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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-3 ... g-prepared

In talking with American clients about their need to prepare themselves for the upcoming socio-economic/political upheaval in their country, my advice to them primarily revolves around the concept that, if you’re living in a bad neighbourhood, the obvious solution is to leave.

Many choose to do just that. Those who have limited funds seek out employment in a country that’s less likely to be dramatically impacted than their home country. Those who are a bit more well-heeled generally liquidate what they can in their home country and forward the proceeds to one where the economy and socio-political situation are more stable - and one where the rights of the individual are more greatly respected.

They then convert their wealth into a more protectable form, by buying real estate in such countries and, particularly, by converting wealth into precious metals and storing it in a top-rate facility in the chosen country.

If they can afford it, they additionally rent or purchase a home and acquire the right to residency in such a country so that, if their home country suddenly becomes less liveable, they can simply pack a carry-on and be on a plane that day.

However, far more individuals say something to the effect that “I’m too invested in where I am. I’ll make a stand right here. Let the bastards come and get me if they want to. I’ve got plenty of guns and ammunition.”

This position is, of course, very manly. It smacks of the protection of home and family. And, like John Wayne in his role as Davy Crockett at the Alamo, it has a truly patriotic ring to it.

Of course, it’s also true that Davy Crockett died at the Alamo, along with all those who fought alongside him. (Not at all a positive outcome.)


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Nope. But I might apply some of Tyler Durden's teachings to the warnings I expect to read in "The Late Great Planet Earth" when it is published in the Spring of 1970. One could just as easily write "upcoming era of prosperity," or "soon-to-be-seen ups and downs in an open market," or "really bad event followed by a really good event and then some smaller bad events followed by smaller really good events." ...and there was no new thing under the sun.

I do agree with leaving the a any bad neighborhood.

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So is the implication here that America as a whole is a 'bad neighborhood'? Strikes me as a rather self serving position to take, that anyone who doesn't secure overseas employment, or at least invests in overseas holdings/residency is somehow a fool. That's how I read that smug reference to a patriotic Davy Crockett dying at the Alamo.

Starting with the premise that a near earth object could conceivably wipe out all life anywhere on the planet, everyone has to make their own assessment of what risks are reasonably worth preparing for.

If that risk assessment involves scenarios short of literally abandoning your country forever, I certainly wouldn't consider that to be foolish.

If people want to do what that article proposes, they are free to do so and have my leave to say 'I told you so' if such a dire contingency comes to pass. But that level of preparation is both inordinately expensive and requires a certain level of paranoia that I do not possess.

I'd also add that if such a severe socio/economic collapse occurs in one's country, it's an open question whether or not it would also be occurring in whatever country one plans to retreat to as an expatriate. Or if travel to such a place would be particularly easy even possible in such circumstances.

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absinthe beginner wrote:
---snip---This position is, of course, very manly. It smacks of the protection of home and family. And, like John Wayne in his role as Davy Crockett at the Alamo, it has a truly patriotic ring to it.

Of course, it’s also true that Davy Crockett died at the Alamo, along with all those who fought alongside him. (Not at all a positive outcome.)


Even a cursory read of the impact of the Battle Of The Alamo shows that former Congressman Crocket's sacrifice contributed greatly to the revolution's success, a very positive outcome :

For the Texans, the Battle of the Alamo became a symbol of heroic resistance and a rallying cry in their struggle for independence. On April 21, 1836, Sam Houston and some 800 Texans defeated Santa Anna’s Mexican force of 1,500 men at San Jacinto (near the site of present-day Houston), shouting “Remember the Alamo!” as they attacked. The victory ensured the success of Texan independence: Santa Anna, who had been taken prisoner, came to terms with Houston to end the war. In May, Mexican troops in San Antonio were ordered to withdraw, and to demolish the Alamo’s fortifications as they went.

In 1845, the United States annexed Texas.

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I couldn't understand it either. I always try to determine an agenda if I am unsure, and look for what is being sold. Since reading about Henny Penny in the 1st grade, I have never trusted people (or chickens) that say the "sky is falling."

(As an aside, the music Crockett and his lads would have heard at dawn on that last day was both beautiful and chilling:
[YouTube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsSBC02irr4[/YouTube]

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There's an inverse relationship between the number of people affected by and event and the likelihood of it happening.

Job loss, cancer, car Break down- likely

Civil war, pandemic - much less likely.

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You know this reminds me a question I asked when I was a kid. I asked why there were homeless people in the much colder northern states. I mean freezing to death in Buffalo, Chicago, Detroit must be a real worry for them. Not to mention sickness from all the bad weather. Why don't all the homeless move to Florida and Southern California. The weather's almost always nice and you could sleep on the beach. The answer is resources. I know what the resources are in my area. I know who I can count on and who I can't. Where to get food and medical care. Basically it boils down to- Better the devil you know.






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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-30/what-you-call-being-prepared

In talking with American clients about their need to prepare themselves for the upcoming socio-economic/political upheaval in their country, my advice to them primarily revolves around the concept that, if you’re living in a bad neighbourhood, the obvious solution is to leave.

Many choose to do just that. Those who have limited funds seek out employment in a country that’s less likely to be dramatically impacted than their home country. Those who are a bit more well-heeled generally liquidate what they can in their home country and forward the proceeds to one where the economy and socio-political situation are more stable - and one where the rights of the individual are more greatly respected.

They then convert their wealth into a more protectable form, by buying real estate in such countries and, particularly, by converting wealth into precious metals and storing it in a top-rate facility in the chosen country.

If they can afford it, they additionally rent or purchase a home and acquire the right to residency in such a country so that, if their home country suddenly becomes less liveable, they can simply pack a carry-on and be on a plane that day.

However, far more individuals say something to the effect that “I’m too invested in where I am. I’ll make a stand right here. Let the bastards come and get me if they want to. I’ve got plenty of guns and ammunition.”

This position is, of course, very manly. It smacks of the protection of home and family. And, like John Wayne in his role as Davy Crockett at the Alamo, it has a truly patriotic ring to it.

Of course, it’s also true that Davy Crockett died at the Alamo, along with all those who fought alongside him. (Not at all a positive outcome.)

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teotwaki wrote:
absinthe beginner wrote:
---snip---This position is, of course, very manly. It smacks of the protection of home and family. And, like John Wayne in his role as Davy Crockett at the Alamo, it has a truly patriotic ring to it.

Of course, it’s also true that Davy Crockett died at the Alamo, along with all those who fought alongside him. (Not at all a positive outcome.)


Even a cursory read of the impact of the Battle Of The Alamo shows that former Congressman Crocket's sacrifice contributed greatly to the revolution's success, a very positive outcome :

For the Texans, the Battle of the Alamo became a symbol of heroic resistance and a rallying cry in their struggle for independence. On April 21, 1836, Sam Houston and some 800 Texans defeated Santa Anna’s Mexican force of 1,500 men at San Jacinto (near the site of present-day Houston), shouting “Remember the Alamo!” as they attacked. The victory ensured the success of Texan independence: Santa Anna, who had been taken prisoner, came to terms with Houston to end the war. In May, Mexican troops in San Antonio were ordered to withdraw, and to demolish the Alamo’s fortifications as they went.

In 1845, the United States annexed Texas.


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It’s entirely possible that authorities will go door-to-door, neighbourhood to neighbourhood, to confiscate provisions and weaponry. If you see personnel carriers loaded with SWAT teams, who then approach your door quietly, but armed, are you really going to throw open the door and start blazing away, or are you going to recognize that giving up your weapons is better than certain death?


If this happens, it is your duty as an American citizen to resist in whatever way you can. And if you should be killed , take your place with countless other Americans like Davey Crocket who stood their ground to allow other Americans the chance for Liberty. If they came to my door I doubtless would not be the first. But I could be the last.

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Having had the opportunity to live (not just visit, live and work) a lot of place around the world, I've made the decision to live where I do - despite the many issues presented.

Because no matter how shitty my neighborhood might seem to you Mr Zero Hedge guy, it beats the living snot out of every other place I've been/lived.

Just the same, if this place gets really out of hand, I'm prepared to move again. I've done it enough.

Of course, I must add the mandatory YMMV.

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flybynight wrote:
teotwaki wrote:
absinthe beginner wrote:
---snip---This position is, of course, very manly. It smacks of the protection of home and family. And, like John Wayne in his role as Davy Crockett at the Alamo, it has a truly patriotic ring to it.

Of course, it’s also true that Davy Crockett died at the Alamo, along with all those who fought alongside him. (Not at all a positive outcome.)


Even a cursory read of the impact of the Battle Of The Alamo shows that former Congressman Crocket's sacrifice contributed greatly to the revolution's success, a very positive outcome :

For the Texans, the Battle of the Alamo became a symbol of heroic resistance and a rallying cry in their struggle for independence. On April 21, 1836, Sam Houston and some 800 Texans defeated Santa Anna’s Mexican force of 1,500 men at San Jacinto (near the site of present-day Houston), shouting “Remember the Alamo!” as they attacked. The victory ensured the success of Texan independence: Santa Anna, who had been taken prisoner, came to terms with Houston to end the war. In May, Mexican troops in San Antonio were ordered to withdraw, and to demolish the Alamo’s fortifications as they went.

In 1845, the United States annexed Texas.


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It’s entirely possible that authorities will go door-to-door, neighbourhood to neighbourhood, to confiscate provisions and weaponry. If you see personnel carriers loaded with SWAT teams, who then approach your door quietly, but armed, are you really going to throw open the door and start blazing away, or are you going to recognize that giving up your weapons is better than certain death?


If this happens, it is your duty as an American citizen to resist in whatever way you can. And if you should be killed , take your place with countless other Americans like Davey Crocket who stood their ground to allow other Americans the chance for Liberty. If they came to my door I doubtless would not be the first. But I could be the last.


Wikipedia says that the Alamo location was considered a strategicly important location, so much so that people gave up their lives defending it to the bitter end.

I don't know, but I'm sure during the Texas Revolution there had to be times when troops had to strategically withdraw from various locations as holding it would provide little advantage especially given the casualities they would likely have to endure to hold it. For those that withdrew, did they shirk their duty?

Since I don't know where you live, I have to ask: what is the strategic importance of where you live such that you need to fight if/when they come knocking? Is it important enough to make your last stand there? Or would your end goals be better realized by making your stand with more people by your side, at a time of your own choosing, and in a battleground more tilted to your advantage?


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Others have already hit the key points.

There is one thing I think needs to be pointed out.

IMO it is a fallacy to assume that should the USA go down the "Mad Max" route that Americans will simply be able to pick up their toys and move to a nice sandy beach while order is restored. If that happens how welcome will US immigrants be in most destinations.

Obviously a lot depends upon the country and the person. Whether or not they have sufficiently deep roots in the country and also the resources available to the person. That said I would not count on the largess of many foreign countries if this happened. I am not picking on any country in particular but my experience has been that you are welcome only if you spending money and once the money is gone, so should you.

That brings me back to the comments that were made here.

Yes there are truly unsafe and undesirable places in such a scenario. They are clearly better and worse choices.

Still IMO the best place for such a scenario where your roots are deep enough to shield you from the worst. If you chose to move be sure to sink your roots as deep as possible and blend in like you belong there and have always been there.

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Its a great question. With regard to the Alamo, I grew up a fan of Bowie and Crockett so I read everything I could find. With regard to your larger question, I live about in a woods equal measure between the mountains and the sea and I would defend it as long as I felt it necessary. As soon as I thought that it was no longer advantageous, or worth it, I could abandon it just as easily. Having been to over 50 countries I think N. America offers so many choices that many are limited only by job markets.

Sometimes, because of circumstances, the choice is taken away so one can only hope that if they are going to make that stand it better serve a good purpose. Given choices and the perfect knowledge of hindsight I tend to think that many would agree with NORCAL. This writer in 2003 certainly would:

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-culture/the-alamo-should-never-have-happened/

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Since I don't know where you live, I have to ask: what is the strategic importance of where you live such that you need to fight if/when they come knocking? Is it important enough to make your last stand there? Or would your end goals be better realized by making your stand with more people by your side, at a time of your own choosing, and in a battleground more tilted to your advantage?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed


No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

I believe those are the pertinent laws.
It's not about the strategic importance of my home ( although my home is pretty impressive strategically speaking Nothing short of a cannon or explosives will penetrate the walls ). It's my home and I am secure in the knowledge of my rights. Only I, will decide to give up my guns or share my supplies . Yes I may die, but I will not die easily.
Since I'm quoting from revolutionary times

They tell us, sir, that we are weak -- unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

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We've all gotta know what we're willing to die for.

I'm loyal to my country, and I frankly love my country, there's nowhere else I'd rather be. I don't think it's perfect, there's things I'd like to change and would like us to move towards a more constitutional state, but I love this country. I mean no disrespect to forum members that live in countries besides the US, I'm sure they probably love their country as I do mine. But in the US is where we shall stay.
That's about all I can say about that without getting (more) political.

Regarding SWAT pulling up to your door in an APC. Probably not best to fight at that time.
Having your home surrounded by guys with rifles and plenty of back up is probably a good way to die with no effect. To be frank, look at the guys who resisted SWAT when they had the wrong house and the guy thought it was armed burglars breaking in, they usually get full of bullet holes and the officers get medals for courage under fire. I am not saying to not defend your house against burglars, I'm saying that in this situation you are outgunned and outmanned.
I'll move this to hypothetical so as to avoid politics. Party X takes over, decides people with hazel eyes are to be stripped of all rights and arms, and to be summarily brought to camps to be disposed of. The time to fight against agents of Party X isn't when they're knocking on your door with guys stacked on the back door and windows, that was the time to scoot.
A community defense could've been organized, with every willing body in the neighborhood manning barricades at the entrance. Party X agents show up, get stopped at the barricade and demand it be removed, other people show up on flanking positions and provide only one way out, agents are then informed that they are barred entrance to this community and explained how quickly they will die, maybe even told that explosives are buried right under them for extra measure. Also, any non combatants should possibly be either already moved, or ready to move in the event that the barricade fails. Cue scenario, it's gonna be ugly, but c'est la vie.
Or, if a community defense can not be organized, bug out bags should've been grabbed and your family should be gone before they show up. Maybe leave behind some pictures of your happy family together with writing on the walls like "Do we really look unhuman?!". Or anything else the imagination can come up with to leave behind. Evac should be made towards friendly communities and the scenario goes on from there. Again, it will be ugly but c'est la vie.

We all have to figure out what we're willing to die for. My son growing up in a country where he has at least some rights (maybe even more rights than me) is important enough to me to die for.


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I didn't read the article, but there is a higher level question that needs asking;

If things are so bad in the US that one needs to hop a flight for your second home overseas, where is actually going to be better? I traveled overseas in 2009 and the "america sneezes..." cliche seemed to be in full effect.

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I didn't read the article, but there is a higher level question that needs asking;

If things are so bad in the US that one needs to hop a flight for your second home overseas, where is actually going to be better? I traveled overseas in 2009 and the "america sneezes..." cliche seemed to be in full effect.

And to veer wildly in the direction I took this thread. If things are so bad in the U.S. that personnel carriers loaded with SWAT teams are rolling up your driveway, looking to take your stuff. Will you be there to greet them asleep in your chaise lounge with cucumbers on your eyes and slathered in sun tan lotion with a mp3 player belting out the heavy hit's of the day ?

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I didn't read the article, but there is a higher level question that needs asking;

If things are so bad in the US that one needs to hop a flight for your second home overseas, where is actually going to be better? I traveled overseas in 2009 and the "america sneezes..." cliche seemed to be in full effect.

And to veer wildly in the direction I took this thread. If things are so bad in the U.S. that personnel carriers loaded with SWAT teams are rolling up your driveway, looking to take your stuff. Will you be there to greet them asleep in your chaise lounge with cucumbers on your eyes and slathered in sun tan lotion with a mp3 player belting out the heavy hit's of the day ?


What if we're wearing a chest rig with an AR on our side at the same time as sleeping in our lounger with cucumbers on our eyes, slathered in sun tan lotion with our MP3 player belting out the heavy hits? :awesome:

Edit: Unfortunately I couldn't find any pics of this to show.


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RonnyRonin wrote:
I didn't read the article, but there is a higher level question that needs asking;

If things are so bad in the US that one needs to hop a flight for your second home overseas, where is actually going to be better? I traveled overseas in 2009 and the "america sneezes..." cliche seemed to be in full effect.

And to veer wildly in the direction I took this thread. If things are so bad in the U.S. that personnel carriers loaded with SWAT teams are rolling up your driveway, looking to take your stuff. Will you be there to greet them asleep in your chaise lounge with cucumbers on your eyes and slathered in sun tan lotion with a mp3 player belting out the heavy hit's of the day ?


What if we're wearing a chest rig with an AR on our side at the same time as sleeping in our lounger with cucumbers on our eyes, slathered in sun tan lotion with our MP3 player belting out the heavy hits? :awesome:

Edit: Unfortunately I couldn't find any pics of this to show.
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Is this the same Zero Hedge that has been pimping the "coming socieo-econcmincial collapse" since their inception? Cause um... still waiting...

I mean sure they gotta make some dough but comon' this is so 2005.

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Others have already hit the key points.

There is one thing I think needs to be pointed out.

IMO it is a fallacy to assume that should the USA go down the "Mad Max" route that Americans will simply be able to pick up their toys and move to a nice sandy beach while order is restored. If that happens how welcome will US immigrants be in most destinations.

Obviously a lot depends upon the country and the person. Whether or not they have sufficiently deep roots in the country and also the resources available to the person. That said I would not count on the largess of many foreign countries if this happened. I am not picking on any country in particular but my experience has been that you are welcome only if you spending money and once the money is gone, so should you.

That brings me back to the comments that were made here.

Yes there are truly unsafe and undesirable places in such a scenario. They are clearly better and worse choices.

Still IMO the best place for such a scenario where your roots are deep enough to shield you from the worst. If you chose to move be sure to sink your roots as deep as possible and blend in like you belong there and have always been there.


I honestly feels this is important as a point for moving within your country as well as moving countries. City folks who have a Holiday home in the woods are often unpopular with their full time rural neighbours. If times got hard this unpopularity would only increase.

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Is this the same Zero Hedge that has been pimping the "coming socieo-econcmincial collapse" since their inception? Cause um... still waiting...

I mean sure they gotta make some dough but comon' this is so 2005.



I think they are the ones that started the never-ending ZS thread from 2006 "Global Debt Time Bomb explodes soon" :mrgreen:

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teotwaki wrote:
Stercutus wrote:
Is this the same Zero Hedge that has been pimping the "coming socieo-econcmincial collapse" since their inception? Cause um... still waiting...

I mean sure they gotta make some dough but comon' this is so 2005.



I think they are the ones that started the never-ending ZS thread from 2006 "Global Debt Time Bomb explodes soon" :mrgreen:


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majorhavoc wrote:
teotwaki wrote:
Stercutus wrote:
Is this the same Zero Hedge that has been pimping the "coming socieo-econcmincial collapse" since their inception? Cause um... still waiting...

I mean sure they gotta make some dough but comon' this is so 2005.



I think they are the ones that started the never-ending ZS thread from 2006 "Global Debt Time Bomb explodes soon" :mrgreen:


Well played, sir.


I mean, there was a world wide recession caused by miss-sold debt and I was personally out of pay for a year with my (STAB beer money) government job in 2008-2009, I'm rather fond of our thread predicting exactly the problems that in hindsight caused a lot of social and economic turmoil.

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Others have already hit the key points.

There is one thing I think needs to be pointed out.

IMO it is a fallacy to assume that should the USA go down the "Mad Max" route that Americans will simply be able to pick up their toys and move to a nice sandy beach while order is restored. If that happens how welcome will US immigrants be in most destinations.

Obviously a lot depends upon the country and the person. Whether or not they have sufficiently deep roots in the country and also the resources available to the person. That said I would not count on the largess of many foreign countries if this happened. I am not picking on any country in particular but my experience has been that you are welcome only if you spending money and once the money is gone, so should you.

That brings me back to the comments that were made here.

Yes there are truly unsafe and undesirable places in such a scenario. They are clearly better and worse choices.

Still IMO the best place for such a scenario where your roots are deep enough to shield you from the worst. If you chose to move be sure to sink your roots as deep as possible and blend in like you belong there and have always been there.


I honestly feels this is important as a point for moving within your country as well as moving countries. City folks who have a Holiday home in the woods are often unpopular with their full time rural neighbours. If times got hard this unpopularity would only increase.


QFT!

In many ways the culture of many rural areas in the US is radically different from a city that may be a mere 2 hours away.

Vacation home owners in rural areas should not assume they will be treated the same as locals treat each other, unless they are immersed in the area and its populace for quite some time. In some cases that time frame may be generations.

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