The Coming Civil War

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by absinthe beginner » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:05 am

A thought-provoking article by Chris Hedges: "The Coming Collapse."

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-coming-collapse/

"As a foreign correspondent I covered collapsed societies, including the former Yugoslavia. It is impossible for any doomed population to grasp how fragile the decayed financial, social and political system is on the eve of implosion. All the harbingers of collapse are visible: crumbling infrastructure; chronic underemployment and unemployment; the indiscriminate use of lethal force by police; political paralysis and stagnation; an economy built on the scaffolding of debt; nihilistic mass shootings in schools, universities, workplaces, malls, concert venues and movie theaters; opioid overdoses that kill some 64,000 people a year; an epidemic of suicides; unsustainable military expansion; gambling as a desperate tool of economic development and government revenue; the capture of power by a tiny, corrupt clique; censorship; the physical diminishing of public institutions ranging from schools and libraries to courts and medical facilities; the incessant bombardment by electronic hallucinations to divert us from the depressing sight that has become America and keep us trapped in illusions. We suffer the usual pathologies of impending death. I would be happy to be wrong. But I have seen this before. I know the warning signs. All I can say is get ready."

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by MPMalloy » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:46 am

absinthe beginner wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:05 am
A thought-provoking article by Chris Hedges: "The Coming Collapse."

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-coming-collapse/

"As a foreign correspondent I covered collapsed societies, including the former Yugoslavia. It is impossible for any doomed population to grasp how fragile the decayed financial, social and political system is on the eve of implosion. All the harbingers of collapse are visible: crumbling infrastructure; chronic underemployment and unemployment; the indiscriminate use of lethal force by police; political paralysis and stagnation; an economy built on the scaffolding of debt; nihilistic mass shootings in schools, universities, workplaces, malls, concert venues and movie theaters; opioid overdoses that kill some 64,000 people a year; an epidemic of suicides; unsustainable military expansion; gambling as a desperate tool of economic development and government revenue; the capture of power by a tiny, corrupt clique; censorship; the physical diminishing of public institutions ranging from schools and libraries to courts and medical facilities; the incessant bombardment by electronic hallucinations to divert us from the depressing sight that has become America and keep us trapped in illusions. We suffer the usual pathologies of impending death. I would be happy to be wrong. But I have seen this before. I know the warning signs. All I can say is get ready."
Absinthe, this is a good article. Thank you.

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by RickOShea » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:34 pm

At least the tweets with the #secondcivilwarletters hashtag are entertaining....

Our espresso machine is broken and our supply of Starbucks singles is running thin. Our avocado ration is cut in half and there's a 10-minute wait for a charging port. Sherman was right: War Is Hell.
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War is hell. The Battle of Trader Joe's lasted many days. We lost half our battalion, some to enemy fire, some to the dreaded Covfefe virus. I still live, but for how much longer I do not know.

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I take pen to hand to write to tell you I am not well. We are bunkered down in Olive Garden with only breadsticks & house Chardonnay to sustain us. My heart is sorrowful, but my resolve is strong. No carbs. Not now. Not ever.

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The MAGA forces mounted a counter offensive and broke through our defenses at the mall. Their troops were overjoyed to capture the Chick-fil-A, which was followed by their great consternation when they realized it was Sunday.
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The war isn't going as planned. Our supply trucks are limited. I'm out of wine and sunscreen. The enemy burned all the books and there is no place to recharge my Kindle. The only music is an old CD of Justin Bieber. - All is lost.
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We are quartered at the beach for the night. The evening draws near as do the mosquitoes. I fear we are down to our last Citronella Yankee Candle, The uncertainty of using a Dollar Store substitute keeps us from sleep.

Pray, my dears.
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I beg you to dispatch a bank draft to the Verizon store to settle my outstanding account.

This sudden loss of communications has me fearing that this, The Battle of Chipotle, might be my last stand.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by Halfapint » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:22 pm

RickOShea wrote:
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At least the tweets with the #secondcivilwarletters hashtag are entertaining....
Quite harrowing! 20 minute wait for a charging port!
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by flybynight » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:17 am

absinthe beginner wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:05 am
A thought-provoking article by Chris Hedges: "The Coming Collapse."

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-coming-collapse/

"As a foreign correspondent I covered collapsed societies, including the former Yugoslavia. It is impossible for any doomed population to grasp how fragile the decayed financial, social and political system is on the eve of implosion. All the harbingers of collapse are visible: crumbling infrastructure; chronic underemployment and unemployment; the indiscriminate use of lethal force by police; political paralysis and stagnation; an economy built on the scaffolding of debt; nihilistic mass shootings in schools, universities, workplaces, malls, concert venues and movie theaters; opioid overdoses that kill some 64,000 people a year; an epidemic of suicides; unsustainable military expansion; gambling as a desperate tool of economic development and government revenue; the capture of power by a tiny, corrupt clique; censorship; the physical diminishing of public institutions ranging from schools and libraries to courts and medical facilities; the incessant bombardment by electronic hallucinations to divert us from the depressing sight that has become America and keep us trapped in illusions. We suffer the usual pathologies of impending death. I would be happy to be wrong. But I have seen this before. I know the warning signs. All I can say is get ready."
Yeah not so much. The author is a unrepentant socialist.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by absinthe beginner » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:20 am

Another perspective:Do Americans know how weird and extreme their collapse is getting?

(Cue Hunter S. Thompson: "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.")

https://eand.co/do-americans-know-how-w ... 7f3b6c73b3

"Here’s a tiny question. Do Americans know how extreme, bizarre, and weird American collapse is getting? How far off the charts it is? Forget the charts of “normal” — I mean the charts of history. Even the Dark Ages, ancient Rome, and the barbarians might laugh, astonished, at the backwardness of America in 2018. Doubt me? Indulge me — while I prove it."
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by absinthe beginner » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:23 am

Yeah not so much. The author is a unrepentant socialist.
I've read Chris Hedge's stuff for years, and think he's a brilliant thinker and rare journalist with integrity. So while I may not agree with him across the board - I'm more libertarian-conservative politically - I think it's paramount that regardless of where you are on the ideological spectrum, you make a point of seeking out a wide range of viewpoints and perspectives that might challenge (or modify) your previous assumptions and biases. Too many people these days seek out only information and insights that validate their own worldview.

"America the Failed State" is another thought-provoking article by Chris Hedges.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/ameri ... led-state/

"TORONTO—Our “corporate coup d’état in slow motion,” as the writer John Ralston Saul calls it, has opened a Pandora’s box of evils that is transforming America into a failed state. The “unholy trinity of corruption, impunity and violence,” he said, can no longer be checked. The ruling elites abjectly serve corporate power to exploit and impoverish the citizenry. Democratic institutions, including the courts, are mechanisms of corporate repression. Financial fraud and corporate crime are carried out with impunity. The decay is exacerbated by the state’s indiscriminate use of violence abroad and at home, where rogue law enforcement agencies harass and arrest citizens and the undocumented and often kill the unarmed. A depressed and enraged population, trapped by chronic unemployment and underemployment, is overdosing on opioids and beset by rising suicide rates. It engages in acts of nihilistic violence, including mass shootings. Hate groups proliferate. The savagery, mayhem and grotesque distortions familiar to those on the outer reaches of empire increasingly characterize American existence."

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by flybynight » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:14 pm

I agree information and viewpoints from different sources are imperative in order to gain a proper sense of what is actually happening . When the boards were down I spent a lot of time perusing different comment sections of news sites. It was frightening. And while I realize those areas are magnets for the enraged keyboard warriors , the fact that such things are being voiced in public forums fills me with dread. Not so much the threatened violence ( in my life experience most dogs are more bark than bite ) it's the political viewpoint a seemingly large portion of the citizens of the U.S promote. A viewpoint that is in complete contradiction to the rights protected by the Constitution. I can't say anything else about the content of the above article without getting political except that he weaves those viewpoints through an otherwise seemingly centrist narrative. I agree with his conclusion but not so much with his reasons we arrived at this point and his solutions to resolve it.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by raptor » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:19 pm

Folks , can we not cut and paste clearly political tomes. Put a link to and a political label on it but quoting the politics is being poltical.

The discussion of how to prepare and the impact of such events is ok. Posting the politics of it is not.

On a different note I have been reading up on the Spanish Civil War. It has some interesting lessons for winners, losers and non-combatants in a modern civil war.

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by absinthe beginner » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:17 pm

Raptor Moderator) said: The discussion of how to prepare and the impact of such events is ok. Posting the politics of it is not.
It's tough having a topic of discussion labeled "The Coming Civil War" without getting into cause and effect, or addressing the increasingly polarized and alienated political landscape that is driving such talk in the first place. A lot of writers like Chris Hedges make great points but then launch into screeds against TPTB that are attacks on the political status quo. So I will try to be more judicious about what I post WRT "civil war 2" material.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by MPMalloy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:26 pm

absinthe beginner wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:17 pm
The discussion of how to prepare and the impact of such events is ok. Posting the politics of it is not.
So, what's disaster(s)?

Riots, disorder, breakdown of public services? I'm kind of seeing a bit of a list here....

Probable vs Possible.

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by woodsghost » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:58 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:26 pm
absinthe beginner wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:17 pm
The discussion of how to prepare and the impact of such events is ok. Posting the politics of it is not.
So, what's disaster(s)?

Riots, disorder, breakdown of public services? I'm kind of seeing a bit of a list here....

Probable vs Possible.
Just my thoughts: probable/possible/likely are usually fine to discuss. "Good guys and bad guys" is where things quickly get devisive and break down. "Feelings" can be tricky, and often lead to "good guys and bad guys," but don't always.

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by Stercutus » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:41 pm

raptor wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:19 pm
I have been reading up on the Spanish Civil War. It has some interesting lessons for winners, losers and non-combatants in a modern civil war.
The Spanish Civil War of the 1930s was a continuation of a number of coups and rebellions. Seems every regional player had their hand in the pie to try to influence things. Internally there were a multitude of wealthy and powerful leaders who at times were opposed and at times aligned. The Communism vs. Fascism angle was played as a precursor to WWII but it was more like a lab experiment in how to stalemate your enemies through politics.

Riots, disorder, breakdown of public services? I'm kind of seeing a bit of a list here....
I am thinking a marked increase in kinetic attacks against institutions that represent things that have people upset. Could be political leaders, courts, government institutions, abortion clinics, ICE infrastructure buildings, media figures just about anything since people seem to be upset about nearly everything.
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Post by the_alias » Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:28 pm

raptor wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:19 pm
Folks , can we not cut and paste clearly political tomes. Put a link to and a political label on it but quoting the politics is being poltical.

The discussion of how to prepare and the impact of such events is ok. Posting the politics of it is not.
Strongly echoing this.

OK Example:

This article I read contained some interesting analysis of a "civil war" - it has politics in that I leave you as an adult to reserve judgement upon : LINK

Bad Example:

This article says "political excerpt" and I fully agree with this why don't you.

(Not saying anyone has done the bad example just pointing it out)

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Back on topic I did read something quite political and leaving the politics out of it essentially the argument is that we are already into a civil war and it's just less violent and has taken on new kinds of warfare: people loosing jobs /being doxxed/ harassed (on both sides). Was quite interesting.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by flybynight » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:22 am

Stercutus wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:41 pm
raptor wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:19 pm
I have been reading up on the Spanish Civil War. It has some interesting lessons for winners, losers and non-combatants in a modern civil war.
The Spanish Civil War of the 1930s was a continuation of a number of coups and rebellions. Seems every regional player had their hand in the pie to try to influence things. Internally there were a multitude of wealthy and powerful leaders who at times were opposed and at times aligned. The Communism vs. Fascism angle was played as a precursor to WWII but it was more like a lab experiment in how to stalemate your enemies through politics.

Riots, disorder, breakdown of public services? I'm kind of seeing a bit of a list here....
I am thinking a marked increase in kinetic attacks against institutions that represent things that have people upset. Could be political leaders, courts, government institutions, abortion clinics, ICE infrastructure buildings, media figures just about anything since people seem to be upset about nearly everything.
A sudden uptick in muders might be an indication that a civil war is going hot. Unless tokens of perpetrators political motive were left at the crime scene or otherwise made known. It might pass for ordinary crime. I think we've been lucky so far that the personal confrontations have not turned deadly.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by Stercutus » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:30 am

A sudden uptick in muders might be an indication that a civil war is going hot. Unless tokens of perpetrators political motive were left at the crime scene or otherwise made known. It might pass for ordinary crime.
It probably would not. Nearly all murders are either drug/ gang related or domestic violence. Most of the ones that are outside those lanes are either spillage or fallout (unintentional or during a robbery/ car jacking). One of the reasons that the murder of Seth Rich caught so much attention is that it was pretty far outside the norm. If campaign staffers started dying every day from botched robberies then that would be noticed right away, unless of course the police were behind it themselves.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by flybynight » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:29 am

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Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:30 am
A sudden uptick in muders might be an indication that a civil war is going hot. Unless tokens of perpetrators political motive were left at the crime scene or otherwise made known. It might pass for ordinary crime.
It probably would not. Nearly all murders are either drug/ gang related or domestic violence. Most of the ones that are outside those lanes are either spillage or fallout (unintentional or during a robbery/ car jacking). One of the reasons that the murder of Seth Rich caught so much attention is that it was pretty far outside the norm. If campaign staffers started dying every day from botched robberies then that would be noticed right away, unless of course the police were behind it themselves.
I'm not understanding what your point is. Are you saying a sudden uptick of murders with unknown motives would automatically be an indication to police that it was a politically motivated crime ?
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by Stercutus » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:34 am

flybynight wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:29 am
Stercutus wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:30 am
A sudden uptick in muders might be an indication that a civil war is going hot. Unless tokens of perpetrators political motive were left at the crime scene or otherwise made known. It might pass for ordinary crime.
It probably would not. Nearly all murders are either drug/ gang related or domestic violence. Most of the ones that are outside those lanes are either spillage or fallout (unintentional or during a robbery/ car jacking). One of the reasons that the murder of Seth Rich caught so much attention is that it was pretty far outside the norm. If campaign staffers started dying every day from botched robberies then that would be noticed right away, unless of course the police were behind it themselves.
I'm not understanding what your point is. Are you saying a sudden uptick of murders with unknown motives would automatically be an indication to police that it was a politically motivated crime ?
No, but something would be amiss especially If they were political or controversial figures. Often times when a murder is pure politics the group responsible will want to claim responsibility. If there is no group or no claim then it becomes more of a mystery.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by flybynight » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:23 am

I think we've been lucky so far that the personal confrontations have not turned deadly.................


A sudden uptick in murders of ordinary citizens might be an indication that a civil war is going hot. Unless tokens of perpetrators political motive were left at the crime scene or otherwise made known. It might pass for an ordinary crime of no known motive.

I wasn't very clear
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Continue to prep, but whatever you do find a copy of this new book.

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Post by absinthe beginner » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:04 am

Continue to prep, but whatever you do find a copy of this new book.
That "new book" was written in the early '70s and claimed The Rapture (and Great Tribulation) were imminent.

Still waiting (drums fingernails)...

People who take the Book of Revelations at face value have been saying the End is Near since about 1666 (read about how Europe went nuts in that year thinking the advent of the Anti-Christ was at hand).

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by JeeperCreeper » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:43 pm

So with the forum being down for a little while, I hopped back on social media to waste my internet time...

...I must say, twitter and facebook were always full of degenerates talking trash, but even educated, prominent, respectable, hard-working people are spewing some vile propaganda and hate filled rhetoric.

On ALL sides... there are some new political groups popping up that have morphed into others.

After logging back on to facebook, I immediately started loading ammo and packing bags... it's getting rough out there folks
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Post by NT2C » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:42 pm

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After logging back on to facebook, I immediately started loading ammo and packing bags... it's getting rough out there folks
Shouldn't that have already been done? We are preppers, are we not?
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