Bugging Out to Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams Club: No!

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Bugging Out to Wal-Mart, Costco, Sams Club: No!

Post by ghostface » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:41 pm

One of the first instincts you might have when joining this board, or thinking about disaster preparedness/survival in general, is that the ultimate refuge has to be that huge Mega-Mart near your house. I mean, they have everything, right? Food, water, shelter, and possibly even arms quite literally line the walls in places like that.

Everyone else has had, or will come up with, the same idea. Well, maybe not everyone- but certainly so many that the chances your particular store won’t be overrun is pretty damn slim.

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Have you ever been to the grocery store around dinner time? It’s a pain in the ass, isn’t it? What about before a blizzard or a major storm? It’s a zoo. Remember Katrina? Great googley-moogely! Now imagine that it’s the motherfucking End of the World as We Know It.

The same principle applies to setting up shop after some time has passed in the PAW. Only now, though there might be fewer people to compete with, those that are left could be crazy, sick, or just plain hostile. The materials you came looking for will be depleted by spoilage and scavenging. Squatters may defend what's left with violence. The building will more than likely already have had its security measures breached.

In short, it’s not just a bad idea- it’s a ridiculously common one. Don’t do it.

You shouldn’t rely on hitting the supply jackpot after the unthinkable happens anyway. We’re not just about survival at Zombie Squad. We’re about preparedness: getting and learning what we’ll need before we need it. Hopefully you are, too, and that’s why you’re here. 8)

So ditch the Mega-Store “plan” and come up with something original, something that works best for you and your specific set of circumstances. Tell us about it, and read what other people are coming up with as well. Brainstorming and constructive criticism are two of the best tools available, and you can work with them right here. Here's the best part: everyone benefits by participating.

And we can’t wait to hear what you come up with next.
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Post by half elf » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:19 am

Hers what I do
1. set $10 aside every pay day
2. purchase the same type items each time
3. store them in creative dead spaces found in most houses(IE under beds, under couches, behind the computer cabinet.
4. look at it as insurance
5. buy stuff you know how to use, and will eat.
My list incudes 2 1lb bags of rice, 2 1lb bags of beans(whatever type you prefer), 4 boxes mac&chees(Store Brand), 2gal jugs of water, 1jar of condiments(bullion cubes, garlic powder, onion powder) 1 box poptarts. and a can o smeat either corned beef, spam treat, or fish. I have had to rely on some of these supplies inbetween jobs in the past, and yes it will get old but I survived.
These items along with the grub you already have can be combined in many different ways.
I have also supplied other needs. I put oil lamps in every room of the house, have a kerosene heater, 2 camp stoves with fuel, and a charcoal grill with 4 bags of charcoal in the crawl space.
These items can be found at seasonal closeouts for cheap grill in the fall, heaters in the spring, lamps from big lots, wallyworld.
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Post by crazydave » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:28 pm

best and cheapest way is pre paw sit in the lot and follow those stockuppers back home - post paw gather some zombies and send them round, leave a few days and then go eat :D
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Post by Bald Chihuahua » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:52 pm

You want to intentionally kill people in order to loot their supplies? I don't think ZS is about doing that, even when it is mentioned jokingly.

Nice post, ghostface.
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Post by Whiskey Sierra » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:43 pm

If your lucky the zombies will leave a bit on the bone for you to snack on also.

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Post by luctus » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:21 pm

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Post by Gunny » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:46 am

crazydave wrote:best and cheapest way is pre paw sit in the lot and follow those stockuppers back home - post paw gather some zombies and send them round, leave a few days and then go eat :D
Crazy, seriously, read our rules section.

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Post by crazydave » Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:42 pm

sorry - I didn't think it was direct enough to violate the no illegality rule as it was theoretical and the zombies would be doing all the work - How about making a note of who's been stocking up, then going to help them beat off the zombies somebody else has herded towards them and getting fed for your efforts :wink:
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Post by razi » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:57 am

instead of 1 lb bags of rice, hit the chinese grocer for the $12 25 lb bag.

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Post by half elf » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:11 pm

I recomend the 1lb bags because You only need to open what You are going to use that day, they can be combined in a storage bin and sealed, and they are already cut into trading size packages. Rice is good, but needs a protein source along with it.
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Post by 66606 » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:42 pm

Damm fine post Ghostface, I have to admit that when I first got into the whole preparing for the worst my initial thought was to head straight for the local supermarket and hole up there. Then after a week or two I realised that it was not only stupid and illegal but probably a death sentence as well.

I blame a lot of it on "Dawn of The Dead", at least that’s where I got the idea from. I think that a lot of people watch the film and say to them selves "That’s what I'd do as well" little realising that most every one else will have the same plan.

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Post by crazydave » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:47 pm

I think this boils down to situation - looking at katrina and the looting for example. What defines looting? raiding the tv store is one thing but what if you are only trying to get a radio so you can find out what the heck the government is doing to help you out. Same with food, clothes and medicine we would all do what was necessary to survive the situation regardless of the consequences.

In new orleans there was no law as they all went home to look after their own kin - post paw or wicki then the cops everywhere would go back to the station and load up with gear before deserting their posts. With no government then there wont be any laws to keep will there? In that situation then our basic sense of wrong and right comes into play.

The stand by steven king was a good example of a paw till they spoilt it with the usual crappy monster at the end - they should never make his books into film IMO.

A bit like shooting somebody - the differences between calling it war, self defense and murder are pretty vague.

When does a zombie stop being a person, if you cant define that then surely that would be murder.

One of the UK health authorities asked for a skills database should bird flu hit their area and they were called upon, the entire staff including the doctors said they would not come into work but would stay at home - illegal yes under their contracts but is it wrong?

Here we use the zombie scenario to discuss what we would probably be uncomfortable discussing in another context, which is a good thing - moving into wall mart is a no no except in this kind of context.

The same goes for taking on marauding gangs of biker zombies with a ak or machete - theoretical context.
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Post by Valarius » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:41 pm

Fine, Ghostface. Fine. You want something original?

On Z-Day, I'M HEADING TO THE LIQUOR STORE!!!
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Post by Gun_Nut_2k1 » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:44 pm

Valarius wrote:Fine, Ghostface. Fine. You want something original?

On Z-Day, I'M HEADING TO THE LIQUOR STORE!!!
You know there is a little Liquor/gun store in Flagstaff...
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Post by TheLastRifleMan » Thu Sep 21, 2006 7:05 pm

I for one am grateful that Ghostface has stepped and has written this thread. Too many new members hear have a) not read the rules section or b) done a search to see if the same topic has been addressed. It seems like every spring and fall we get a new crop of those who think that their idea of raiding the local retail establishment is a new and original means to an easy and quick solution to thier survival needs in a crisis or disaster. Time and time again, recent events have shown us that this NOT a viable solution.

We have come here to learn from each other about a common subject we are all interested in. I have learned much and had once thought as some had. Reading with interests over the last 18 months has given me much more insight into a "survival" type crisis then I ever thought possible. I would encourage others to do the same and ask questions.

Again, thanks Ghostface. We needed this a long time ago!
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Post by sudaka » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:00 pm

again, great post!

the main idea here is that the common idea is the bad idea, and also, be original and go for the less crowded places.

as you can see all around the forum the idea in the paw is to go away from high populated areas, with good gear and supplies.

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Post by Andrea » Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:14 am

I will admit it, when I was the survival newb (not like I am the uber-survival person now, but you get my point) I often would think while standing in Sportsman's or the like of how it would be a great place to go to when the end of the world came. I mean, it would be a great place if you were the only ones left, but, like has been previously mentioned, everyone and their mother's will have the same exact idea and when it is a life or death situation, people do some unimaginable things.

Everyone has had some good recommendations. Stock up now in your house so that when something like this happens, you don't need to leave.

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Post by Clown Hunter D » Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:17 am

Funny, I never thought that raiding a store would be a good idea in the PAW, and (suprisingly) Dawn of the Dead is what made me think that way.

I seem to remember having this crazy idea that getting away from other people was the best idea. Actually, I still do. Go figure.

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Post by trickyasafox » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:00 am

just to throw an addendum on to this:

for everyone else who wants to 'bug out'

chances are your not gonna be alone there. if a really bad scenerio happens their is going to be a mass exodus from where ever you were, and many will find their way to where you want to be.

i'm a big advocate of 'buggin in'

ps- obviously your best bet is going to a casino! they are designed to keep people in and don't have windows :lol: :lol:

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Post by jimtanker » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:51 am

Simple solution:
Dont go to the Wallmart/Costco/Sams. Go to the Wallmart/Costco/Sams distrobution hub for your area. Thats where the big trucks come in and then distribute everything out to the stores. No shoppers there and ususally in a much easier to secure area.

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Post by Barghest » Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:17 pm

I never went for the raid the wal-mart plan, my personal beginning was holing up in schools.

They're everywhere around here, have cafeteria's well stocked with enough food to feed hundreds of students for weeks at a time, have water and milk if the power's not out, can be easily cordoned off using those nice metal gate things if you can get the janitorial keys (which should be inside the main janitors closet) and if you're lucky and the school has a second floor you don't have to worry about the windows. Also locker rooms, enough restrooms with water in the bowls (it's gross but can work, I'd recommend some sort of sterilization).

Also it's not that common of an idea and there's enough to go around if someone else gets the same idea. Not to mention I've always wanted to trash one of those places. :twisted:
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Post by bgaesop » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:54 pm

Thanks for stickying this, it's amazing the number of people who think this is a good idea.

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Post by scotszombiekilla100 » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:00 pm

another problem about going to Wal mart or some other big retail store is that you may need a bulldozer to clear a path through the car park!
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Post by AwPhuch » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:40 pm

I did an inpromput recon of my area today...the walgreens near my house is solid brick..the only windows in the place are little 2x3 windows 12 feet off the ground..the only entrance is the 6 foot wide doors at the front

The CVS pharmacy was a bit less secure (glass down to 4 feet) but with the shelves there was no way to see in, and once again..the only windows in the place was the small 6 foot sliding electronic door

Now after the initial onslaught, if you could clear one of them out it would be a pretty sturdy building

But I agree DURING the ZPAW I am hiding my ass off...let the waves of the running people draw them off, when things calm down and they are more spread out..then I will beat feet to somewhere more secure, no sence in waiding out DURING the battle, thats suicide!

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This one the glass is down to around 6 feet..mine the glass is 1/2 the size and 12 foot of brick wall!
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