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Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by Arsenul » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:06 pm

So let's have a little fun with this post!

The setting is a zombie apocalypse. It's been a month and the power has stopped working the night before. Now your number one priority is to make a power source. Be it a wind turbine, homemade solar panel, hydro generator, what have you. You must hurry because without the streetlights or anything, the nights become darker and your unable to see the zombies as they come.

The rules are simple. You weren't able to get to your preps or they were stolen before you got home. You have to make a crude power source to charge a battery bank of car batteries. When I say a crude power source, I mean something like from "The Colony". With that being said, you can use anything you scavenge from any nearby area, but it has to be stuff from your town or city that you currently live in. With that being said, you can also use any solar panels, wind turbines, or damns that produce power that are already in your city. But if you decide to make a power source, describe it. If there is a YouTube video, post the video. Or you can even go further and make the power source and have it as a future prep.

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Re: Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by buck85 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:21 pm

It would be a hand/pedal charger. More thought and actions soon.
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Post by Arsenul » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:44 pm

buck85 wrote:It would be a hand/pedal charger. More thought and actions soon.
I'm actually working on a few of those. One has to do with using a exercise bike, one has to do with using a hand crank, and the last has to do with this video.
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Re: Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by Tyndmyr » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:29 pm

Well, the coast isn't far off. I can find little creeks and what not fairly easily throughout the whole area, I could probably improv a water wheel easily enough. Wouldn't be fantastic power, but should suffice to keep the lights on. Fairly steady power, at any rate.

In terms of description...KISS. I might not even include a battery in the circuit initially. Big ol' wheel linked to a dryer battery or the like, linked to a circuit of bulbs. Snow shovels or what not for the wheel itself, plus as much structural support as turns out to be necessary. Should be easy enough to scavenge within a day.

Technically though, my BOB includes a powerpot and a battery/solar panel charger, so I shouldn't ever be entirely without power.

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Post by crypto » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:50 pm

alternator from a car and a waterwheel made from a water or oil drum.
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Re: Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by 2now » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:30 pm

How about the alternator attached to every car on the street? Start the car charge the battery.
No gas?
OK How many of those car batteries still have a charge? collect them and wire them together to power lights for a night or two with no generation at all. The power is just setting there stored on the side of the road.

to make your own power put a crank on the alternator, and pump.
Now you could also put a wheel on the shat instead of a crank, wrap a rope around the wheel, tie it off to a truck or car and then let the car slowly roll away down hill, again simply harvest the energy already stored around you.

But since my number one power usage appears to be lights, I pile up logs and brush and release the stored energy in the wood...with fire.
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Re: Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by SRO1911 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:09 pm

If we are going as far out as possible - - - - -
One merry go round type
as many alternators as I can come up with
a few stray dogs and cats
lots of chain, barbed hooks, and of course - zombies


zed doesnt get tired, should be able to "chase" a caged poodle until the legs rot off and I would bet that a half dozen or so all pulling at once could turn plenty of alternators - even with a major belt reduction to up RPM's to a useful level. :clownshoes: :clownshoes: :clownshoes:



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Re: Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by Arsenul » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:06 am

If your going to be using Zeds, then why not use on of those human hamster wheels?
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Post by williaty » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:38 am

1) If all I have is car batteries, I'm not going to bother. Car batteries are Starting/Lighting/Ignition batteries. They perform TERRIBLY in alternative power applications. I'm not going to bother creating something if I will only get 5-10 charge/discharge cycles out of it before the batteries are destroyed.

2) You'll have to be picky about the alternator. A lot of them now require the presence of the rest of the starting/charging system and computer control to be "switched on" so that they'll actually make current when you spin them. Some will work just fine on their own. You're going to need a lot of specialist knowledge to figure out which one to yank out of a car in order to be successful

3) The better answer is to just create a primitive generator from scratch and turn it with a bicycle. Creating a crude (and inefficient) generator is well within most people's ability if they just take the time to learn how before it's necessary. It's not rocket surgery. It's simple parts that you can almost certainly scrounge and turn into a working unit with very minimal tools.

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Post by Arsenul » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:22 am

williaty wrote:1) If all I have is car batteries, I'm not going to bother. Car batteries are Starting/Lighting/Ignition batteries. They perform TERRIBLY in alternative power applications. I'm not going to bother creating something if I will only get 5-10 charge/discharge cycles out of it before the batteries are destroyed.

2) You'll have to be picky about the alternator. A lot of them now require the presence of the rest of the starting/charging system and computer control to be "switched on" so that they'll actually make current when you spin them. Some will work just fine on their own. You're going to need a lot of specialist knowledge to figure out which one to yank out of a car in order to be successful

3) The better answer is to just create a primitive generator from scratch and turn it with a bicycle. Creating a crude (and inefficient) generator is well within most people's ability if they just take the time to learn how before it's necessary. It's not rocket surgery. It's simple parts that you can almost certainly scrounge and turn into a working unit with very minimal tools.
Point of the post is to tell us your idea for a crude generator. It isn't meant to be something that lasts forever. It's meant to be something that keeps the power on for a while.
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Re: Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by Fletch » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:08 am

I'm a teacher.

Forty kids and their bicycles.


I win I think.
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Re: Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by Murphman » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:06 am

Vegetable oil will run almost any diesel motor here in Florida with little chance of it getting cold enough to congeal the oil. Or, distill methanol while making charcoal in your wood gassifier (google is your friend) and make true biodiesel.

The wood gassifier runs your generator when everyone elses is out of gas and the biodiesel runs the vehicles to get more wood.
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Re: Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by MacAttack » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:08 am

I feel like I am cheating. I have a working water mill only a 25 minute walk from my front door.
They already have the power take offs ready to go from the large canvas drive belts to smaller V belts to run the smaller grinders and corn shukers.
All I have to do is dolly in a generator and hook it up to the belts.

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Plus I know where a 1200kw generator sits unused all set up for natural gas. They actually bought it and never installed it. Been sitting in storage for 20 years now.

Every hospital in the area has a generator. Plus the police stations have small ones for the radio towers.

There is also a mobile TV satellite up link business in the area and their two trucks have gasoline generators.

We have a welding and other gas storage facility in the area. They also fill propane tanks and deliver to home storage tanks.

We also have natural gas wells in the area. Those are self contained and could be used to run a portable generator.


The resources of a midsized city are way to much.

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Re: Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by eugene » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:00 pm

Something to keep in mind, and I can't find where I put the link, while a bicycle is the most efficient form of transportation its not the most efficient way to run a generator. For a given amount of energy in a bicycle will move you further than any other means but fora given amount of energy in you will get less energy out of a generator (efficiency loss). You will expend more energy harvesting and preparing food than the little bit of electricity you get out.

There are many ways to generate electricity, plenty of car alternators, lawn mower engines, etc. plenty of high voltage dc motors in things like treadmills (high voltage dc is the best motor to turn into a generator). You can fix up water power, wind power, etc from parts laying around. You can rewind car alternators to produce power at the lower rpm of wind or water.

There are many solar panels around from emergency call boxes along roads or large parking lots, hardware stores, etc.

The difference between car batteries and deep cycle batteries is the thickness of the lead plates. Lead can be easily melted and re-molded.
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Re: Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by angelofwar » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:34 pm

Glad to see I inspired ya arseul :clap:

The first plan is too not need it. I'm not covered entirely for a PAW, but for several weeks we'll have moderate power, and we'll have decent power for several years off what I already own. No, it's not for the fridge and all the lights in the house...a family can function with only one light in the house.

Anyway, here's my current set-up:
8500-watt Genny
(Home Made) Solar Genny consisting of 50-watt panel, Inverter, and 115Ah Deep CYcle Battery
Same set-up as above on the solar genny for my man-cave. Units could be combined if needed
~40 Eneloops AA
28 Eneloops AAA
Goal Zero Nomad-7 Kit
Various Solar/Hand crank Etons
~150 CR123's (Mainly for my Surefires)

Currently Working on a second genny out of lawn mower engine/alternator, just to prove it to myself. It'd be easy with a new engine, but worn engines need a little more TLC.

My AA/AAA's will keep my gadgets powered for ~8+ years...the rest can be easily over come by fire, for the most part.

But, once all that stuff runs out, yeah, then it's probably down to wind, and finding decent batteries for my panels to charge. Not sure how long deep cycles last, but I've read the monocrystalline panels last roughly 50 years.

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Post by Arsenul » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:14 am

angelofwar wrote:Glad to see I inspired ya arseul :clap:

The first plan is too not need it. I'm not covered entirely for a PAW, but for several weeks we'll have moderate power, and we'll have decent power for several years off what I already own. No, it's not for the fridge and all the lights in the house...a family can function with only one light in the house.

Anyway, here's my current set-up:
8500-watt Genny
(Home Made) Solar Genny consisting of 50-watt panel, Inverter, and 115Ah Deep CYcle Battery
Same set-up as above on the solar genny for my man-cave. Units could be combined if needed
~40 Eneloops AA
28 Eneloops AAA
Goal Zero Nomad-7 Kit
Various Solar/Hand crank Etons
~150 CR123's (Mainly for my Surefires)

Currently Working on a second genny out of lawn mower engine/alternator, just to prove it to myself. It'd be easy with a new engine, but worn engines need a little more TLC.

My AA/AAA's will keep my gadgets powered for ~8+ years...the rest can be easily over come by fire, for the most part.

But, once all that stuff runs out, yeah, then it's probably down to wind, and finding decent batteries for my panels to charge. Not sure how long deep cycles last, but I've read the monocrystalline panels last roughly 50 years.

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Post by Gingerbread Man » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:04 am

Fletch wrote:I'm a teacher.

Forty kids and their bicycles.

I win I think.
Yeah, child slave labor in a PAW. No one has ever thought of that. Nope. Never. :lol:
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Post by stark » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:43 am

Having the lights on will just draw them in and who knows who else. Keep the lights off and use Night Vision. Why paint a target on your back?

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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:03 am

Fletch wrote:I'm a teacher.

Forty kids and their bicycles.


I win I think.
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Re: Post Apocalyptic Crude Power Source

Post by Kelvar » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:38 am

Arsenul wrote: With that being said, you can use anything you scavenge from any nearby area, but it has to be stuff from your town or city that you currently live in. With that being said, you can also use any solar panels, wind turbines, or damns that produce power that are already in your city. But if you decide to make a power source, describe it. If there is a YouTube video, post the video.
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Post by Trippy » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:44 pm

Arsenul wrote: With that being said, you can use anything you scavenge from any nearby area, but it has to be stuff from your town or city that you currently live in.
Living a block and a half from a power plant, I will scavenge two things: Power plant techs and linemen. I'll be drinking a cold beer by the afternoon.

Yeah, I cheat. So what.

If you've made it a month into with zombies, you've hopefully found a defendable position and can make it 8-10 hours without light. Unless its wooded or there is heavy cloud cover, I can easily see someone walking around at fifty yards on a normal night.

I've never understood the need for electricity in any sort of disaster for anything but refrigeration. You go to bed earlier and can't dick around on the internet. If it's after a major disaster (storm, flood, earthquake, etc), you should be working your butt off on recovery during the day and crashing hard at night so you can start over in the morning.

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Post by angelofwar » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:08 pm

Arsenul wrote:Not to sound rude, but who are you?
I saw you had commented in my threads regarding these issues prior to starting this, and figured those had got yer wheels turning.
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Post by Arsenul » Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:53 am

angelofwar wrote:
Arsenul wrote:Not to sound rude, but who are you?
I saw you had commented in my threads regarding these issues prior to starting this, and figured those had got yer wheels turning.
Highly. I forget the post. Can you link it for me cause now I'm curious.
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Post by maldon007 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:28 am

Trippy wrote:
If you've made it a month into with zombies, you've hopefully found a defendable position and can make it 8-10 hours without light. Unless its wooded or there is heavy cloud cover, I can easily see someone walking around at fifty yards on a normal night.

I've never understood the need for electricity in any sort of disaster for anything but refrigeration. You go to bed earlier and can't dick around on the internet. If it's after a major disaster (storm, flood, earthquake, etc), you should be working your butt off on recovery during the day and crashing hard at night so you can start over in the morning.
Kids for one thing, but they would get used to it as well... Changing a poop diaper in the dark/low light though... *shudders*

But yeah, once you adjust for a lack of power (add windows/skylights/mirror arrays/etc) light during the day is no biggie... Solar to catch enough power for the night. For keeping cool, some kind(s) of absorption refrigeration.
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