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From CNBC: Meet the doomsday prepper making millions selling bomb shelters to people afraid of Trump
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Clyde Scott didn't expect to be so busy or so popular. He started building underground bunkers during the Obama administration for clients who feared the government would take away their property and their guns.

But the election of Donald Trump only increased business by bringing him a new clientele — Californians and New Yorkers afraid of nuclear war.

"We've had liberals coming out of the woodwork to protect themselves," the 38-year-old Texan said. Right after Trump's election, "business went out the roof. I'd say 500 to 700 percent in one month."

The change has not gone unnoticed. Scott has become famous for his bunker manufacturing facility called Rising S Company (named for Jesus Christ, "the rising Son"). He's appeared in major newspapers and on network television.

Clyde Scott turned a storm shelter business into a multimillion dollar bunker business.

His multimillion-dollar bunkers equipped with lap pools and gun rooms have become subplots for popular TV shows like Showtime's "Billions."

Tabloids even report he's building a bunker for Kanye West and Kim Kardashian, something Scott won't talk about. "What's really important about having your shelter is the secrecy of it."

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The idea of building bunkers that can survive a nuclear bomb was supposed to be a niche business for Scott, who already made a decent living building storm shelters. Eight years ago, a woman asked him to build a really big storm shelter.

"I'm like, 'What do you mean by really big?'

"She's like, 'I want it 40 feet in length.'"

Scott realized that wasn't a shelter; that was a bunker. He expanded his steel fabrication capabilities to accommodate her. "Before I finished that one, someone else had ordered one. Before I finished that next one, someone else ordered one."

Clients can customize the interiors of the bunkers.

Scott eventually took $3 million from his storm shelter business and poured it into creating the bunker company.

The new venture fit Scott's personality. "I was raised as a prepper," he said. "Nuclear war was always coming."

He remains concerned that war is imminent, that an attack will take down the grid, that stores will soon be cleared of food and supplies, and that people will turn on each other. "We are the longest living government in the history of the world without a complete collapse, the United States," Scott said solemnly. "It's our time."

Clyde Scott said business has increased more than 500 percent since President Trump was elected.

It's also his time. Rising S has a backlog of work stretching out more than a year. The most popular bunker he sells measures 500 square feet and costs $125,000. It's set 11 feet underground and topped by four feet of dirt and one foot of concrete.

Inside are bedrooms, bathrooms, a kitchen, pantry, along with an air filtration system, solar power, hidden doors, reinforced locks, and water purifiers that connect to an underground tank. Everything is off the grid, and everything is made from stainless steel.

"I've put in more tunnels and underground bunkers than El Chapo," he said.

Scott said his biggest mistake was not expanding quickly early on. "I woke up one day, and I told my wife: 'I really need to buy a new machine — it was for breaking metal — but it's $40,000."

He wasn't sure he should take the risk. His wife asked him about his backlog, and Scott said he had four months' work. "She's like, 'Then why wouldn't you buy it?' I was like, 'I don't know, I'm scared every day that business isn't going to grow.'"

In 2017, revenues topped $9 million, says Scott, and he's negotiating with a celebrity to build a single bunker worth more than $10 million.

The most expensive bunkers Rising S builds often double as elaborate man caves for their wealthy owners.

"I'm working on one right now in California, for example, that you pull into a metal building, you hit a button, and the elevator lets your car down and you drive into your shelter," Scott said. "I've done a shelter for a dentist, and the entire theme for his bunker was to literally go hide from his wife and get drunk."

Rising S recently saw a 65 percent jump in units sold, in large part due to a new market for smaller bunkers in Japan. Scott's also increased the size of his two manufacturing facilities and boosted employment as he takes on more defense work—work he is not at liberty to describe. Scott said he's been offered hundreds of thousands of dollars to franchise the business, but he's turned the money down, preferring to retain complete control. "This is supposed to save someone's life. If it doesn't do its job, the casualty is going to be death."

There's only one thing that Scott believes could ruin business: a peaceful world. But he thinks that's unlikely. "The more politicians talk, the busier I get."

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Doesn't matter who is in office, people fear something and some dumb schmuck genius will make money off of it. I applaud this man, good job keep the money rolling just don't forget to save!

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I'm fascinated by this guy and very interested in the fact that concern over the future is crossing party lines. Personally I'd bet some on the Right are also concerned with nuclear war. But I'm guessing most on the Right who could afford bunkers have already bought them.

I'm also interested in the idea of a "celebrity bunker maker." And I also see allusions to Vault Tec if we see more brand name bunkers in the future.

We live in interesting times!

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I'm fascinated by this guy and very interested in the fact that concern over the future is crossing party lines. Personally I'd bet some on the Right are also concerned with nuclear war. But I'm guessing most on the Right who could afford bunkers have already bought them.

I'm also interested in the idea of a "celebrity bunker maker." And I also see allusions to Vault Tec if we see more brand name bunkers in the future.

We live in interesting times!


I posted about this in the firearms thread. I've got a LOT of people on the left of the political spectrum. I don't advertise that I have firearms but if you're a friend you probably know that I have some. I have been absolutely bombarded by friends asking me to take them shooting and to teach them firearm safety. Many of these people have always been very ANTI gun, who are now warming up to the possibility of shooting and even owning.

Interesting times indeed.

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Year after year, accidental death ranks around #3 in America for leading causes of death.
Come on people, let's put an end to these accidental deaths.
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It's all about the narrative...marketing.
Nothing sells like fear and sex.

Watch. Does the real data match with what you were taught?

Poland. Wow. 1 in 6.
The world, your country, your school, your home: probably safer than any time in history.
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Asymetryczna wrote:
The world, your country, your school, your home: probably safer than any time in history.
Control the environment. Control the rat.


^THIS!

And historically you are correct, we are living in the safest/most peaceful time in history. Hell even firearm homicides are at some of the historical lows. Violent crime in general has dropped from it's peak in '93.

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Asymetryczna wrote:
Year after year, accidental death ranks around #3 in America for leading causes of death.
Come on people, let's put an end to these accidental deaths.
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It's all about the narrative...marketing.
Nothing sells like fear and sex.

Watch. Does the real data match with what you were taught?

Poland. Wow. 1 in 6.
The world, your country, your school, your home: probably safer than any time in history.
Control the environment. Control the rat.
Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. Thank you Asymetryczna!

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And historically you are correct, we are living in the safest/most peaceful time in history. Hell even firearm homicides are at some of the historical lows. Violent crime in general has dropped from it's peak in '93.


Eh... Big uptick the last couple of years with opiod uptick. 8.6% in 2016 and 4.8% in 2017. But nothing like the heyday of crack, at least not yet. But if you don't get involved in a life of drug crime your chances of dying young plummet.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/th ... 1980-peak/

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Asymetryczna wrote:
Year after year, accidental death ranks around #3 in America for leading causes of death.
Come on people, let's put an end to these accidental deaths.
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It's all about the narrative...marketing.
Nothing sells like fear and sex.

Watch. Does the real data match with what you were taught?

Poland. Wow. 1 in 6.
The world, your country, your school, your home: probably safer than any time in history.
Control the environment. Control the rat.


Thank you so much for sharing this! Just a brilliant piece of film-making that demonstrates its points in such an elegantly striking way. Not to de-rail the OP further, but have you seen the sequel? Have trouble posting links to anything in this forum, not sure why, so that's why it isn't here. It was good as well, though a bit less striking. Guess he is making a series.

To refer to the OP, I think the "Long Peace" we've had between major powers is part of the reason some people are getting antsy and doing things like building shelters as much as it is current events. I've had some conversations in which people state that human nature is conflict-driven and questioning that any major peace can last. Like a winning gambling streak we think will just last forever, which is impossible. Plus, the idea that with nuclear capability, the fallout (pun intended) from any such future conflict would just be completely devastating (he references/outlines this in the second video). Add to that the fact that every living creature on this Earth naturally focuses on potential threats more than positives as a survival mechanism and news plays on this natural tendency for ratings and you have a whole lotta freaked out people.

That being said, I don't think the idea of peace as a gambling streak we're pressing our luck on takes into account a number of factors. Lowered conflict, crime, etc. isn't just a "stroke of luck" or random. Feels like people perceive it that way sometimes. It is hard-won and comes from constant efforts on a political, military, and civilian level. But, that's my 50 cents on the matter ('cause this response was way longer than I anticipated, lol) :wink:

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Thanks. "Hard won" is correct from where I stand. And yes, I have watched the other(s). The use of hard data as illustration, along with the sound effect of what, chips falling where they may, seems to make one think with less of the emotional attachment. I thought that people interested would explore further on their own but in case some are using other types of computers (like the handhelds some people still call a phone) to read I will provide a link here as well:

The Nuclear Threat:The Shadow Peace

or one can just search for Fallen.IO

I've read that there were many that dropped dead (Heart attack? Stroke?) in Rome's churches as they listened to the clock chiming midnight in the last seconds of 999, 1999 AD. I'd imagine there were troves of others that had stored heritage seeds in special storage bins in case everything went awry at the dawn of that new millennium. Always, there has been fear of something; although I am not certain whether it is part of the human condition or of human nature.

It does sell well though. Listen carefully to your next news report. Between the commercials (the means), the reports that you hear (info) will be pushing one thing (fear), much more than anything else and we are hard-wired to hear it.

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I've read that there were many that dropped dead (Heart attack? Stroke?) in Rome's churches as they listened to the clock chiming midnight in the last seconds of 999 AD.


What clocks? hour glass? Water clock? Sun dial?

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I've read that there were many that dropped dead (Heart attack? Stroke?) in Rome's churches as they listened to the clock chiming midnight in the last seconds of 999 AD.
What clocks? hour glass? Water clock? Sun dial?
'Prolly church bells. :crazy:

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These videos are ab-so-lutely A-MAZ-ING! :awesome:

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Thanks. Missed a digit.

More than a thousand years ago, all Europe was gripped by a heart-chilling fear. Soon, too soon, it would be midnight, 31 December 999

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This is not to discuss your memberships, but to make you think about fear.

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I've read that there were many that dropped dead (Heart attack? Stroke?) in Rome's churches as they listened to the clock chiming midnight in the last seconds of 999 AD.


What clocks? hour glass? Water clock? Sun dial?


Great question!

Clocks with bells are pretty old.

A Buddhist monk named Yi Xing made the first mechanical clock model in 725 A.D. Yi Xing made the clock to assist him in the creation of a calendar. Dripping water powered a wheel inside the clock, and a bell chimed each hour.

The earliest clocks in Europe were large and weight-driven, and built into towers.

What makes a mechanical clock is a mechanism called an escapement -- the balance wheel on a watch or the pendulum on a grandfather's clock. An escapement ticks in a steady rhythm and lets the gears move forward in a series of little equal jumps.

tThe first escapement was the verge and foliot mechanism . The foliot is a horizontal bar with weights on either end. It sits on a vertical rod, called a verge. The verge has pallets to engage and release the main gear which is turned by a heavy stone on the end of a cable.

The verge nudges the foliot back and forth in an inertial rhythm, and that determines the pace of the gear train. It was complex and very creative, but when did it come about? We don't really know because its importance wasn't apparent at first. People who wrote about early clocks couldn't see that the escapement was not just an incremental improvement on the water clock. Rather, it was a whole new technology and a whole new metaphor.

French architect Villard de Honnecourt described the first escapement we know about in AD 1250; but he didn't yet use it to control a clock. Instead, he built a kind of almost-clock -- a gadget that steadily pointed at the sun as it moved across the sky.

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I tried to remember where I heard people suggesting new and innovative products to protect you from your fears. One in particular, The House Bag, stayed in my head and I was finally able to find where I first heard about it.

Bruce Schneier’s Blog is worth looking though, as well.

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