you should strip them down to save space. If apples are provided EAT THEM even if you don't like apples. MRE's can be akin to brick mortar on the insides.

When in a shelter do not unpack anything that is not needed. People always look to see what their neighbor has. If you have to unpack, keep you things covered.

Shower shoes, flip flops, water shoes: good to have. If washing facilities are available they should be used. Don't walk around barefoot in a shelter.

Never leave your stuff unattended. Have someone you trust (as much as you can) watch you stuff. If you have a day pack size bag- take it with you to the shower if you can.

Sleep- the lights will be turned down or may be full on. As stated earlier it is for overall safety but it can be hard to deal with if you are not used to it. It was never quiet in the shelter. People were crying or talking. We asked that everyone talk in a whisper after the lights were turned down. However you have your things packed, place it in such a way as someone would not have an easy time steeling something while you are asleep. GET YOUR REST! You make better decisions when rested and are better able to cope with stress. (Maybe have a sleep mask)

Having some trade items such as smokes or gum/hard candy can help get 'favors'.

Important Points:
• A smaller town off the main highways would be a good spot to head to in the event of a natural disaster.
• Avoid big shelters at all costs; small groups of people are accountable to each other, but large groups of people are problems
• Avoid at all cost shelters where groups of people are relocated to by govt. order. You're much safer in a tent somewhere.

Carrying a rubber or plastic bathmat, to set things on may be worthwhile if you expect to wind up at a shelter or use public restrooms a lot.
As a side note:

I always carry some kind of small travel games in my luggage every time I fly anywhere. Chess, checkers, backgammon. Sometimes more complex games (2 person settlers of cataan, if anyone knows what that is). They're small, they weigh hardly anything. I'm thinking of including them in my bugout bag. They're a bizarre way to break the ice with strangers who are going nuts with boredom. I've ended up with spectators around me, watching me and some stranger play chess. Then I tell them I have other games... and I'm willing to let others use them as long as they do so right near me. Boom. Instant game night. I've watched people's blood pressure visibly decline during a simple game of checkers. It helps distract people from a messed up situation they have no control over.
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Re: Ok Now You Are a Refugee...

Post by grumpyviking » Sun Feb 28, 2016 5:34 am

"Never become a refugee".
I guess we've all seen enough pictures of refugees during the last year or so, pitiful sight I think you'd agree.
not something I intend to be.
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Re: Ok Now You Are a Refugee...

Post by teotwaki » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:50 am

Sometimes it just happens because of bad timing.



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Re: Ok Now You Are a Refugee...

Post by DarkAxel » Sun Feb 28, 2016 5:07 pm

Something else to keep in mind if you become a refugee: Your host nation may decide to confiscate your valuables to pay for your care, like Denmark.
CNN wrote:
Denmark adopts controversial law to seize asylum seekers' valuables

Danish lawmakers voted Tuesday in favor of controversial legislation empowering authorities to seize cash and valuables from asylum seekers to help cover their expenses.

The law was passed in parliament by 81 votes to 27, with one abstention.

The passing of the so-called jewelry bill allows the seizure of valuables worth more than 10,000 Danish kroner (about $1,453).

Items of "special sentimental value" such as "wedding rings, engagement rings, family portraits, decorations and medals" are exempted, according to the Danish Ministry of Immigration, Integration and Housing. But "watches, mobile phones and computers" can be confiscated, it says.

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Re: Ok Now You Are a Refugee...

Post by Maeklos » Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:26 pm

DarkAxel wrote:Something else to keep in mind if you become a refugee: Your host nation may decide to confiscate your valuables to pay for your care, like Denmark.
CNN wrote:
Denmark adopts controversial law to seize asylum seekers' valuables

Danish lawmakers voted Tuesday in favor of controversial legislation empowering authorities to seize cash and valuables from asylum seekers to help cover their expenses.

The law was passed in parliament by 81 votes to 27, with one abstention.

The passing of the so-called jewelry bill allows the seizure of valuables worth more than 10,000 Danish kroner (about $1,453).

Items of "special sentimental value" such as "wedding rings, engagement rings, family portraits, decorations and medals" are exempted, according to the Danish Ministry of Immigration, Integration and Housing. But "watches, mobile phones and computers" can be confiscated, it says.

More at link above
Seems that Denmark's had a handful or two of trouble with the refugees they've let in, so passing a law to mitigate the cost of housing refugees makes sense - especially with more and more of the popular opinion turning against it. This can and will happen everywhere during a refugee situation, whether the refugees get shipped across town, across state lines, or across national lines. I'm reminded of that movie The Day After Tomorrow, where the scientist draws a line across the US and says, "Evacuate everyone below this line." and mentions Mexico as a potential safe haven.

Situations like that bring to mind a few other details:

1) Wouldn't hurt to bring along a Spanish/English phrase book if you don't already speak Spanish and you live anywhere near the US-Mexico border. You never know what might happen, and even if you don't find yourself across the border, you still might be dealing with folks who were evacuated along with you who don't speak English very well. Might consider a French/English book if you live near Quebec, but, honestly, even I can't understand the Quebecois half the time, and I've dealt with native-born Francophiles for decades.

2) Be aware of the culture/religion/politics of wherever you might wind up. You don't want to do something thoughtlessly and get yourself in trouble. (Like spitting on the sidewalk in Thailand, for example.)

3) You-

Wait, most of these things are simply the common sense rules for travelling abroad. I'll boil it down for brevity:

"Your politics/religion/culture/personal views are like your dick: everyone thinks theirs is the best, but you probably shouldn't go waving it around in strangers' faces."
Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Re: Ok Now You Are a Refugee...

Post by phil_in_cs » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:53 am

bump for the new friends here, relevant again as we look at Harvey.

Where I live we got a ton of rain but no major flooding. We do have maybe 150k refugees in town, though that should start to drop quickly. That's caused some second order effects of supply problems in town. We normally have around 150k people so the population is currently around double. With Texas A&M here there are lots of hotel rooms, and many thousands of people in the flooded areas pay for apartments here for their children to live in while they attend A&M, so mom and pop and the siblings are up for an extended stay.
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Re: Ok Now You Are a Refugee...

Post by seandeville » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:12 am

"I'm from the government and I'm here to help" said the nice man with the machine gun

Now get on the F**king bus.

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