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I've lurked on this site for a year or more now and especially enjoy reading the preparedness threads. I would never suggest that I know more about preparedness than anyone else and I fully admit to being completely and unquestionably guilty of making the same errors in judgement, bad decisions and ridiculous planning failures borne out of a complete ignorance bordering on criminal stupidity. This got me thinking: where are all these dumb ideas coming from?

So, out of sheer boredom I thought I would do a bit of research into the one, constant culpret behind all of these bad decisions and get to where the bulk of this poor planning "advice" and propaganda is coming from. Like everything thats wrong in America today it can be blamed on one source: Hollywood.

Below is my top-ten list of crappy ideas and the hit Hollywood-blockbuster films which make them seem like brilliant planning strategies. Not all of these are zombie movies, some are Apocalypse, Pre-Apocalypse and Post-Apocalypse as well as Zombie Apocalypse or plain-old disaster films.

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#1 Bad Idea: Trust The Government To Save You
Film Adaptation: Deep Impact (1998)
Why It Looks Good: The government has nothing but the best of intentions, right?
why Its Dumb: The government will, most likely, be the reason why you are now stuck defending your assorted cans of Spaghetti-O's and Vienna Sausages from roving hordes of GucciFlage bandits. This isnt to suggest the government can be responsible for an asteroid strike or that any kind of preparation is going to help in that situation. What it does, however,is show a semi-realistic representation of how the government will discover an event like this long before you ever do, will have made preparations for the continuation of the species and how none of those plans will include you. Make your own plan in advance and ensure it covers a lot of potential scenarios regardless of wether they're practical; preparing for zombie hordes and raiders is still good prep if you only ever have to face raiders. Winging it is only good in improv comedy and you certainly dont want your last days on earth to end up as an unfortunate yet comedic set of zany mishaps.
Lesson Learned: Make a plan well in advance and stick to it. Remember the oldest of sayings: "better an underwhelmed pessimist than an overwhelmed optimist".


#2 Bad Idea: Be The Rescue Party
Film Adaptation: Day After Tomorrow (2004)
Why It Looks Good: Tough Guy and his two best buds take to the wild with nothing but what they can carry on their backs and ultimately save his family from destruction. Its an on-the-road-buddy-flick!
why Its Dumb: Everyone in that film who didnt get eaten by wolves froze to death. In the really real world when the temperature drops to the point where it can freeze aviation fuel Im guessing your Patagonia hoodie-and-mitties combo aint gonna cut it. And please someone tell me why they left with all that equipment and no lighter? But I'm not here for the plot holes. Walking anywhere is kind of a dumb idea during an actual apocalypse unless you have no other options. So when I got to the end of the story and noticed our hero reuniting with his son just in time to see the rescue helicopters arrive I wondered why he even left at all. Turns out his kid was also stupid and unprepared but equally lucky which means dads friend died for nothing. Hmmm. Let that be a lesson: If its apocalypting outside and you can manage it, stay put, let the professionals handle the rescue parts and if youre not an active part of the solution you're going to get eaten by wolves. I believe that last part is a quote from the bible.
Lesson Learned: Let the first responders be the first responders. Especially if they have helicopters.


#3 Bad Idea: Scavenging As A Contingency Plan
Film Adaptation: The Road (2009)
Why It Looks Good: Because everything you'll ever need is just sitting over at your neighbors house.
why Its Dumb: The odds of walking from place to place in the apocalypse with the best of intentions, two bullets, and even fewer plans will maybe get you roughly past the mailbox at the end of your driveway. Thats assuming the neighbor who came to your sons Bar Mitzvah and occasionally borrows your lawnmower doesnt also own a black belt in Brazillian Muay-Jutsu MMA knife fighting, a Pre-Ban IMI Galil 372 rifle and a strong desire to keep your lawnmower. Having the impression that if you scavenge long and hard enough you will find a fully stocked, completely abandoned and forgotten survival bunker randomly under a mattress in the Liebowitz's backyard where you can enjoy some hot food and a warm bath is completely irresponsible. This is the reason why people still play the lottery- or as I call it the "Poverty Tax". You're one in 338 million odds to winning the lottery and probably greater odds finding an abandoned yet somehow still stocked bunker. And if you DO manage to find this windfall it is called "looting", if you got past someone to get to it its called "raiding". Both are capital offenses in PAW scenarios. Worse though, is the idiots in Hollywood would have you believe that, as this story seems to suggest, if you can just make it to Southern California all your problems will be solved. Yeah, bullshit. Set up some supplies well in advance so you dont have to hit the road like some kind of Jack "Mad Max" Kerouac. Otherwise you might make it about as far south as Oakland. More likely you're going to get eaten by cannibal rednecks.
Lesson Learned: Have supplies for an emergency. Make a Bug Out Bag, a Bug In Bag as well as a Get Home Bag and pack more than just guns. Remember: bullets are not food because you can only eat a bullet once.


#4 Bad Idea: Hole Up In A Mall.
Film Adaptation: Dawn of the Dead (1978); Dawn of the Dead (2004) remake.
Why It Looks Good: Because malls have everything!
why Its Dumb: Ah the old standby. The 2004 version showed this in greater detail than the '78 version but my first issue with this is that there will be a ton of both good and bad people at the mall. Granted, in the films the bad people were primarily zombies but regardless of the apocalypse, in a catastrophic scenario there will be literally thousands of refugess comprized of good and bad guys. Truth is, in a catastrophe there are going to be thousands of everything everywhere- humans, zombies, refugees, dogs, zoo animals, snakes, bugs, diseases, human fecal matter, corpses... absolutely everywhere people are congregating. And not just at the mall but the Safeway, REI, Walgreens, Wal*Mart, K-Mart, Petsmart, Autozone, Roscoes Chicken and Waffles, hell, even at the vending machines in your apartment laundry room. The plain advice is avoid crowds during a catastrophe at all costs period. Let the madness die down before going anywhere near where people gather because in a crowd you are not recognizeable a noble, good intentioned individual just trying to get little Timmy's asthma script. Instead you either are or are about to be a victim of some heinous act. Dont be there to find out the details of what, why and how severe. If its zombies then there will be zombies at the mall; if its terrorists, there will be terrorists at the mall; if its ADHD kids wanna go play X-Box? Regardless of the catastrophe there will be no shortage of Nagants, trenchcoats and katanas all thinking they're gonna be a warlord by day three. Best be far and away when the Army Reserves comes to put an end to their self appointed reign of despotism.
Lesson Learned: Stay away from malls, walmarts and other looter/raider high-value targets. Which brings us to...


#5 Bad Idea: Buddy Up To A Military or LEO Encampment
Film Adaptation: 28 Days Later (2002)
Why It Looks Good: Because The Military Is Armed To The Teeth
why Its Dumb: Because the military is armed to the teeth and maybe you just walked in with what might possibly be the only two breathing females left on the planet. Or maybe you have the last can of Mt. Dew: Code Red that theyre ever going to see until humanity is restored. Or maybe you're just looking like one more mouth to feed and have nothing of value to contribute to the solution beyond your vast knowledge of World of Warcraft lore but mostly you just seem to want them to share their already dwindling resources. These are highly trained, well conditioned, alpha personality types who are in a 100%, full-time, combat profession, jacked mostly on fear, caffeine and adrenaline all the while feeling- quite legitimately- like the end of the world is upon them. And they're armed to the teeth. When the SHtF there is nothing you can add to the conversation that proves to them you are "one of the goodguys". Truth is youre going to have to go a long way towards NOT getting shot while assuming the military or LEO's are still altruistic. Be quiet, be polite or be invisible but better to be gone. To paraphrase my uncle LeRoy: "Times like these remind me that if you're shotgun huntin' with a batch of blind kids, try not to sound like a rabbit". Uncle LeRoy liked to drink.
Lesson Learned: Do not mess with military and LEO's


#6 Bad Idea: Piss Off Your Neighbors
Film Adaptation: Walking Dead (2010)
Why It Looks Good: Because at some point almost everyone dreams of ruling the world.
why Its Dumb: Lets see, hole-up in a prison and start a war with the more supplied, better organized and better armed neighboring camp, whats not to like? Their entire defensive strategy was comprised of a chanlink fence in front and a pitch black, zombie-filled catacomb as their backdoor escape contingency. Nevermind that every episode either someone was shot by the rival camp or eaten by a dead prisoner-turned-walker. And on a side-note, how long could those unforseen set of circumstances possibly have gone on? There couldnt possibly have been less than two or three thousand possible inmates-turned-zombies still wandering around the pitch black, cramped, inescapable hallways, right? I doubt they all would have gotten out at some point. Its not like they holed-up at a prison in a state with one of the highest incarceration rates in a country with more incarcerated citizens per-capita than anywhere else on the planet. In the entire history of all mankind. Ever. But luckily that didnt last too long because a tank showed up and blew the place to crap. I honestly did not see that coming. Granted they did manage to piss off the only other living people in a 2000 square-mile radius who also coincidentally happened to own a tank, but y'know, coulda happened to anyone. In the end if the world really goes as pear-shaped as that show suggests then at some point, once humanity is restored, you're going to need to rely on your neighbors. Might as well smile and make nicey-nice. Its called politics.
Lesson Learned: During an emergency, if possible, respect your neighbors privacy with one part decency and one-hundred parts distance.


#7 Bad Idea: Abandoning a Safehouse For The Possibility of Something Better
Film Adaptation: Zombieland (2009)
Why It Looks Good: Because in the ZPAW free cars and bags of guns will litter the streets like your very own, real-life GTA-V scenario.
why Its Dumb: Nevermind the fact that they managed to find the only un-looted, fully stocked grocery store left on the planet but it also happened to have two hot chicks, uninterrupted power, working water and an apparently zero-population of zombies. So they left. Then they found Bill Murrays house which also seemed to have power, food, water, a gate and some contrived method to avoiding zombies and raiders. So again, they left. They had a great bug-out location- twice- and could have been extremely comfortable almost indefinitely at either. They had also instituted a pretty good list of "rules" by which to survive the ZPAW yet when they had essentially succeeded in finding a perfect camp they hit the road again. For twinkies. Maybe for Chocodiles but certainly not twinkies.
Lesson Learned: If you dont absolutely need to leave your location, stay put.
Edit: Screw that, the lesson here is not to let people into your safehouse. Poor Bill Murray was just being a good guy by letting them in and then having a few yuks to bring some levity to the end of the world and all it got him was a belly fully of buckshot and tossed unceremoniously off the back patio balcony. Thanks, Michael Cera or Jesse Eisenberg or whatever your name is. Thanks for nothing.


#8 Bad Idea: Take A Stance and Go Fight For It
Film Adaptation: Book Of Eli (2010)
Why It Looks Good: Because Everyone wants to be the blade-swinging, kung-fu badass fighting The Good Fight!
why Its Dumb: Because you're not a blade-swinging, kung-fu badass fighting The Good Fight you're an insurance underwriter for a Home/Auto/Life office in Omaha who voted for Jill Stein in 2012. Thats right: "who"? Even if you knew what it was, suggesting there is some grand cause left worth figthting for more valuable than you and your family is an illusion. In Book of Eli one guy thinks the his interpretation of an ideology will save humanity, the other thinks his can rule whats left of the world and in the end they both die. Who lives? The guys in the walled fort with the millennias-worth of rations, machine guns and no desire to get involved in the politics. They survived because its hard to get killed on an 18 year walk to nowhere protecting a long-since-gone political, theological, or monetary ideology if you never actually go on that walk. You dont need to be a great champion of the written word especially if no one knows how to read. No one ever died at the hands of bikery-looking highway thugs while planting vegetables behind the comfort of a securely walled and well-armed island compound. Cowardly? Maybe. But a brave man dies only once while a coward can live a long, comfortable and anonymous life inside the armed compound. Live to debate the politics another day with the survivors. You may find their re-envisoned viewpoints a little more tolerable especially after the Old Views probably caused the world to burn.
Lesson Learned: Avoid adding unnecessary drama to already tense situations.


#9 Bad Idea: There's Always Safety In Numbers
Film Adaptation: World War Z (2013)
Why It Looks Good: It doesnt. It looks dumb from start to finish.
why Its Dumb: This movie particularly pissed me off because the book is possibly the best, most salient, level-headed, mature and accurate look at dealing with a fictional zombie apocalypse. A book which was the follow up to possibly the most common-sense survival guide on the subject. The story World War Z was written to be an account of how rational minds eventually found success in obviously impossible circumstances. Both the Zombie Survival Guide and World War Z were meant to be- and succeeded at being- the first ever common sense answer to Hollywoods historical, zombie-afflicted idiocy. So what was the result? All the good advice was scrapped so our hero could go off into the ZPAW and do exactly the opposite of everything so eloquently spelled out in the books. In the Zombie Survival Guide there is actually a whole chapter on why you should avoid cramped or crowded environments like cities, airplanes, tower apartments, refugee camps, riots and protests or grocery stores during the ZPAW. Even massed divisions of military armor and support were shown to be unwise locales as depicted in the Battle For Yonkers. In the film he goes into all of these scenarios with each result more disasterous than the last. The only person with a glimmer of common sense was when his wife was all like: "Naw, have fun, I'll stay here on the unzombieable $%&*@# battleship, dumbass"! In a real scenario if you go looking for trouble the odds are good you are going to find it. Even greater odds are that the "trouble" you find will be better fed, better armed, better trained, better entrenched than you and mightily twitchy at the trigger end of the finger. And those will be the good guys.
Lesson Learned: Avoid crowds, crowded places and especially riots or protests.


#10 Bad Idea: Good Intentions Outweigh Technical Training.
Film Adaptation: World War Z (2013)
Why It Looks Good: Because guns are easy to use and only ever kill bad guys all the time, everytime.
why Its Dumb: Using WWZ as an example again only because of a couple of scenes where the stupidity was a bit too ridiculous. The first is the constant Hollywood schtick of the cellphone going off at the worst time. I've been on a military mission once or twice in my day and usually right before leaving most folks do a quick self-check. Does it make noise? Tape it. Still noisy? More tape. Still noisy? Leave it. Better yet, if its not part of the mission its not on the mission. The other is the scene where the CDC specialist Fassbach slips in the rain and headshots himself. Forgetting for a moment this was the worst character death in the history of film and how the mission seemingly progressed without any benefit/loss resulting from his death, Im left wondering why no one ever stopped to ask if he had any prior firearms training. At no point did anyone take a moment wonder if the bookish, professional laboratory biologist for the CDC had even the most remedial gun safety training before sending him out to save the world. Someone at some point during the 16-hour flight to Korea could have at least said "the big hole in the front is where the bullet comes out, try to point it away from your head. And mind that puddle". These were supposed to be the best of the military's best and no one stopped to say "cell phones off and that there's the safety". I long for the days of a pragmatic and practical representation of the military like Powers Boothe in 1984's Red Dawn. He was smart, humble, capable and ultimately mortal. Red Dawn was a PAW movie where people did what people would probably do.
Lesson Learned: Practice to use your tools correctly. All of them, not just the guns.

I get that a movie showing everything going perfectly according to plan would be dull but it would be nice to see a film where almost everything goes right for once. Perhaps a movie depicting what Jason Bourne would do in the ZPAW. It almost lends credence to the conspiracy theorists who think there is a greater Mainstream Media cabal with evil, population-thinning intentions at work here. Either way it occurs to me that if you followed Hollywoods model for apocalyptic preparation the end of your days will be met like a giant Rube Goldberg device resulting in your tragic yet comedic demise and no one left alive to YouTube your terminal albeit whacky misfortune.

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That is quite a summary.

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Zimmy wrote:
That is quite a summary.


Yeah, I might have let it get a little away from me.

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This was a fun write up!

Just gonna say: WWZ: The Movie had some pretty heavy handed political messages it tried to communicate. My lesson: Don't take survival tips from propagandists....especially Brad Pitt......

WWZ: The Book: Not sure it was the best or most realistic, but it sure was cool! I credit the book and the Survival Guide with getting me hooked on zombies. Certainly one of the best I have ever read. I think the guide was one of the better researched guides I have ever read, and I think the author actually has experience with some of the stuff he wrote about. Which is pleasant and unusual.

Thinking about The Road..... I don't remember the bunker being in the movie version, but the whole story occurs roughly 10 years after the event. If 99.99% of the world population is dead and a bunker and food stores have obviously not been touched in the last 10 years, I'll assume there is some sort of Common Law allowance for utilization of resources. Probably under the BLM or RICO or some drug laws.

I think lawyers everywhere might have just cringed at that one...... :D

Book of Eli: What do you think of Rome vs the Barbarians? That might be a bad comparison. I don't know. It seems right to me.

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gridwerk wrote:
Zimmy wrote:
That is quite a summary.


Yeah, I might have let it get a little away from me.


We will expect a similar report next week.

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That was an excellent write up. Thank you!

I would note one other lesson. If you use Hollywood as a decision guide, odds are good that if you do the opposite of what Hollywood does, you would likely make the right decision.

As for WW-z the movie was so bad on so many points it is not funny...including a satphone that works several decks below the main deck and no view of the sky.

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I am guessing it is all blue texty fun. I will say you missed the point on a few of them.

Eli believed he was guided by God and therefore could not do anything different. He was not merely a believer, he believed himself to be the actual word of God and fulfilling his will. Holing up in a compound is hardly an option.

The events in The Road took place mostly ten years after the Apocalypse. Having some supplies, BOB and a GHB would hardly matter by then.

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gridwerk wrote:

#1 Bad Idea: Trust The Government To Save You
Film Adaptation: Deep Impact (1998)
Why It Looks Good: The government has nothing but the best of intentions, right?
why Its Dumb: The government will, most likely, be the reason why you are now stuck defending your assorted cans of Spaghetti-O's and Vienna Sausages from roving hordes of GucciFlage bandits.



I'm not too sure how it's the government's fault that there was a disaster in the example you provided.


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Mountainsquid wrote:
gridwerk wrote:

#1 Bad Idea: Trust The Government To Save You
Film Adaptation: Deep Impact (1998)
Why It Looks Good: The government has nothing but the best of intentions, right?
why Its Dumb: The government will, most likely, be the reason why you are now stuck defending your assorted cans of Spaghetti-O's and Vienna Sausages from roving hordes of GucciFlage bandits.



I'm not too sure how it's the government's fault that there was a disaster in the example you provided.


Try reading the next line after the one you quoted:

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This isnt to suggest the government can be responsible for an asteroid strike or that any kind of preparation is going to help in that situation.


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I liked it. Reads like a non political Cracked article. Only thing I don't like about Cracked is the politics certain writers will try to sneak in.

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woodsghost wrote:
This was a fun write up!

Just gonna say: WWZ: The Movie had some pretty heavy handed political messages it tried to communicate. My lesson: Don't take survival tips from propagandists....especially Brad Pitt......

WWZ: The Book: Not sure it was the best or most realistic, but it sure was cool! I credit the book and the Survival Guide with getting me hooked on zombies. Certainly one of the best I have ever read. I think the guide was one of the better researched guides I have ever read, and I think the author actually has experience with some of the stuff he wrote about. Which is pleasant and unusual.

Thinking about The Road..... I don't remember the bunker being in the movie version, but the whole story occurs roughly 10 years after the event. If 99.99% of the world population is dead and a bunker and food stores have obviously not been touched in the last 10 years, I'll assume there is some sort of Common Law allowance for utilization of resources. Probably under the BLM or RICO or some drug laws.

I think lawyers everywhere might have just cringed at that one...... :D

Book of Eli: What do you think of Rome vs the Barbarians? That might be a bad comparison. I don't know. It seems right to me.


The funny thing about WWZ the movie was, they sent a team to take "A DOCTOR" to Korea to figure out a cure to the Zombie Pandemic and he dies within the first 15 minutes from a self inflicted, accidental discharge gunshot wound. At that point the mission is over. What?? Pretty boy house dad / Retired UN investigator wants to keep looking for clues??? Do you have an medical training?? No....well shut up and get in the plane, because we are going back.

The other thing that makes me cringe about the bunker scene in the Road is the kid is eating a bag of Cheetos. I know they are starving and all but a 10 year old bag of Cheetos...yuck.

The problem is taking the most logic and prudent steps in a disaster movie is boring. Its all about keeping the audience excited, and keeping the story going for at least an hour and a half. If a haunted house movie started with the family moving out when the first spooky thing happens, there wouldn't be a scary movie. Same with a disaster / action movies. If the main character did everything right, you would have a boring movie where the character avoids trouble, does not have any perils, and does not suffer too much. 2 hours of someone hanging out in a bunker filed with food, or hiking cross country and avoiding confrontations will not sell tickets.


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The other thing that makes me cringe about the bunker scene in the Road is the kid is eating a bag of Cheetos. I know they are starving and all but a 10 year old bag of Cheetos...yuck.


How else can you make any money with product placement? :crazy: Everything above ground was dead, even though in real life the scavenger bugs would thrive and those are chock full of enough protein and carbs to keep you going indefinitely...

But anyway, it was a fun read. Thanks!

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The other thing that makes me cringe about the bunker scene in the Road is the kid is eating a bag of Cheetos.

If I manage to survive a decade after doomsday, then expiration dates be damned, I'm totally eating that bag of Cheetos! :D


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The one thing that really bugged me about the movie "The Road" was that plan B consisted of putting the revolver in the kid's mouth and pulling the trigger. :shock: :roll:

Not exactly a plan B I could or would support, much less engage in training for it.

So yes Hollywood in this scene of the movie is saying it is better to give up and die by your own hand than to strive to survive. Improvise, adapt and overcome becomes "when the going gets tough you need to check out". Life is so terrible without "civilization" that you are better off dead than surviving. That said I do not think that was the movie's overall message.

Still you would have been better off doing the opposite of the "hero".



BTW one reason Hollywood does these things is for drama. Drama sells tickets. Who wants to see a movie about a ZS'er who is properly prepared for and can deal with the SHTF in an efficient and orderly manner. Sounds rather boring does'nt it. :wink:



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The other thing about WW-Z that drove me nuts was the AN-12/C-130 that could fly non-stop for 16 hours to Korea and then non-stop to Israel. Hollywood always assumes that all planes/helicopters can fly 1,000's of miles un-refueled. Sorry but without refueling (aerial or ground) both planes would be on the ground whether or not they wanted to be long before 16 hours elapsed even if they were turned into a flying fuel tank.

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Thinking about The Road..... I don't remember the bunker being in the movie version, but the whole story occurs roughly 10 years after the event. If 99.99% of the world population is dead and a bunker and food stores have obviously not been touched in the last 10 years, I'll assume there is some sort of Common Law allowance for utilization of resources. Probably under the BLM or RICO or some drug laws.

I think lawyers everywhere might have just cringed at that one...... :D


Yes the bunker was in the movie.

And yes there is actual legal standing of breaking in and eating someone else's food in a survival situation. It is why often times cabins out in the woods don't have locked doors, to allow for folks in trouble to access the place in emergencies.

Of course not saying that folks should plan to scavenge, but I am pointing out there are laws that do allow for emergency use of unoccupied property if it is necessary for immediate survival.

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Hope I remember this right, oh, and SPOILERS if you haven't seen it.







anyone ever realize than in THE ROAD, it was the 'nice' couple at the end that took in the kid, were the reason dad died? They were fine at the bunker, then sounds of people snooping around outside (the couple looking for them) made dad decide to abandon the ton of food, causing him to starve on the road just as the couple catch up to the kid.

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Nope. The man was coughing blood and knew he was dying very early in the novel and movie.


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Nope. The man was coughing blood and knew he was dying very early in the novel and movie.


Which is why he kept moving. Hoping to find someway to make his son as safe as possible. Honestly, The Road, to me, was more about a father's love for his son, and raising him correctly, than a PAW book. The PAW simply amplified the steps any good parent would go to ensure their child's well-being, something that was very lost in the movie (which I was disappointed in, tbh).

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ineffableone wrote:

Yes the bunker was in the movie.

And yes there is actual legal standing of breaking in and eating someone else's food in a survival situation....


Wow! I did not know that. When I have my own cabin some day, I'll have to remember that and leave the doors unlocked. I'll have to look up the laws.


On a general note, I figure a PAW will have enough troubles even if you ARE making all the "right" decisions. Which would be an interesting movie. Watching folks try to mitigate risk while chaos boils up anyway. I'd watch it anyway.

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#11 Bad Idea: When the Government knocks on your door, open wide and say 'hello'.
Film Adaptations: Outbreak, The Crazies.
Why It Looks Good: Because its the Government, an organized group, that is trying to 'help' the community in time of need.
why Its Dumb: Because the Government, an organized group, always has its own agenda, which doesn't include the individual's survival, just its own survival and 'the people's' survival only as percentages on paper.
Lesson Learned: When the Government knocks on your door, hide behind the couch.

#12 Bad Idea: Exchange a tried and battle tested weapon for an unknown weapon that looks good.
Film Adaptations: Dawn of the Dead 2004
Why It Looks Good: Because the paint isn't chipped and its already clean and maybe its lighter and you remember a friend of a friend writing something in the ZS forums about it.
why Its Dumb: Jake Weber swapped his 3 ft iron pry bar made in Detroit for for a light weight, crochet mallet made in Korea. I have no further comment, if you can't see how dumb this is IRL no written words could enlighten you. People are only that lucky in the movies.
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It's been said before within this thread, that a 10-30 year survival storage capability by a private idividual isn't possible, so you better have ways to acquire, grow or make the stuff you need after your provisions run out, or move to an area that will offer sustenance. In other words, you must have a plan for self sufficiency and sustainable provisions if you want to bug in long term.

DOD If you remember the reason they stayed at the mall in the 1978 version of the Dawn of the Dead was because it turns out it was an emergency supply shelter and there were ton's of non perishable food supplies there. How they got their water was a mystery but if I was caught in a fast unfolding event like that with nothing but the clothes on my back and stumbled across a stash like that, I'd probably do the same thing. The emergency provisions were for the public and it was an emergency, and if the owners of the mall showed up and asked me to leave, I'd worry about the eviction then. "What? This isn't the emergency shelter area? My bad." The 2004 version they were only at the mall because of the 1978 version was set there. [The writers didn't get that.] I don't think they'd be able to stay there more than two weeks in reality, especially with that many people [there were only 3 in the 1978 DOD]. Malls have food courts but the only food stuff in them that would last two weeks past a PAW are the Potato Chips. And who trades a 3 ft pry bar for a crochet mallet?!?

Zombieland Abandoning a Safehouse For The Possibility of Something Better? I don't have a problem with this as long as your not leaving a comfy, fully provisioned fortress to find nirvana. This was/is two fold reasoning, where they were individually, they couldn't stay, and as a group the goal of the Amusement Park was a morale boost for everyone. Zombieland was a scavenger's dream so they really never had to worry about food or water or shelter or guns or gas or working vehicles or whatever, so why not go on a vacation to Wally World with Emma Stone. I would. But yes IRL the grass may seem greener on the other side of the street, but you'd probably get your brains eaten out crossing the road.

The Road annoyed me to the point that I've only watched it twice. The second time was a couple years later, and just to remind myself why I thought it was so annoying the first time. How could I forget that a 10 year old that has lived their entire life in the PAW, be such a sheltered, winy, incapable, loser. Was that a boy or a girl BTW? At 10 he should be better than his father or how dare the father not teach his son anything, its the PAW for crisakes.
Also I will disagree with considering the bunker as being looted and a capitol offense after 10 years. If you need a law cited, property is considered abandoned after x months of non payment, and all assets within can be trashed. "We were just cleaning out the property for the bank, officer, this property is in foreclosure due to non payment and abandonment." Trespassing, what about Squatters rights, etc, where were the owners, if they wanted them out they needed to start the eviction process. If it was a month or two after the event then that may be different. ETA how do think that Coke tasted? How long does that stuff keep?

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Boondock wrote:
Nope. The man was coughing blood and knew he was dying very early in the novel and movie.


Which is why he kept moving. Hoping to find someway to make his son as safe as possible. Honestly, The Road, to me, was more about a father's love for his son, and raising him correctly, than a PAW book. The PAW simply amplified the steps any good parent would go to ensure their child's well-being, something that was very lost in the movie (which I was disappointed in, tbh).


I always got the impression from the book and the movie, that they were heading south basically to some gulf shore point and hugging the coastline to Mexico. It was never mentioned where in the USA they were in the book or the movie. Ironically most of the filming was done in PA, because of tax reasons and we have a lot of run down stuff, including an abandoned stretch of turnpike.


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woodsghost wrote:
On a general note, I figure a PAW will have enough troubles even if you ARE making all the "right" decisions. Which would be an interesting movie. Watching folks try to mitigate risk while chaos boils up anyway. I'd watch it anyway.


Generally most Hollywood stuff seems to get bogged down in the "everything that can go wrong, does" gimmick that is so popular in horror movies but now in action and drama as well. The car not starting when you need a fast get away, the essential item dropping and going somewhere difficult to reach, the damsel twisting her ankle when attackers are gaining on you, etc.... It has gotten so bad that watching stuff I am often wondering what the probabilities of all this bad stuff happening to one person, and can often predict the movie because you see the set ups a mile away for the next impossible bad luck happening.

I agree that a PAW movie or show would still be exciting with all the right decisions, because there is just going to be too many crazy moments prepared or not. I too would love to see this sort of story played out. It would be quite interesting.

Something I think could be really interesting too, is a dual story line one with folks doing it right, and one with the messing up and screwing up. So the audience can see the difference between them.

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ineffableone wrote:

Something I think could be really interesting too, is a dual story line one with folks doing it right, and one with the messing up and screwing up. So the audience can see the difference between them.


That would be neat!

I also like the idea of a Raider and Bunker group,and the differences. Or maybe a mobile group and stationary group. The different challenges each face.....

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#13 Bad Idea: Ditching a working firearm that you've had experience with and most likely zeroed to you. I see this a lot in PAW films/books, the character has perfectly working firearm and plenty of ammo left for it, then they ditch it for that sexy new AK or AR. Now, I'm not saying to not take the AK or AR, I'm saying don't ditch your current firearm for one you don't know anything about, at least stash the new one in your bag to you either run out of ammo or get back to base. Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine in movies.


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