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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by Stercutus » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:36 pm

Stupid wins again. Maybe even brain damaged according to family.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by FlashDaddy » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:50 pm

U.S. senator says U.S. is getting close to Rwanda-like tribal warfare...

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/29/politi ... cnn.com%2F
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by Stercutus » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:00 pm

I found this a good read.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ignore-n ... 28021.html

We are drowning in yellow journalism these days. Much like back in the Hearst/ Pulitzer days. They were all doing it but those were the heavies.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by teotwaki » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:43 am

flybynight wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:03 am
Whether the bombs were real or fake. No mater if it was a false flag event by democrats to gain the upper hand in the coming mid terms or if was just some dumb Republican (s) doing what he(they) thought was good for the country only increases my uneasiness for the coming weeks(months) and makes me think we've inched that much closer to civil war.
If it was an actual false flag op then we are already screwed because any civil war would be orchestrated for the purposes of consolidating power.

As it is I believe it was a dumb$hit who didn't need much money or brains to mail out homemade pipe bombs. A truly smart person would have come up with something better and not be so easily caught.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by Evan the Diplomat » Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:35 pm

It was well established by FBI Director Christopher Wray that the IEDs mailed to various persons and news outlets were real and dangerous. 26 October 2018. “Though we’re still analyzing the devices in our laboratory, these are not hoax devices.”

Here are two of the multiple stories corroborating that point.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fbi-directo ... x-devices/

https://video.foxnews.com/v/58539375640 ... show-clips
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by aikorob » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:06 am

just to add to the conspiracy/ff thinking :
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=234445

given the history of shenanigans from the fibbies; without independent verification, I wouldn't believe them if they said the sky was blue
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by Stercutus » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:59 am

aikorob wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:06 am
just to add to the conspiracy/ff thinking :
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=234445

given the history of shenanigans from the fibbies; without independent verification, I wouldn't believe them if they said the sky was blue

Whoever wrote that does not really understand how the postal system works.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by TacAir » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:31 pm

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/us-bomb-data-center
ATF site cover criminal bombings - more common than you might think. Mostly because most coverage is both local and most are - these days - drug/criminal related activity.

'Latest' data (2014) https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs/rep ... t/download

CWII? Nah,mostly - just criminals.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by flybynight » Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:22 pm

TacAir wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:31 pm
https://www.atf.gov/explosives/us-bomb-data-center
ATF site cover criminal bombings - more common than you might think. Mostly because most coverage is both local and most are - these days - drug/criminal related activity.

'Latest' data (2014) https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs/rep ... t/download

CWII? Nah,mostly - just criminals.
So in the four years leading to the Civil war there wasn't any more violence than the years before four years?
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by TacAir » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:27 pm

flybynight wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:22 pm
TacAir wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:31 pm
https://www.atf.gov/explosives/us-bomb-data-center
ATF site cover criminal bombings - more common than you might think. Mostly because most coverage is both local and most are - these days - drug/criminal related activity.

'Latest' data (2014) https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs/rep ... t/download

CWII? Nah,mostly - just criminals.
So in the four years leading to the Civil war there wasn't any more violence than the years before four years?
Sorry for being obtuse - thought it was obvious...

The FedGov dept responsible for bombs is 4 YEARS behind on their data....hard to tell if things are getting better or going down the drain.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by absinthe beginner » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:21 am

Another "Is Civil War coming?" article.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/what- ... 2018-11-07

Is the United States on the brink of a new civil war?

According to Newsweek magazine’s polling, a third of all Americans think such a conflict could break out within the next five years, with 10% thinking it “very likely to happen.” Plenty of experts agree. Back in March, State Department official Keith Mines told Foreign Policy magazine: “It is like 1859, everyone is mad about something and everyone has a gun.” He rated the odds of a second American Civil War breaking out within the next 10-15 years at 60%.

October’s awful events — pipe bombs sent to leading Democratic politicians and supporters, the mass shooting at a synagogue in Pittsburgh — have only amplified these fears. “We are now nearing a point comparable to 1860,” my Stanford University colleague Victor Davis Hanson recently wrote in the National Review.

The historian Niall Ferguson, another Stanford colleague, suggested in The Sunday Times of London that if someone were to design a “Civil War Clock” comparable to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists’ “Doomsday Clock,” the designer would probably now be announcing that it is “two minutes to Fort Sumter.”

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by woodsghost » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:10 am

Not every one has a gun. Only a select portion, tending towards Rural, and having some other elements. But I think this popped the relief valve on the civil war fears with a divided Congress.

Time will tell, and I think de- Federalizing issues and pushing things to the State level will further lower tensions. There are those who insist their views must be imposed on the whole country. They will continue to be an issue. But I think if we can get the country on board with "local laws reflecting local values" we will move in a safe direction.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by Stercutus » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:10 pm

TacAir wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:31 pm
https://www.atf.gov/explosives/us-bomb-data-center
ATF site cover criminal bombings - more common than you might think. Mostly because most coverage is both local and most are - these days - drug/criminal related activity.

'Latest' data (2014) https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs/rep ... t/download

CWII? Nah,mostly - just criminals.
Whoah, wait a second you are saying there might be a link between crime and drugs? Easy there Lone Ranger lets not jump to conclusions of the obvious.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by Stercutus » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:33 am

The attacks on the media are getting more violent and organized. Not that the mail bombs weren't violent but they were lone wolf and had no effect.

Now they are terror gangs are organizing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/antifa ... -s-n934131
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by raptor » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:45 am

The gang that did this has been around for quite a while. They have a publicly stated agenda of violence, hatred and intolerance to anyone who disagrees with them.
The scary part is that more people mbrace and cheer them on.

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by MPMalloy » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:41 am

Stercutus wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:33 am
The attacks on the media are getting more violent and organized. Not that the mail bombs weren't violent but they were lone wolf and had no effect.

Now they are terror gangs are organizing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/antifa ... -s-n934131
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:45 am
The gang that did this has been around for quite a while. They have a publicly stated agenda of violence, hatred and intolerance to anyone who disagrees with them.
The scary part is that more people embrace and cheer them on.
How is it that we end up the nutburgers? :?

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by TacAir » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:06 am

I don't see a "Civil War" per se - that is to say an armed conflict between well defined groups. Please note my use of the word "Armed". It may not matter....

To be a bit more precise - James Fearon, a scholar of civil wars at Stanford University, defines a civil war as "a violent conflict within a country fought by organized groups that aim to take power at the center or in a region, or to change government policies".

Let me parse this definition :

a violent conflict within a country.
The US has been facing what is IMO, a "low order" type of ongoing warfare in major cities for decades. I've noted this in many threads over the last couple of years.

A slow motion riot might come close to describe the issue set, but things can shift from 'slow-motion' to burning buildings is less than a few hours. This is nothing new, it has been, to some degree, seen in the US since 1948 or even 1943, depending on how you wish to frame the situation. |
What is different is both the breadth of the 'conflict' and the sheer number of 'players' in the conflict.
Gang-bangers anyone? They may be the least of your worries.

fought by organized groups -
you can't tell the players without a program.
List of criminal enterprises, gangs and syndicates - see Wikipedia
List of gangs in the United States - see Wikipedia - nothing new here, just a lot more, and more splinter groups to make up the mass.
Oh, just in case
Militia organizations in the United States - see Wikipedia fringe lunatic or not, they exist.

and of course
List of designated terrorist groups - yup, Wikipedia again

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that aim to take power at the center or in a region,
List of active separatist movements in North America - Wikipedia
yup, already here and active for decades

or to change government policies.
The Voter's Self Defense System
yup, also been here for decades - and nothing new. Folks call 'em "Special Interest groups" but they aim to change the Government - no matter if you agree or like/or not.-


So when people talk about the "next Civil War" I ask, what about the one we are in right now?

Maybe it is because I write 'disaster fiction' that I see things differently, can't say. But what I do see is the accelerating of the forces driving the shredding of a once peaceful Nation/society.

I do fear for my children and grandchildren..... All I can really do - is pray.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by woodsghost » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:13 am

Why do these violent groups exist?

We get angry and fail to tamp down on those who do what we would like to do, but is illegal. Or unethical. Further, when people feel issues are moral imparatives and those moral imparatives need to be enforced through the government rather than through cultural change (which takes time & effort), we get these extreamist groups. We get violence.

America has mechanisms for legal and cultural change without violence. The choice to use violence shows impatience and a lack of respect for existing mechanisms. This lack of respect and impatiance comes, I suspect, from a history of subverting the normal mechanisms of change and being applauded for it. The old ways would still work if the users of violence would measure their timetables in years or decades, but they do not want to do that. Violence, IMO, is the choice of those who cannot change a system, or are too impatient to use the existing mechanisms. Patience really is a virtue.

I'll guess some people are also high on their own propaganda and have no real awareness of what real war and real violence looks like. They have no idea what hurt they are courting and feel their actions are justifed in defense of what they feel are moral causes. I suspect if they knew the pain they courted they would back off.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by NT2C » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:26 am

MPMalloy wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:41 am
Stercutus wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:33 am
The attacks on the media are getting more violent and organized. Not that the mail bombs weren't violent but they were lone wolf and had no effect.

Now they are terror gangs are organizing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/antifa ... -s-n934131
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:45 am
The gang that did this has been around for quite a while. They have a publicly stated agenda of violence, hatred and intolerance to anyone who disagrees with them.
The scary part is that more people embrace and cheer them on.
How is it that we end up the nutburgers? :?
"We" who? I don't understand your statement.
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by MPMalloy » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:11 pm

NT2C wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:26 am
MPMalloy wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:41 am
Stercutus wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:33 am
The attacks on the media are getting more violent and organized. Not that the mail bombs weren't violent but they were lone wolf and had no effect.

Now they are terror gangs are organizing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/antifa ... -s-n934131
raptor wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:45 am
The gang that did this has been around for quite a while. They have a publicly stated agenda of violence, hatred and intolerance to anyone who disagrees with them.
The scary part is that more people embrace and cheer them on.
How is it that we end up the nutburgers? :?
"We" who? I don't understand your statement.
We = Preppers.

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by NT2C » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:24 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:11 pm
NT2C wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:26 am
MPMalloy wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:41 am
Stercutus wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:33 am
The attacks on the media are getting more violent and organized. Not that the mail bombs weren't violent but they were lone wolf and had no effect.

Now they are terror gangs are organizing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/antifa ... -s-n934131
raptor wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:45 am
The gang that did this has been around for quite a while. They have a publicly stated agenda of violence, hatred and intolerance to anyone who disagrees with them.
The scary part is that more people embrace and cheer them on.
How is it that we end up the nutburgers? :?
"We" who? I don't understand your statement.
We = Preppers.
Okay, my brain doesn't seem to be making the connection that yours is, despite two full mugs of coffee. How does any of that link to preppers?
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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by raptor » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:48 pm

Bear in mind a violent political group that engages in violence is after only power/control. They seek power only for its most base reason, control.

They may claim to want any number of things; typically it is the reverse of reality. For instance during the French Revolution the Comité de salut public (Committee for Public Safety) was responsible for anything but public safety.

That is the case with the above group. Odds are whatever name they adopt, their true intent is likely to be the opposite of whatever they call themselves.

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by MPMalloy » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:14 pm

NT2C: Hmmm... People say Preppers are nuts & after looking around I see no shortage of evidence to the contrary.

They really look like fucking whack-a-doodles to me.

Makin' any sense?

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Re: The Coming Civil War

Post by NT2C » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:28 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:14 pm
NT2C: Hmmm... People say Preppers are nuts & after looking around I see no shortage of evidence to the contrary.

They really look like fucking whack-a-doodles to me.

Makin' any sense?
Ah, now it makes sense! I thought you were saying this group was somehow linked to prepping.
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