Would staying at/near a prison be smart?

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Would staying at/near a prison be smart?

Post by Aaron the Robot » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:52 pm

"The Walking Dead" suggests the idea that a prison would be the perfect place to start a new life in the ZPAW.....but what about at the beginning?

The reason i ask is because my house in KY is only 5 miles from the Kentucky State Prison. The house itself is perfect for long term survival....but i have my worries with the prison. What about if/when they release the convicts? What are the chances that we could ever actually get INTO the prison and make it our home?

I guess the main question here is: Would it be better to have a bug-out location NEAR a prison? or as far away as possible?

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Post by Trebor » Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:03 pm

Well, since zombies aren't real, and convicted murderers and other prison-folk are real, I'd stay as far away from the prison as possible.

They seem to mention prisons in most of the PAW literature I've read. The options when the world ends range from letting all the prisoners go, to letting them starve in their cells, to having the guards execute them all. In any event, I'm staying away.
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Post by undeaddeadguy » Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:30 pm

I'm staying away, especially at the beginning of the PAW. If the fence gets knocked down or the prisoners get out of the cells, it's going to become chaotic.

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Post by silentpoet » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:39 pm

I don't think it would be a good idea early PAW or ZPAW. Maybe after the S has stopped hitting the fan and things have cooled down. But I just don't think it is a good idea to be there.
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Post by Robot » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:18 pm

I was a lieutenant in a prison in middle Tennessee for several years. Most likely, the prison officials will do all they can to go on “business as usual” for as long as they can. But inevitably officers will stop showing up for work and eventually nobody will be there. Now understand that every prison in the US has a plan for when things go bad. If there current staff cannot handle the work load, local and state police are on tap to cover any vacancies. Now in a worst case scenario this my mean locking the facility down (all inmates in there cells) and having only a couple of staff watching the hole facility. Now that will only last for a short time. 90% of riots in prisons started over food. (not good enough, not enough, no food) And don’t let anybody fool you, left unmolested in a cell long enough, a determined person can get out…..eventually. Once out of the cell, if left unchallenged, its pretty easy going from there to the exit door. But rest assured the prison officials will not under any circumstance voluntarily let an entire facility loose. But left unguarded, most will get out eventually. Inmates escaping prisons located in a large cities will go largely unnoticed by the population because of the large scale carnage that will be going on during this time. Now in small towns where the population of the prison is larger than the population of the county it is located in, the local citizenry will be hard pressed to keep these people at bay. But on a good note, these people couldn’t play well others before they got locked up. Toss in a bunch of other sociopaths and a less than ideal environmental situation and you have a very unorganized mob fighting amongst themselves trying to survive in a PAW situation. If you can hold on a couple of weeks most of these folks will kill themselves off and the others would leave the area.
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Post by Vindex » Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:46 pm

There's different kindsa prisons for different kindsa prisoners, so it kinda depends. If you are next door to a youth facility, women's facility, a minimum security type place for white collar fraudsters, well maybe it's not such a problem compared to the inhabitants of Pelican Bay.

As for what would happen in worst case scenarios, well, there's constitutional rights and human rights involved, and most SHTF events come to an end, so responsible custodians have to think about being held accountable for their actions.

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Post by jamoni » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:01 pm

No.
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Post by Zamboni » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:48 pm

Vindex wrote: If you are next door to a... women's facility...
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Post by solliz » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:12 pm

After shit settled down, possibly. It would depend on the prison. Is this one of the older prisons that look a fort, or one of the new ones with a chainlink fence and some high tech crap.

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Post by PlatonicPimp » Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:45 pm

There's a problem with the theory of taking fortresses. how impregnable or defensible can they be, if YOU got in? Also, I don't mean to sound too new-age-y, but prisons have bad karma built up in them. No prison ever feels right, even when it's not in operation any more. Even whe it's repurposed, even after the building is torn down there's still a sense about the place. The only place worse in mental hospitals.
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Post by 66606 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:29 am

Nope, never, no, no way.

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Post by Duxman » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:02 am

Yeah, I would move.

Prisons = bad element - and there is a reason why they drive property values down.

Not to mention if Prisoners who are in good physical shape turn into Zeds - they will be a handful to take down.

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Post by 66606 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:04 am

Duxman wrote:Yeah, I would move.

Prisons = bad element - and there is a reason why they drive property values down.

Not to mention if Prisoners who are in good physical shape turn into Zeds - they will be a handful to take down.
Plus it would make dropping the soap really dangerous.

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Post by phoenixmastm » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:09 am

66606 wrote:
Duxman wrote:Yeah, I would move.

Prisons = bad element - and there is a reason why they drive property values down.

Not to mention if Prisoners who are in good physical shape turn into Zeds - they will be a handful to take down.
Plus it would make dropping the soap really dangerous.
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Living next to a prison would suck. Not only would I live in constant fear (or worry at least) of a prison break, prisons are ugly as hell to look at. Plus, even if SHTF, there is nothing really usable inside that the prisoners wouldn't be able to get to first.
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Post by 66606 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:57 pm

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Post by DarkHorse » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:48 pm

In a paw situation, the inmates would be released. At least in my part of california.

I wouldn't live near one. They also breed antibiotic resistant staph there much like hospitals. Steer clear.
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Post by undeaddeadguy » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:49 pm

DarkHorse wrote:In a paw situation, the inmates would be released. At least in my part of california.
Another reason why I don't live in California.

Even if you did hunker down in a 'safe' prison, wouldn't the smell alone want to make you pack up? I toured one a while ago. They Stink with a capital S.

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Post by Robot » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:56 pm

The staff infection thing is true…..but a staff infection by definition is resistant to antibiotics.

Now the inmate release thing. The only legal way to release the inmates is for the Governor of the State to pardon every inmate in the entire state prison system. That’s not going to happen.
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Post by DarkHorse » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:40 am

I was talking about California. Things may differ in your state. I was trying not to speak in generalizations. There are people from most of the 50 states, canada, europe on the boards. So the Governor may or may not be the go to guy. Here in california, in a PAW type situation, it could be the local sheriff, warden, or their designee.


8658. In any case in which an emergency endangering the lives of
inmates of a state, county, or city penal or correctional institution
has occurred or is imminent, the person in charge of the institution
may remove the inmates from the institution. He shall, if possible,
remove them to a safe and convenient place and there confine them as
long as may be necessary to avoid the danger, or, if that is not
possible, may release them. Such person shall not be held liable,
civilly or criminally, for acts performed pursuant to this section.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/g ... -8660.html


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Post by Robot » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:08 pm

Wow, just found another reason not to live in California…no hard feelings :wink:
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Post by Off Duty Ninja » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:13 pm

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Post by Robot » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:45 pm

I’ve got to say, I worked in corrections for several years…..and that’s a new one on me. But you’ve got to admit, its clever. :lol:
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Post by razi » Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:01 pm

how could I put this politely... fuck no.

I'd rather deal with the zombies.

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