Bugging Out to Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams Club: No!

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Re: Preparation aint just a seasoning for your dinner

Post by Off Duty Ninja » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:43 pm

GhostlyKarliion wrote:Also as of note, I have noticed something that always seems to get overlooked.

You have food, check.
You have water, check.
You have fuel, check.

Did you ever stop to think that you might need some medical supplies?

There is NO REASON to not have substantial medical supplies on hand at all times.
It was a bare minimum post, about the bare minimum you would need. The point wasn't to make a list of what you need in your BOB, we have those threads else where. I was making a point of staying home as opposed to going to Wal-Mart, Costco, K-Mart, or even S-Mart for that matter. (See also spirit of the post, and not literalness of the post)

If you would like to have a conversation about BOB's, the packing there of, and what you need in your house in case of disaster PM me and we'll talk or I can provide you with several links to BOB threads.
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Post by herbalpagan » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:53 pm

As a "desperate housewife" who has been in a no electricity situation for more than a week, any place with supplies is NOT a place to go. I speak from experience, having had to search three states for a generator and find one, get to the place and have to litterally throw myself on top of the last one to save it...although I had company, cause every other guy in the vacinity had the same idea, but got there earlier! I talked to the wives they had sat on the other generators lol
The time to raid your local big box store is way BEFORE an event, with money and a list...watch the weather and the news so you can approximate when something might happen. JMO
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Post by pyratemime » Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:22 am

If you must, absolutely must go and raid a store go raid the one in your basement that you have spent careful time preparing and creating to keep you go. I am serious, have you SO go down there and "defend" it then go in and "attack"it... it will burn a few hours playing around who knows what will happen. Yes I know it sounds stupid but it is no worse than saying "my BOB is wal-mart".
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Post by GhostlyKarliion » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:06 am

pyratemime wrote:Yes I know it sounds stupid but it is no worse than saying "my BOB is wal-mart".
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I wasn't referring to a BOB per-se, but preventative Medical supplies, didn't take time to list everything needed at home. Come to think of it, I don't have everything needed written down in one place, I need to do that and post it... hmmm, bbl.
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Post by LordRahl » Mon May 28, 2007 4:41 pm

My BOB is Wal-Mart..... And if you all promise not to flame too bad I will tell you all how.
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Post by Gregoriev » Mon May 28, 2007 5:04 pm

Will you just come out and say it already? Your acting like you want to sell us something.

"I have a perfect plan to survive in the walmart, and for 4 easy payments of 19.95, I'll tell it to you!"

Seriously, if going to the walmart is so awesome, then post your long drawn out and logical reasoning for believing that. I can assure you it will be read, picked apart, and debunked on a logical and systematic point by point basis until your argument is a shattered threadbare empty husk of its former self.
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Post by TheLastRifleMan » Mon May 28, 2007 5:10 pm

Before I was a frequent user of this sight, I too, thought about going to the local Wally World when the world as I knew it looked as though it was going to end.

But after two years on this sight, I now know better.

The scenes played out on the network news channels druing Katrina only re inforced this idea.

Not only is this a very bad idea, it could also be one that would end your life.
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Post by LordRahl » Mon May 28, 2007 5:12 pm

This is my ZOMBIE plan not my DISASTER plan mind you, because I do not take Zombie as a metaphor, I think a 28 days later scenario is all too possible.

So here I go. My plan is simple, and straightforward. Because I tend to think of myself as more aware than the general populations of events and possible scenarios where I would have to execute this plan, it will probably work.

At the first sign of breakdown, when the transition occurs between lawful purchasing and looting is when we make our move. There are 10 of us, all outfitted to be able to accomplish our goals (we all have lvl3 body armor, and at least some military experience). We make our move on Wal-Mart making it clear to whoever is inside/in the area, that we are taking possession of the building and its contents, and that they are free to stay given that they live under our charge. If they refuse to leave or submit, then non lethal force will be used to remove them. We have a large supply of bean bag rounds for our shotguns, and multiple cans of pepper spray.

Those who agree to do so will be watched over by my group and initially disarmed. We will immediately fortify the building which has 3 entrances. First we will pull our vehicles, 5 SUV’s, in front of the main entrance in a funnel shape to bottleneck those who wish to enter. We will screen those who wish to come in a live under our charge, one at a time. My Wal-Mart is connected to a Sears and later fortifications will be made with reinforced concrete walls around the entrances. Those living inside will be expected to work along side our men and support themselves and their families. We would only have to survive like this until the winter upon which time we will break out and use manual weapons to start taking down the frozen masses.
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Post by TheLastRifleMan » Mon May 28, 2007 5:24 pm

Very well, you have stated your plans and methods. If you would be so kind as to be patient, let us cirtique what you have written. Let me be the first to begin:

[quote="LordRahl"]We make our move on Wal-Mart making it clear to whoever is inside/in the area, that we are taking possession of the building and its contents, and that they are free to stay given that they live under our charge. If they refuse to leave or submit, then non lethal force will be used to remove them. We have a large supply of bean bag rounds for our shotguns, and multiple cans of pepper spray.[quote]

Not only is this very dangerous, but highly illegal. The store does not belong to you or your companions, ergo, you cannot take possesion of it. You will most likely be entering into a riot situation, which is highly unpredictable and possibly violent. Even though you may have "non lethal" weaponry does not mean the rioters do not. They may react with melee weapons or even firearms. Even if you have body armor, this may be an effective deterrent, especially when out numbered. You simply may be overrun and stomped into paste by a panicing horde of looters.

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Post by LordRahl » Mon May 28, 2007 5:32 pm

Not only is this very dangerous, but highly illegal. The store does not belong to you or your companions, ergo, you cannot take possesion of it. You will most likely be entering into a riot situation, which is highly unpredictable and possibly violent. Even though you may have "non lethal" weaponry does not mean the rioters do not. They may react with melee weapons or even firearms. Even if you have body armor, this may be an effective deterrent, especially when out numbered. You simply may be overrun and stomped into paste by a panicing horde of looters.

Remember this is my zombie/complete social breakdown plan, not my disaster plan. I am not concerned with illlegalities. Secondly, though we have non lethal munitions, we specialize in the other kind. Thirdly, we have a backup plan with a tactical retreat if we indeed begin to become over run with looters.
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Post by Gregoriev » Mon May 28, 2007 5:38 pm

So you and your merry band of mall ninjas are going to storm the walmart as soon as social order breaks down (as if that point can be determined with any real precision or accuracy) and take it over. Right...and you will have your own little fiefdom from which to expand the power of your new and powerful despotic walmart empire.


Are you even listening to yourself? Your talking about holding people at gunpoint over property, all in the name of "order". Right, who he heck is going to have to die for you to become king? It's not if, but when. A desprate mob like that will not just "submit or join" you, they will either run away, or submit and stab you in the back when your not looking.

I once thought a walmart would be a good idea as well. In fact, I bet we all had those thoughts at one time or another (fewer were willing to actually post about it). With time, and expirience you will realize that raiding walmart is NOT a good idea.

Don't get me wrong, it makes for GREAT fictional stories. You know, the rag tag team of misfits that manages to do something right for a change and somehow win in the end, but that is FICTION. If you want some nice fiction, read the story I am currently writting. The link is in my sig.
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Post by 66606 » Mon May 28, 2007 5:44 pm

So what you are saying is that on the first sign of social breakdown you and nine others will take over an entire store that in all probability will be the scene of rioting and already have Police in the area trying to stop looters.

Then after you have taken over you and nine others will herd the people who are desperate to come in out of the way of zombies into a nice little funnel and check them one at a time while the rest line up nice and quite behind.

And then you will run this little fiefdom filled with kids, grandparents, wives and husbands and re-create society after you have re-killed frozen zombieicles.


I think you need to re-think it through, My daughter read your post and just laughed...she's 12.

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Post by LD! » Mon May 28, 2007 5:46 pm

Gregoriev wrote:If you want some nice fiction, read the story I am currently writting. The link is in my sig.

lol :lol: :lol:

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Post by LordRahl » Mon May 28, 2007 5:57 pm

So.. Why don't you tell me why you think it won’t work instead of just making fun of me like I thought you were all going to.

To address the people who actually had something constructive to offer, I would first like to say, that in this situation I hold no responsibility to the lives of others. My life is my own and I will do what it takes to ensure I keep it. That said, I will let people take refuge with us if they will live with us in peace, if not they will be dealt with in the manor I previously stated.

Are you even listening to yourself? Your talking about holding people at gunpoint over property, all in the name of "order". Right, who he heck is going to have to die for you to become king? It's not if, but when. A desprate mob like that will not just "submit or join" you, they will either run away, or submit and stab you in the back when your not looking.

I am not interested in the other people whatsoever, I am simply giving them the option of joining me, where they will benefit from their own work and live in peace to establish a safer area, or they can leave. As I have said we will do what it takes to control the mob, if we can not do it, we will initiate our tactical retreat to the hills of upstate NY.

So what you are saying is that on the first sign of social breakdown you and nine others will take over an entire store that in all probability will be the scene of rioting and already have Police in the area trying to stop looters.

Then after you have taken over you and nine others will herd the people who are desperate to come in out of the way of zombies into a nice little funnel and check them one at a time while the rest line up nice and quite behind.

And then you will run this little fiefdom filled with kids, grandparents, wives and husbands and re-create society after you have re-killed frozen zombieicles.


Yeah thats prety much it.
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Post by Mrs 66606 » Mon May 28, 2007 6:01 pm

I know that this may be wandering off topic just a tad, but I would love to know where you would actually get the equipment that you and you nine other associates are using?

After all, it's not the sort of stuff I would expect you to have stuffed in your wardrobe.

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Post by 66606 » Mon May 28, 2007 6:15 pm

LordRahl wrote:So.. Why don't you tell me why you think it won’t work instead of just making fun of me like I thought you were all going to.
It won't work because, hundreds if not thousands of people will have exactly the same idea. In all probability a lot will have got there before you and will have broken down the doors, smashed windows and generally made the place a secure as an open prison with a revolving door.
Then there will be the LEOs trying to stop the looters and fighting for their life, I guarantee that they will be less than happy to see yet another bunch of armed civilians turning up and trying to force their way into Wally World.

And of course we can't forget the other armed personal who will be there, either Gang bangers, other "Survivalists" ( I won't say preppers because we will all ready be bugged in or bugging out) or everyone and their granny trying to get in to Your fortress of Wallytude.

Best thing you and your group can do is sit down and work out a plan where you can simply get together in a safe and sensible place that you will already have stocked with all you need and that you have bought, not plan on being all gung -ho and taking over a in reality pretty useless empty ruined building.

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Post by LordRahl » Mon May 28, 2007 6:31 pm

Mrs 66606 wrote:I know that this may be wandering off topic just a tad, but I would love to know where you would actually get the equipment that you and you nine other associates are using?

After all, it's not the sort of stuff I would expect you to have stuffed in your wardrobe.
We have all either been in the military or have other military training. We have all purchased our own custom weapons with 3 limitations to keep things simple. We all have benelli shotguns, and HK pistols. 6 of us have AR's and 4 of us have M1A's. We decided to do this after 9-11 i case of an actual emergency. I am the only one who thinks about the zombie emergency though, they all seem to think its silly, but we prepaired for it nonetheless. I convinved them that talk is cheap, and that it would be better to indulge in my silliness than to die later.

It has taken us 6 years to get where we are. If you have specific questions let me know.
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Post by LordRahl » Mon May 28, 2007 6:36 pm

It won't work because, hundreds if not thousands of people will have exactly the same idea. In all probability a lot will have got there before you and will have broken down the doors, smashed windows and generally made the place a secure as an open prison with a revolving door.
Then there will be the LEOs trying to stop the looters and fighting for their life, I guarantee that they will be less than happy to see yet another bunch of armed civilians turning up and trying to force their way into Wally World.


Like I have said, we have a retreat plan, and the building has no windows, and 3 doors. We have a plan for the main enterance so technically the door dosent even need to be there, and the other 2 are the 3 foot wide kind. There is a big door for deliveries but that whole section of the building is closed off by another door. The LEO's will have bigger problems at this point than Wal-Mart, trust me.
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Post by Mrs 66606 » Mon May 28, 2007 6:48 pm

LordRahl wrote:
Mrs 66606 wrote:
We have all either been in the military or have other military training. We have all purchased our own custom weapons with 3 limitations to keep things simple. We all have benelli shotguns, and HK pistols. 6 of us have AR's and 4 of us have M1A's. We decided to do this after 9-11 i case of an actual emergency. I am the only one who thinks about the zombie emergency though, they all seem to think its silly, but we prepaired for it nonetheless. I convinved them that talk is cheap, and that it would be better to indulge in my silliness than to die later.

It has taken us 6 years to get where we are. If you have specific questions let me know.
Really?
And all your Militery and 'other' military traing has brought you to the conclusion that a Walmart is the best place for you to be?

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Post by 66606 » Mon May 28, 2007 6:52 pm

Do you have a link to a airal map of the area so we can see what else is around? Might give us more of an idea and we might be able to offer advice.

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Post by LordRahl » Mon May 28, 2007 6:59 pm

Mrs 66606 wrote:
LordRahl wrote:
Mrs 66606 wrote:
We have all either been in the military or have other military training. We have all purchased our own custom weapons with 3 limitations to keep things simple. We all have benelli shotguns, and HK pistols. 6 of us have AR's and 4 of us have M1A's. We decided to do this after 9-11 i case of an actual emergency. I am the only one who thinks about the zombie emergency though, they all seem to think its silly, but we prepaired for it nonetheless. I convinved them that talk is cheap, and that it would be better to indulge in my silliness than to die later.

It has taken us 6 years to get where we are. If you have specific questions let me know.
Really?
And all your Militery and 'other' military traing has brought you to the conclusion that a Walmart is the best place for you to be?
Uhhhh.. Generally they don't teach zombie contermeasures in the military, and also this is basically the event for which we have prepaired the least.
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Post by LordRahl » Mon May 28, 2007 7:00 pm

66606 wrote:Do you have a link to a airal map of the area so we can see what else is around? Might give us more of an idea and we might be able to offer advice.
Hmmm... Well I can give you the lat and longitude so that you can check it out if you have google earth or something. Otherwise I can only get a roadmap.
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Post by 66606 » Mon May 28, 2007 7:02 pm

Lat and long will be fine .

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Post by Lonestar » Mon May 28, 2007 7:03 pm

LordRahl wrote:
We have all either been in the military or have other military training. We have all purchased our own custom weapons with 3 limitations to keep things simple. We all have benelli shotguns, and HK pistols. 6 of us have AR's and 4 of us have M1A's. We decided to do this after 9-11 i case of an actual emergency. I am the only one who thinks about the zombie emergency though, they all seem to think its silly, but we prepaired for it nonetheless. I convinved them that talk is cheap, and that it would be better to indulge in my silliness than to die later.

It has taken us 6 years to get where we are. If you have specific questions let me know.
For having been in the military or having had "other military training", it doesn't seem as if any of you learned your lessons. You are right about one thing though: talk truly is cheap.
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