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Question. Why do you have the points (one person) of the two triangles leading on a patrol, versus the wide bases (two people) of two triangles, as recommended earlier? I realize these are two very different applications, but is it simply to reduce your exposure to potential threats, on the leading edge? Or is this flexible, depending on expected confrontation and expected necessity to quickly bring 4 shooters to bear, versus 2? I'm guessing I may have answered by own question. Thanks though.

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Since a triangle is a strong shape just make two triangles of people with you walking in between them. They should be pointed the way you are going. Whoever is the leading tip of the lead triangle needs to know where the hell you are going and be completely alert. You want to make absolutely certain of that. You will want to spread out a bit so that if someone does take a shot at your group they will have a tough time with a follow up shot at a different target. How much depends, 30 feet is pretty standard.

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I'm guessing I may have answered by own question


- You have one person in the lead
- He encounters a threat
- He tells everyone to stop

At that point he can signal to bring the first group on line to help him while the second group circles around to seek advantage while remaining hidden.

He could do many other things too. Like bring everyone forward, signal to retreat from the threat etc. You have more flexibility this way.

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This is one of the most informative threads i've read here. thank you, Stercutus.

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Never mind...... enjoy your thread.


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Just keep in mind that what makes good sense for the military would not necessarily make good sense for a civilian group.

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Stercutus the best part is there was not one ELO/ TLO or powerpoint slide in your entire presentation yet effectively laid out defensive operations and rudimentary patrolling. Well done.


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Some people are more visually oriented. I think Patton said it best:

"The point is not to make Power Point slides for your country; but to make some other bastard make slides for his."

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Stercutus wrote:
Some people are more visually oriented. I think Patton said it best:

"The point is not to make Power Point slides for your country; but to make some other bastard make slides for his."


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I think it was Abraham Lincoln who said that.

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raptor wrote:

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I think it was Abraham Lincoln who said that.

Great thread!

Nah, Lincoln said, "You can't believe everything you read on the Internet."

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I'm just a POG but I have been enjoying your thread.

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Tobias05 wrote:
I'm just a POG but I have been enjoying your thread.


Appreciate it.

It is true that even the best ad-hoc group simply will not be able to compete or compare to a trained, organized, experienced group of light fighters.

But not being a grunt doesn't mean you can't do something. I spent two years teaching basic tactics and just about anyone of at least average intelligence can learn the basic stuff. What I want to stress is that a rudimentary defense following sound principles will be worlds ahead of anyone winging it.

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Evan the Diplomat wrote:
raptor wrote:

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I think it was Abraham Lincoln who said that.

Great thread!

Nah, Lincoln said, "You can't believe everything you read on the Internet."


He added(after downing another cold PBR) "Unless it's about Vampires... that shit's like totally real."

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Evan the Diplomat wrote:

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should be retitled: "How to defend your bol with a small group OF dummies".

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Great thread, I hope this continues.

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you might have covered this (been a while since I read the OP) but it seems like a lot of BO plans center around some form of cabin or semi-permanent shelter. If the cabin is in a reasonably defensible location would you
1) encircle the cabin with aforementioned defensive digging
2) Fortify the cabin itself
C) dig in else ware on the property and use the cabin as some kind of decoy

depending on how well hidden the cabin was (and how well stocked) I can see the temptation to inhabit the nice warm/dry cabin as too strong for a lot of people to give up for trenches, and I can also imagine the sight of a well stocked warm/dry cabin is an equally tempting target for potential looters.

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I don't know if this helps you but the writers collectively known as Sun Tzu taught that the best leaders win without fighting.

I agree that most plans center around some form of shelter, physiological of course, the bottom level of Maslow's pyramid. The best course would be to fight as far from it as possible. Once your shelter becomes the center of gravity one ought to try to push it back out and away from the shelter. Once the enemy learns it is important to you he/she may not stop trying for it. But you know this since it is featured on the news every day.

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RonnyRonin wrote:
you might have covered this (been a while since I read the OP) but it seems like a lot of BO plans center around some form of cabin or semi-permanent shelter. If the cabin is in a reasonably defensible location would you
1) encircle the cabin with aforementioned defensive digging
2) Fortify the cabin itself
C) dig in else ware on the property and use the cabin as some kind of decoy

depending on how well hidden the cabin was (and how well stocked) I can see the temptation to inhabit the nice warm/dry cabin as too strong for a lot of people to give up for trenches, and I can also imagine the sight of a well stocked warm/dry cabin is an equally tempting target for potential looters.


Me?

Any structure will be a bullet magnet during any serious conflict. If you intend to protect the structure you must harden it. The easiest and cheapest way to do this is to put barrier material between an attacker and the structure. The cheapest barrier material I know of would be dirt. One inefficient way is to pile mounds of dirt around the structure (but not against it). A better way is to make dirt walls.

If you want to make dirt walls then you can make them out of Hesco bastions. If you know what you are doing you can make your own out of pig wire fencing, baling wire and landscape fabric. They will have to exceed the height of the structure by that of the surrounding terrain (or one foot if there is no higher terrain).

A hesco can be reduced by heavy automatic weapons fire but it takes a lot of concentrated effort.

I would only work it into a defensive plan if it made sense to do so.

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If the decades permit, it might be a good idea to plant a hedgerow.

Not hedges but an earthen berm with vines, shrubs and trees planted upon that to provide cover, concealment, biodiversity and even some edibles. The hedgerows in Normandy vexed our grandfathers and great grandfathers. Obviously not a "now" solution but a great way to engineer an eco-friendly defensive position.

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Good read so far, reinforcing things I already know but none the less a good read.

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Stercutus wrote:

The laws in your state may forbid any group defensive measures as they may fall under an anti-militia law. Check your state laws carefully. All defensive uses of deadly force apply within whatever your state laws allow and demand.


Today I learn there are such things as anti-militia laws.


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Redshirt wrote:
Stercutus wrote:

The laws in your state may forbid any group defensive measures as they may fall under an anti-militia law. Check your state laws carefully. All defensive uses of deadly force apply within whatever your state laws allow and demand.


Today I learn there are such things as anti-militia laws.


Indeed. That is why I say do your own research on this. There are currently no federal laws prohibiting the above activities and state laws vary widely.

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Stercutus wrote:
Redshirt wrote:
Stercutus wrote:

The laws in your state may forbid any group defensive measures as they may fall under an anti-militia law. Check your state laws carefully. All defensive uses of deadly force apply within whatever your state laws allow and demand.


Today I learn there are such things as anti-militia laws.


Indeed. That is why I say do your own research on this. There are currently no federal laws prohibiting the above activities and state laws vary widely.


A link to lists of states with anti-militia laws and anti-militia training laws. Note this not an all inclusive list, no warranties are provided regarding its accuracy and this does not constitute legal advice.

Just a head start on your due diligence.

http://thefiringline.com/library/milpara.html

https://libertyfight.wordpress.com/2009 ... _militias/

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