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China MAY Put its Nuclear Weapons on High Alert

Post by teotwaki » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:01 pm

Don't run for the fallout shelter! This is posted as informational to those that prep for nuclear disasters.

China May Put its Nuclear Weapons on High Alert, and It's a Dangerous Idea

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-n ... 13552.html?

"China's military wants to put its relatively small nuclear arsenal on hair-trigger alert for the first time, according to newly translated documents. That's not good. Such a radical departure from the country's longtime nuclear policy could pose a threat not only to the United States, but also to China itself.

Gregory Kulacki, an analyst with the Union of Concerned Scientists, discovered evidence of this potential policy change in a number of Chinese military documents."



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Post by Halfapint » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:41 pm

teotwaki wrote:Don't run for the fallout shelter! This is posted as informational to those that prep for nuclear disasters.

China May Put its Nuclear Weapons on High Alert, and It's a Dangerous Idea

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-n ... 13552.html?

"China's military wants to put its relatively small nuclear arsenal on hair-trigger alert for the first time, according to newly translated documents. That's not good. Such a radical departure from the country's longtime nuclear policy could pose a threat not only to the United States, but also to China itself.

Gregory Kulacki, an analyst with the Union of Concerned Scientists, discovered evidence of this potential policy change in a number of Chinese military documents."



Link to paper http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear-weapons/u ... r45sUaVSqE
I think that is why the doomsday clock has stayed at 3 minutes to midnight. However with many things China is hard to get real information out of. The other day they claimed to have sustained nuclear fusion for longer than anyone else, but it was in a press release not accompanied by anything else.
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Re: China MAY Put its Nuclear Weapons on High Alert

Post by teotwaki » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:34 pm

Good call on reminding us of the clock Halfapint!

"The hands of the Doomsday Clock were moved to three minutes before midnight on January 22, 2015, marking the direst setting of the Clock since 1983, at the height of the Cold War."

http://thebulletin.org/press-release/do ... -talks9122
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Post by Halfapint » Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:12 pm

teotwaki wrote:Good call on reminding us of the clock Halfapint!

"The hands of the Doomsday Clock were moved to three minutes before midnight on January 22, 2015, marking the direst setting of the Clock since 1983, at the height of the Cold War."

http://thebulletin.org/press-release/do ... -talks9122
I'm not just a pretty face around here! Hahaha..... Yeah some crazy shit is going down I've followed the doomsday clock for quite some time. They are very good
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Post by raptor » Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:44 pm

I noted that at the bottom of the source article there is a fund raising link where in effect "You too can help prevent forest fires caused by h-bombs if you send us money".

http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear-weapons/u ... r45sUaVSqE

We Need Your Support
to Make Change Happen
We can increase global security and take U.S. nuclear weapons off hair-trigger alert—but not without you. Your generous support helps develop science-based solutions for a healthy, safe, and sustainable future.

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Post by woodsghost » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:02 pm

raptor wrote:I noted that at the bottom of the source article there is a fund raising link where in effect "You too can help prevent forest fires caused by h-bombs if you send us money".

http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear-weapons/u ... r45sUaVSqE

We Need Your Support
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We can increase global security and take U.S. nuclear weapons off hair-trigger alert—but not without you. Your generous support helps develop science-based solutions for a healthy, safe, and sustainable future.
Well now I"m feeling all warm and sciency. I might just have to donate.
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Post by teotwaki » Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:46 pm

Found this 2014 article that lays out the basic scenarios for war(s) with China

Asia's Greatest Fear: A U.S.-China War


http://nationalinterest.org/feature/asi ... -war-10621

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"Under most war scenarios, China needs to fight for some affirmative purpose, not simply the destruction of US or Japanese military forces. This means that the PLAN must invade, capture, supply, and defend some geographical point, most likely either Taiwan or an outpost in the East or South China Sea."
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Post by Halfapint » Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:56 pm

teotwaki wrote:Taiwan or an outpost in the East or South China Sea."
Like those islands they've been building and the base they just made. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35031313
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Post by Maeklos » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:08 pm

China's readying of its nuclear arsenal may have nothing at all to do with the US or what's going on in the South China Sea. Rather, I'd suggest that is has something to do with North Korea saying that they're set to "pre-emptively" attack people with their own "nuclear"(?) arsenal. I think the last thing China wants is for the world to see North Korea as too crazy and wind up invading them. China certainly doesn't want millions of starving, uneducated, indoctrinated North Koreans to come streaming over the border as refugees. My guess is that North Korea has a direct line to China and China expects a, "Pssst, hey. We're going to nuke South Korea/Japan. Just FYI." At which point China will obliterate North Korea's offensive capabilities.

But that's just my Sunday opinion as I sit here, digesting a tasty dinner.
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Post by Halfapint » Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:50 pm

Maeklos wrote:digesting a tasty dinner.
Thanks for rubbing it in... I forgot my lunch so I'm hungry... :(

Very true, NK declared their "nuclear weapons" be on a hair trigger just last week I believe, and China may have known and put theirs on high alert as a "my ePeen can get harder faster than you".

I say "nuclear weapons" for NK because we know they've been trying to build them but from all accounts they have not yet had a successful detonation. The last test in January was suppose to be an H bomb, but again, by all counts it was MUCH to small.

I truly believe that Lil Kim isn't that stupid. I really can't believe that he's drank enough of his own koolaid in the short amount of time he's been in power to believe he's invincible. He's surrounded by superior firepower, he's got nukes on at least 2 sides possibly 3, and he KNOWS if he attacks that he will be living in a land of glass. I truly cant believe that he doesn't realize this. The DPRK loves to rattle sabers and show off their ePeen (ie unicorn lair, ebola cure, AIDS cure, etc) but he's not a dumb kid.
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Post by Maeklos » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:11 am

Halfapint wrote:
Maeklos wrote:digesting a tasty dinner.
Thanks for rubbing it in... I forgot my lunch so I'm hungry... :(
If it makes you feel better, I made a pot of carnitas, pulled the pork when it was done, then used the juice leftover in the pot to make up some rice. Rolled it up in a tortilla with some tomato, fresh-grated cheese, and homemade guacamole. Made a right tasty burrito.
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Post by Close_enough » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:57 am

Maeklos wrote:China's readying of its nuclear arsenal may have nothing at all to do with the US or what's going on in the South China Sea. Rather, I'd suggest that is has something to do with North Korea saying that they're set to "pre-emptively" attack people with their own "nuclear"(?) arsenal. I think the last thing China wants is for the world to see North Korea as too crazy and wind up invading them.
I think your probably right about NK. China isn't fanatical enough to launch a first strike against the US because of the expected retaliation. However, a higher alert level would, hopefully, keep Kim Jong Un from becoming too antagonistic. Sort of an "If you hit him, then I'm going to hit you" situation. Speaking purely speculatively, and out my rear, hitting Pyongyang with a small(er) nuke could prevent a much larger, and potentially damaging to China, nuclear strike from a retaliating country.

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Post by Langenator » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:39 am

Typical HuffPo...China's doing something potentially bad and dangerous, and it's all America's fault for not giving them warm fuzzies.

Now, China has something like DF-5 ICBMs that can reach the U.S., but at least some, if not most, of those are aimed at Russia. Those are also liquid fueled, which means they can't be at full alert forever (assuming 'full alert' means fueled and ready to fire.)

Not sure about the solid fuel DF-31A, which is supposed to have an 11,000km range, which would be enough to reach the U.S.. Unsure how many they have.

But as noted, this is most likely in resposnse to the Norks getting jiggy.
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Post by teotwaki » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:18 pm

What's with the Mexican food in a thread about Chinese nukes? LOL. Should at least be Stir Fry since that is what will happen to us with Chinese nukes :mrgreen:

Large graphic showing missile types and ranges:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and ... _range.jpg

Survivable nukes in railroad cars: http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... lroad-car/

"China is believed to have obtained rail-mobile missile technology from Ukraine, which during the Soviet period built the SS-24 rail-based ICBM, according to a report by Georgetown University’s Asian Arms Control Project."

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Post by teotwaki » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:15 pm

http://www.popularmechanics.com/militar ... -16205950/

Here's What a Shooting War in the East China Sea Might Look Like
By Joe Pappalardo Nov 27, 2013

"Tensions are escalating as China tries to claim new turf. Here's what to expect if the cold war involving Japan, China, the U.S., and other East Asian nations heats up."
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Post by teotwaki » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:05 pm

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update ... -Australia

Why the United States might send bombers to Australia

The US may position B-1 and B-52 long-range bombers in northern Australia, in response to rising tensions in the South China Sea.
By Christina Beck, Staff March 9, 2016

Pentagon officials said on Wednesday that the United States is considering stationing B-1 and B-52 bombers in Australia in the face of rising tensions in the South China Sea.

China’s expansion to both natural and man-made islands in those waters, including its decision to build air strips and install surface-to-air missile batteries, has prompted Washington to look at a number of options, both diplomatic and military.
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Post by teotwaki » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:03 pm

What an Australian thinks of it all

http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/th ... hina-15462

It’s Time We Talked About War With China

Whether Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull intended it or not, his new Defence White Paper has been widely interpreted as sending a clear message that Australia is willing to join our allies in using armed force if necessary to defend the “rules based global order” from China’s strategic ambitions in Asia. Moreover, most people apparently think that’s a good message to send.

So it seems wise to ask whether this message is really true. Would we go to war with China over any of the issues which now loom as tests of the future order in Asia—in the Spratlys, or the Senkakus, or even Taiwan?
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Post by Maeklos » Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:52 am

teotwaki wrote: So it seems wise to ask whether this message is really true. Would we go to war with China over any of the issues which now loom as tests of the future order in Asia—in the Spratlys, or the Senkakus, or even Taiwan?
We didn't really get involved when Russia sent soldiers into Ukraine other than to basically go, "Nuh uh! Don't do that!" and send a few folks to train Ukrainian military units. I seriously doubt the US would get in a shooting war with China over what's basically a localized regional conflict (at least to the average American) - especially if China tosses out a statement along the lines of, "Hey, since America is our premier trading partner, we'll give priority access and reduced tariffs and taxes in the South China Sea to all cargo going to and coming from America." When our biggest trading partner flashes money at us, America will roll over like the whore she is.

Australia, on the other hand, is part of that "localized regional conflict". I think when push comes to shove, they'll look to see what America does, and if we do nothing, they'll look at a cost-benefit analysis to determine whether they'll get more if they can broker a deal with China, or make a stand with the other local players against China.
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Post by teotwaki » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:59 am

Maeklos wrote:
teotwaki wrote: So it seems wise to ask whether this message is really true. Would we go to war with China over any of the issues which now loom as tests of the future order in Asia—in the Spratlys, or the Senkakus, or even Taiwan?
We didn't really get involved when Russia sent soldiers into Ukraine other than to basically go, "Nuh uh! Don't do that!" and send a few folks to train Ukrainian military units. I seriously doubt the US would get in a shooting war with China over what's basically a localized regional conflict (at least to the average American) - especially if China tosses out a statement along the lines of, "Hey, since America is our premier trading partner, we'll give priority access and reduced tariffs and taxes in the South China Sea to all cargo going to and coming from America." When our biggest trading partner flashes money at us, America will roll over like the whore she is.

Australia, on the other hand, is part of that "localized regional conflict". I think when push comes to shove, they'll look to see what America does, and if we do nothing, they'll look at a cost-benefit analysis to determine whether they'll get more if they can broker a deal with China, or make a stand with the other local players against China.
China is very patient and as Hong Kong illustrates, China is willing to wait a long time for plans to come to fruition. The reclamation of the islands is just one piece on their chessboard to asserting themselves as the regional power. As one of the article states, they are big enough to trade blows with the US, replace the losses of their outdated equipment and continue with their takeover of the Asian region.
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Post by Langenator » Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:46 pm

Assuming, of course, that their economy stays far enough out of the crapper to allow the Party to retain its hold on power.
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Langenator wrote:Assuming, of course, that their economy stays far enough out of the crapper to allow the Party to retain its hold on power.
:v: They just let a few 100 million people starve in order to keep the military budget intact. It will be the Great leap Forward into the grave pit.


Slightly related on going toe-to-toe with China. The Boeing Voyager autonomous submarine. How long before it is weaponized similar to the Predator drone?

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As the University of Pennsylvania professor Arthur Waldron says, Xi is “intoxicated” by his power and capable of “highly dangerous folly.” “The unelected and cossetted Beijing leadership,” Waldron notes, “is poorly educated, poorly informed, insulated from public opinion in China, lacks judgment, and may therefore make a terrible mistake.”

What Beijing Gains By Threatening Taiwan Now

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China's Island Modifications in satellite images

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Post by teotwaki » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:03 pm

How the world's largest military stacks up to the US armed forces

Full article: http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese- ... -us-2016-3

"A recent report from the US Congressional Research Service outlines China's 2.3 million-member armed forces and sheds light on misconceptions from Western military analysts.

Simply put, the report challenges the idea that Westerners can understand China's military and foreign-policy decisions without first understanding Chinese philosophy and culture of warfare."
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