Bugging Out to Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams Club: No!

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Post by wilycyt » Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:55 pm

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On Z-Day, I'M HEADING TO THE LIQUOR STORE!!!
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Post by Off Duty Ninja » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:36 pm

I suggest a womens correctional facility. Not out of any functional reason though, just for the sheer amusement of I know what will happen to you. Puddin' Cup...'nuff said.
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Post by Ben » Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:10 am

Some may not get the reference. See below.
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Post by Dr Tran » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:30 pm

Max Brook's Zombie Survival Guide has something to say about holing up in supermarkets. The food rots, the people go there to stock up. And the windows in the supermarket will do what they are designed to. Advertise food(you).
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Post by Geiger » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:09 pm

go to walmart on black friday, for those who dont know, is the morning after thanksgiving. that will be a good example for you, just multiply times 10 for a disaster.
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Post by Denarre » Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:15 pm

I wonder if it'd be a better bet to raid the warehouses that are used as distribution centers for the various stores. If those exist. I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject, but the stocks have to come from somewhere, right? Or do things go directly from the ships/planes to the stores?

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Post by SimplyD » Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:46 pm

I know of several wal-mart distribution centers within an hour of my house. That said, I'd almost guarantee I wouldn't go to any of them, with the one possible exception of the distribution center across from a small county jail. Even then, it would be under very specific circumstances, where I am a member of a group of at least 100 or so individuals and we have enough firepower to hold the jail safely.
Otherwise, no, I wouldn't try for them. Yes, everyone knows about the wal-marts. But I graduated with a lot of people who work at those distribution centers and they all know about their work place, as well as a great deal of people who live near them. Would as many people rush to them? Perhaps not. But you'd still have way too many people trying to converge on them for me to see them as any part of a plan. Although I'll concede that knowing where they are in the case of a supply emergency may be helpful if you hadn't already been prepared before TSHTF.

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Post by Denarre » Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:49 pm

Yeah, a quick googling on the subject showed me the industrial park where most of all our store distribution warehouses are. I agree it'd still be a troublesome place to try to get to, but the sheer volume of resources that may be available might be useful to hit when things 'cool down' after the first hectic day/weeks of ZPAW.

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Post by SimplyD » Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:55 pm

My only concern would be that, if an armed group has nested in the warehouse already, you could be walking into a dangerous and potentially deadly situation if you try to get in as well. I'd prefer to avoid humans in general right after TSHTF and only begin to contact other groups slowly after I know most of the panic has died down. But yes, they can be good positions to try and hold out in at least temporarily, and the ones I know of always have a few eighteen-wheelers sitting in the parking lot. I don't know if they'd still be there, but if someone is with me who can drive one, it would be a good way of getting a lot of supplies to my fortress quickly.

But keep in mind, I'm talking about back in the country, where the distribution centers are set out alone in relatively undeveloped land. In a downtown situation, I don't know if you'd be able to get any vehicles very far on teh roads.

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Post by Angry_MOGS » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:55 pm

The worst thing about most public buildings and stores? Lots and lots of glass, too many entrances to cover.

The problem with places designed to be secure (prisons, police stations, Guard/Reserve Armories) - in order to access them, you'd have to compromise one or more of the features that make them protected in the first place (if they haven't already been turned into Ft. Apache by that point and aren't operating under very loose ROE on weapons employment).

Homes: Again, do you have those huge friggin' windows that are there to "let in lots of natural light?" Good luck with those.

Max Brooks hit the nail on the head - find someplace where you can set up shop on the second or third floor, make the stairs unusable, make sure no one determined could climb their way to your perch, then wait it out.

I would try to plan for having a wingman of some sort, with solo as the next best - the "lone wolf" act will probably fail at some point - you get tired, careless, or desperate to see someone ANYONE. Mental fatigue will probably happen WAY before physical.
And the wingman can't be just anybody, it has to be someone you think would have a clue, and be able to get their schtuff somewhat in a sock ITSHTF.

Best contigency plan? Probably 1) be involved in your community (so you know where all the useful stuff and places are) 2) keep your nose clean (you do want the cops and/or military to trust you with a gun if it comes to it, don't you?) 3) find one or more like-minded individuals in the community and keep their numbers on speed dial
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Post by AwPhuch » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:11 pm

Angry_MOGS wrote:The worst thing about most public buildings and stores? Lots and lots of glass, too many entrances to cover.

The problem with places designed to be secure (prisons, police stations, Guard/Reserve Armories) - in order to access them, you'd have to compromise one or more of the features that make them protected in the first place (if they haven't already been turned into Ft. Apache by that point and aren't operating under very loose ROE on weapons employment).

Homes: Again, do you have those huge friggin' windows that are there to "let in lots of natural light?" Good luck with those.

Max Brooks hit the nail on the head - find someplace where you can set up shop on the second or third floor, make the stairs unusable, make sure no one determined could climb their way to your perch, then wait it out.

I would try to plan for having a wingman of some sort, with solo as the next best - the "lone wolf" act will probably fail at some point - you get tired, careless, or desperate to see someone ANYONE. Mental fatigue will probably happen WAY before physical.
And the wingman can't be just anybody, it has to be someone you think would have a clue, and be able to get their schtuff somewhat in a sock ITSHTF.

Best contigency plan? Probably 1) be involved in your community (so you know where all the useful stuff and places are) 2) keep your nose clean (you do want the cops and/or military to trust you with a gun if it comes to it, don't you?) 3) find one or more like-minded individuals in the community and keep their numbers on speed dial
Believe it or not..look at the construction of new walgreens...almost NO glass exept maybe 8-10 feet off the ground and the doors up front

Walmart does have the metal safety grates, and once those are closed there really isnt much glass storefront open anymore

However I guarantee you, you arent the ONLY one that is going to be at Walmart and they might have more guns/ammo/willingness to kill in order to survive! Best to wait, otherwise you are walking right into the fire
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Post by FeelingStabby » Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:05 am

I would second a vote for hitting a local school. Most schools in downtown Toronto have cages over the doors and windows, a stocked cafeteria, and a fall-back position (2nd floor). When the Zombie Apocolypse rolls around, I'll be recruiting the local janitor and buckling down for a while.
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Post by DarkHorse » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:39 am

Random notes

Schools tend to attract refugees. I'd give them a wide berth unless you are looking for a halfway house between point A & B

I wouldn't take over a jail. Too much antibiotic resistant staph bacteria. Aside from possibly stripping the razor wire off the fences and or looking for restraint equipment, I'd avoid them.
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Post by Tank » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:47 am

I think that in the event of a disaster, one should hold up indoors at home for 72 hours or more at first. Give all the idiots and sheep time to run amok and cause their own chaos. After that first 72 hours, then you can become mobile and head for the hills if you will...
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Post by evolvesurvive » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:31 pm

Tank wrote:I think that in the event of a disaster, one should hold up indoors at home for 72 hours or more at first. Give all the idiots and sheep time to run amok and cause their own chaos. After that first 72 hours, then you can become mobile and head for the hills if you will...
...provided martial law hasn't been initiated by that point, which is pretty unlikely.
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Post by Tank » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:09 pm

Well, Martial Law doesn't mean you can't go outside, just that a curfew may be in effect. And how do you enforce a curfew outside of a city? Head for the hills!
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Post by Blacksh33p » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:35 pm

I am sure that the moment an something of an exponential magnitude occurs, boots will hit the dirt. That, or police and volunteers will be called to keep the peace.

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Post by Tank » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:37 pm

Well, you can always look at Katrina to see how reliable people are in that respect. The door swings both ways there. Do you really think there will be that much organization in the event of a major global catastrophe? That was just a hurricane.
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Post by Kosh » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:00 pm

I'll mention Army/Navy Surplus stores here as well. I had a long discussion with the owner of such a store once and he was telling me about how duing hurricanes he camped out in his store with his gun loaded and ready for any looters. I'm pretty sure he'd leave a few "surprises" behind if he knew he wasn't going make it or even if he evacuated.

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Post by Jamie » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:30 pm

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Paypal $15 right now to: getajumpontheendoftheworld@gmail.com, and start feeling safer from now on...
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Post by Old_Man » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:09 pm

Now there is a handy service!

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Post by Topcat » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:15 pm

For the last few months, when I go to Wallmart, catfood, socks, yogurt, I will always pick up 100rnds 115g 9mm ammo. I now, after several months of such slow buying, have 1,500 rnds 9mm ammo. Same with canned food, TP, first aid items.
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Post by Grace » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:23 pm

My brother's convinced that going to a Wal-Mart is a pretty good idea and that it'd be a good thing that there would be a gigantic mob there. His reasoning? "You'd want to be around other people." God, I hope one of the two of us was adopted.
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Post by theT-Rav » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:42 pm

The primary Bass Pro Shops Distribution Center is in my city, on the outskirts. I don't know that I'd try to secure the place, but it'd definitely be a nice place to stock up, hold out a few days.

I guess my choices on where I'd go would depend directly upon the vastness of the disaster. Are we talking about a small zombie population here (less than 10%), a massive infestation (more than 90%), or somewhere in between?

If it was a massive infestation, there wouldn't really be enough people left in the country.. my city itself would have less than 2000 people left alive. So my disaster plan would be much different.
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