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NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by 00dlez » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:12 am

Thought this was neat, however unlikely to actually be put into practice in our lifetimes:

https://futurism.com/nasa-has-a-3-46-bi ... snt-erupt/
First, they would drill into the volcano from the lower sides, outside the boundaries of Yellowstone National Park. Coming from this direction would prevent the intense heat from making its way to the top of the chamber, where it would cause further problems.

Once drilling is complete, water would be pumped into and back out of the supervolcano at high pressures, with the exiting water heated to a temperature of around 350 degrees Celsius (662 degrees Fahrenheit). The water going in would slowly cool the volcano, while the hot water coming out of it could be used to generate electricity.
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by raptor » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:53 pm

I saw that article and my thought was: What could possibly go wrong drilling a hole into a volcano to pump water into it. :roll: :clownshoes:

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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by SCBrian » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:44 pm

The only thing I can think is "Water doesn't get to that temperature" I surly hope the author of the article 'dumbed it down' because "Science - yo!"
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by JeeperCreeper » Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:50 pm

I feel like the same people that hate fracking are now trying to frack a volcano.... drill baby drill!!!

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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by raptor » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:23 pm

SCBrian wrote:The only thing I can think is "Water doesn't get to that temperature" I surly hope the author of the article 'dumbed it down' because "Science - yo!"
I noticed that too and did not even touch that comment since I have doubts that they could even get that far.

But yes what could possibly go wrong with super heated water?

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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by Confucius » Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:33 pm

SCBrian wrote:The only thing I can think is "Water doesn't get to that temperature" I surly hope the author of the article 'dumbed it down' because "Science - yo!"
I mean, it does... Critical point of water is like 700 F. Enough pressure and it'll stay liquid...

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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by Stercutus » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:31 pm

I like it. Other than the downside risk of potentially eliminating the human race from the planet; cheap energy for thousands of years would be a good thing.

But um... NASA? Last I checked they worked with stuff above not below.
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by 00dlez » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:41 pm

Not sure if it was the linked article or a different itteration, but some sort of "planetary defense" detachment that usually looks at comet/asteroid impacts quickly realized that super volcanoes were a more likely threat and started looking into that instead. I think It mentioned 20 some super volcanoes exist on Earth?
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by flybynight » Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:42 pm

As of now I bet you got me wrong

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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by Ellywick » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:13 am

I love how the article states, "Aside from the dangers of drilling into a super volcano" as if that is a lesser consideration than discussing government approval and funding :lol:

And, yes, Jeepers, I thought of Armageddon as well. Bleah, I love Bruce Willis, Steve Buscemi, B-rated sci-fi flicks and I still can't stand that film.

The group in this gem is also familiar with drills and might be able to assist:

https://youtu.be/Pmlr7BYi_hU
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by SCBrian » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:00 pm

Confucius wrote:
SCBrian wrote:The only thing I can think is "Water doesn't get to that temperature" I surly hope the author of the article 'dumbed it down' because "Science - yo!"
I mean, it does... Critical point of water is like 700 F. Enough pressure and it'll stay liquid...

True - I didnt think of that, and I should have, I work with CO2 a lot and have explained the very same concept.
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by TacAir » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:24 am

Geothermal power has been a reality for decades.

https://www.nvenergy.com/renewablesenvi ... hermal.cfm

It even predated nuke power as the darling of 'cheap power' in old school Sci-Fi - look up Core Tap - found in a lot of the old E.E."Doc" Smith fiction. Course, they never drilled into a volcano.....
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by raptor » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:24 pm

TacAir wrote: Course, they never drilled into a volcano.....
Geothermal power is a bit different since what you do there is to tap into an existing heat source to generate either hot water or steam.

It is not designed to cool off that heat source.

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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by Stercutus » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:46 pm

raptor wrote:
TacAir wrote: Course, they never drilled into a volcano.....
Geothermal power is a bit different since what you do there is to tap into an existing heat source to generate either hot water or steam.

It is not designed to cool off that heat source.
Technically it isn't. It is expending the heat source and removing the energy generating factors of the heat source.
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by Confucius » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:53 pm

Stercutus wrote:
raptor wrote:
TacAir wrote: Course, they never drilled into a volcano.....
Geothermal power is a bit different since what you do there is to tap into an existing heat source to generate either hot water or steam.

It is not designed to cool off that heat source.
Technically it isn't. It is expending the heat source and removing the energy generating factors of the heat source.
Technically it isn't, but it really is. It's a truly astonishing amount of energy.

Just assuming 2400 cubic miles of magma cooling from 1400 C to 500 C, that's 4.48e22 joules, or about the equivalent energy of 213,496 Tsar Bombas.

All back of the envelope for sure, but it's an absurd amount of energy...

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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by raptor » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:01 pm

Confucius wrote:
Stercutus wrote:
raptor wrote:
TacAir wrote: Course, they never drilled into a volcano.....
Geothermal power is a bit different since what you do there is to tap into an existing heat source to generate either hot water or steam.

It is not designed to cool off that heat source.
Technically it isn't. It is expending the heat source and removing the energy generating factors of the heat source.
Technically it isn't, but it really is. It's a truly astonishing amount of energy.

Just assuming 2400 cubic miles of magma cooling from 1400 C to 500 C, that's 4.48e22 joules, or about the equivalent energy of 213,496 Tsar Bombas.

All back of the envelope for sure, but it's an absurd amount of energy...
IMO it is the scale that is the difference as well as the intent.

If you could tap that energy you definitely get a lot of energy in the process. So yes the size of the prize is huge, free energy and avoid a massive volcano eruption. A win win right?

But like I said, what could possible go wrong trying to cool a volcano and at the same time build a massive geothermal energy plant on or about a volcano? :clownshoes:

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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by Stercutus » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:44 pm

But like I said, what could possible go wrong trying to cool a volcano and at the same time build a massive geothermal energy plant on or about a volcano? :clownshoes:
The bears won't like it for sure. There is no telling what they might do.
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by Halfapint » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:02 am

Stercutus wrote:
But like I said, what could possible go wrong trying to cool a volcano and at the same time build a massive geothermal energy plant on or about a volcano? :clownshoes:
The bears won't like it for sure. There is no telling what they might do.
Bears? I'm more worried about tapping into some sort of underground millions of year old caver where dinosaurs and other things live. Do you want giant lizard people, cuz this is how you get lizard people!

OT: Highly doubt they'll be able to do it. What's the longest hole we've drilled into the earth? like 2 miles? and it is only a couple inches in diameter. We'd need a huge hole(s) and a good size in diameter to get enough water down there to cool that thing down even remotely.
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by raptor » Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:37 am

Halfapint wrote: Bears? I'm more worried about tapping into some sort of underground millions of year old caver where dinosaurs and other things live. Do you want giant lizard people, cuz this is how you get lizard people!
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Halfapint wrote: OT: Highly doubt they'll be able to do it. What's the longest hole we've drilled into the earth? like 2 miles? and it is only a couple inches in diameter. We'd need a huge hole(s) and a good size in diameter to get enough water down there to cool that thing down even remotely.
Naw that is easy, you just drill a whole bunch of holes, close together. That way you get the large volume you need. All of those holes would not weaken the substrake... much.
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by Stercutus » Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:59 pm

Halfapint wrote:
Stercutus wrote:
But like I said, what could possible go wrong trying to cool a volcano and at the same time build a massive geothermal energy plant on or about a volcano? :clownshoes:
The bears won't like it for sure. There is no telling what they might do.
Bears? I'm more worried about tapping into some sort of underground millions of year old caver where dinosaurs and other things live. Do you want giant lizard people, cuz this is how you get lizard people!

OT: Highly doubt they'll be able to do it. What's the longest hole we've drilled into the earth? like 2 miles? and it is only a couple inches in diameter. We'd need a huge hole(s) and a good size in diameter to get enough water down there to cool that thing down even remotely.
We better hurry then. Just in case the lizard people bring out bionic Bigfoot. Lee Majors isn't getting any younger.
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

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Stercutus wrote:
Halfapint wrote:
Stercutus wrote:
But like I said, what could possible go wrong trying to cool a volcano and at the same time build a massive geothermal energy plant on or about a volcano? :clownshoes:
The bears won't like it for sure. There is no telling what they might do.
Bears? I'm more worried about tapping into some sort of underground millions of year old caver where dinosaurs and other things live. Do you want giant lizard people, cuz this is how you get lizard people!

OT: Highly doubt they'll be able to do it. What's the longest hole we've drilled into the earth? like 2 miles? and it is only a couple inches in diameter. We'd need a huge hole(s) and a good size in diameter to get enough water down there to cool that thing down even remotely.
We better hurry then. Just in case the lizard people bring out bionic Bigfoot. Lee Majors isn't getting any younger.
That's ok, we can rebuild him. It just costs more now-a-days...
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by DJPrepper » Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:25 pm

Remember : Governments / their Agencies always award jobs to the lowest bidder, same for procurement.

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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by Stercutus » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:49 am

DJPrepper wrote:Remember : Governments / their Agencies always award jobs to the lowest bidder, same for procurement.
Not really. State and local contracts are often awarded on a good old boy network. Federal Contracts are bound by a series of rules that place barriers to entry in to the market that in some areas can not be easily overcome. Even then there is a lot of gaming, bribery and finagling among the major players to get a big contract.

In some ways this could be much worse for this little project. You might end up getting the most corrupt company possible to do the builds.
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Re: NASA Plan to Eliminate Yellowstone Volcano Threat

Post by 00dlez » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:59 am

Bid has been awarded to the only bidder - Sauron Did Nothing Wrong LLC
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