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Post by NoAm » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:56 pm

LtCmdLeia wrote:That's why this thread and forum are here. For people to learn. Lets start a thread for food storage porn discussion. This way the talk is off this thread and we can help people learn.
Great Idea LtCmdLeia!

This thread will be for all of the discussion for the Food Storage Porn.
We can link the pics from the FSPorn here (if you so wish) or carry on general discussion.

Let's remember that everyone has an opinion and budget, let's try to be respectful of both :wink:
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Post by MPMalloy » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:09 pm

Hey Everyone:

Great! Another cool thread!

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Odinsown wrote:Hey Everyone:

Great! Another cool thread!

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Where's the 'like' button, LOL!
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Post by Ryder358 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:03 am

So whats the first topic of food storage disscusion?

Where does everyone get their long(er) term food storage form? I have a few different type of sources.

Beans (black, kidney, white), Rice, Red/White Wheat, Quick Oats, apple slices, powdered milk I got from a Latter Day Saints Cannery in Omaha for DIRT CHEAP. #10 cans and 30 shelf life. I wont repost the whole thing but there are charts, videos, and discussion of the LDS Cannery on this thread here: http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/view ... 28&t=93130
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Freeze Dried and Dehydrated Veggies, Fruit, Meat I'm buying from Shelf Reliance.
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Post by duodecima » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:28 am

Ryder358 wrote:Where does everyone get their long(er) term food storage form? I have a few different type of sources.
I started with my local grocery stores/meijer/walmart/Aldi/etc. Also Sams.
I then found a 'local' (not too bad a drive) farm that does a semiannual drop-ship from Walton feeds - costs more than the Walton feed catalog prices but waaaaay cheaper than individual shipping.
I've ordered some stuff from Honeyville, Thrive, and Augason.
And FINALLY last fall got to go to an LDS cannery.

In retrospect some of what I thought my cheapest options were at the time, were not, but there's a learning curve on everything and the food's still good.


Hey, NoAm? Why is that salt red?
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Post by Ten Eight » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:20 am

I'm trying to get my parents on board with some long term food storage. They want a buy once, cry once, never have to mess with it again solution. They really don't want to have to combine bulk storage items for meals.

So, pros/cons of going with a year supply type package of 2000 calorie a day Mountain House freeze-dried stuff from The Ready Store? Obviously, they'd sample some entrees first, but what else should be stored with such a kit? Vitamins? We have the water storage aspect covered, but we'd have to come up with a way to heat that water long term. I doubt it, but are there any long term food items that are not heavy in sodium?

They're not interested in heavily rotating foods, etc. They want to buy a supply, throw the boxes in a closet, obtain the heating ability to reconstitute it, and forget about it until it's needed.

Thoughts?
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Post by MPMalloy » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:09 am

Hey Everyone:

I use Thrive by Shelf Reliance for my storage food. I have over 6 months worth along with 6 months worth of water.

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Post by aus.templar » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:33 am

My parents have rain water tanks for the garden, I'm looking at getting a ceramic filter to make it good for drinking.

At the moment food storage is basically what's in the cupboards, plus a few extra things that I've put aside. A dozen or so Australian Army 24hr ration packs. couple slabs of baked beans. the old mi goreng noodles.

We've got a pretty decent stash of canned fruit and veges, rice and flour, long life milk, salt and sugar, pastas too.


Haven't really worked out how long my family has on hand... I would put it at around a month, if the fridges were working.
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Post by NoAm » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:40 am

duodecima wrote: Hey, NoAm? Why is that salt red?
http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2316645" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
We bought some Himalayan (Pink) & Hawaiian (Red) for long term storage. (They run around $8-$9 per lb.) The mineral content is much higher and I thought it would be good to have on hand. Since then, I have learned about diatomaceous earth. The organic food grade DE is extremely high in minerals and MUCH less expensive than the salts (about $30 for a 50 # bag). Live and learn and pass it on, I think this is what we constantly do in preparedness. :lol:
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Post by NoAm » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:48 am

aus.templar wrote:My parents have rain water tanks for the garden, I'm looking at getting a ceramic filter to make it good for drinking.
I still stand by the monolithic water filter set up we purchased several years ago. Here is a link to their site http://shop.monolithic.com/products/jus ... rip-filter

Long story short, these will filter mud puddles into clear drinking water and you can use them with any size buckets/barrels of your choice. They last a long time and are VERY affordable. I have several friends that love the Berkey filters, etc., but I can purchase/make an entire set up with over a dozen spare filters for the cost of one of theirs. Nothing against their opinions, but we all have ours. I still recommend the MWF systems to them to have as a back up. :wink:

There are several posts I have made about them (for a little more info on them). http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/sear ... mit=Search
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Post by aus.templar » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:52 am

NoAm wrote:
aus.templar wrote:My parents have rain water tanks for the garden, I'm looking at getting a ceramic filter to make it good for drinking.
I still stand by the monolithic water filter set up we purchased several years ago. Here is a link to their site http://shop.monolithic.com/products/jus ... rip-filter

Long story short, these will filter mud puddles into clear drinking water and you can use them with any size buckets/barrels of your choice. They last a long time and are VERY affordable. I have several friends that love the Berkey filters, etc., but I can purchase/make an entire set up with over a dozen spare filters for the cost of one of theirs. Nothing against their opinions, but we all have ours. I still recommend the MWF systems to them to have as a back up. :wink:

There are several posts I have made about them (for a little more info on them). http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/sear ... mit=Search

Thanks for the link, much appreciated.
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Post by hatchtrikk » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:59 am

How does one check that their bulk rice is still edible? I have some stored loose in plastic containers and this thread reminded me that I haven't looked at it in nearly 2 years... :oops:
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Post by greenbeetle » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:04 am

Ten Eight wrote:
So, pros/cons of going with a year supply type package of 2000 calorie a day Mountain House freeze-dried stuff from The Ready Store? Obviously, they'd sample some entrees first, but what else should be stored with such a kit? Vitamins?

Thoughts?
1. Mountain house is awesome. There are less expensive freeze dried alternatives if desired. On a per calorie basis Lindon Farms is some of the cheapest I've seen. You will get more preservatives, more salt and no meat with their products, however.

2. Do not forget oil.

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hatchtrikk wrote:How does one check that their bulk rice is still edible? I have some stored loose in plastic containers and this thread reminded me that I haven't looked at it in nearly 2 years... :oops:
White rice?

If it isn't molded, full of bugs, wet or smelling seriously funky, it's fine...

NoAm, any concerns with getting enough iodine with the Himalayan salt?

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Post by NoAm » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:16 am

Ten Eight wrote:I'm trying to get my parents on board with some long term food storage. They want a buy once, cry once, never have to mess with it again solution. They really don't want to have to combine bulk storage items for meals.

So, pros/cons of going with a year supply type package of 2000 calorie a day Mountain House freeze-dried stuff from The Ready Store? Obviously, they'd sample some entrees first, but what else should be stored with such a kit? Vitamins? We have the water storage aspect covered, but we'd have to come up with a way to heat that water long term. I doubt it, but are there any long term food items that are not heavy in sodium?

They're not interested in heavily rotating foods, etc. They want to buy a supply, throw the boxes in a closet, obtain the heating ability to reconstitute it, and forget about it until it's needed.

Thoughts?
Pros: You have a one year supply of food and you are done
Cons: My biggest beef with any of the 'One Year Supply' is you get stuff that can be acquired much more cost efficient through other measures. You also get a lot of redundancy when/if you have been doing any kind of food storage, for any amount of time.

You also have GOT to check the MSG/Sodium levels that are in some of the brands. Depending on the way the food is packaged, some methods use a lot of 'stuff' to preserve the food. This is the biggest advantage to what I have found with Thrive, they don't do that. You also have to watch out for GMO types of food that have been used in brands.
So depending on what you choose for long term food storage will develop your list of pros and cons.
Also the power source for cooking will be determined by what you choose. Some lines don't require real cooking, just rehydrating.
I did a lot of research based on my family and needs/wants and made the decision based on what I wanted for them.

As far as looking into a years supply of food, I have done several custom packages for people, from regular/everyday, to gluten intolerant and high allergy households. There are ways to personalize/customize these packages and get them affordably. In fact you can put together a package, set a budget and have it shipped to your house every month and it is a lot less painful.

I try to make sure no one ever thinks I am trying to just 'sell' anything but through helping them with research and their personal considerations. The decision is usually made pretty easily and they see how different things (bulk mylar, prepared and whole foods) can work for them.

Sorry if I haven't answered all your questions, but I hope I at least gave you some things to consider.
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Post by NoAm » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:28 am

Confucius wrote:
hatchtrikk wrote:How does one check that their bulk rice is still edible? I have some stored loose in plastic containers and this thread reminded me that I haven't looked at it in nearly 2 years... :oops:
White rice?

If it isn't molded, full of bugs, wet or smelling seriously funky, it's fine...

NoAm, any concerns with getting enough iodine with the Himalayan salt?
Honestly Confucius, this purchase was made upon the recommendations of an herbalist friend. She said this was something I really needed to have, so I got it. We will be using it mainly for seasoning and cooking foods, so I haven't really done a lot of research on it. We will also be using regular and sea salts that we have stored.

Interesting point though, thank you. In looking at this website: http://www.thyroid.org/iodine-deficiency/
I think most of our iodine will be coming from the dairy products we have stored. (Unless I can get my hands on some ZPAW seafood)
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Post by Deenie7 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:38 am

I know a previous poster said their parents didn't want to break down bulk food, but for those people who are looking at their #10 cans and wondering WTF they're going to do with them for bug-in food when there is a problem, consider looking into the various "meals in jars" recipes that are popping up around the web. You can scoop ingredients out of those #10 cans, put them into quart (4+ servings) or pint (2+ servings) jars, add an oxygen absorber, screw the lid on and you've got a ready-to-cook meal that will last maybe 5-7 years like that, plus many of these recipes only need water to reconstitute. This is an especially great idea if you already opened a few of those cans and now they only have 6-12 months of freshness left as-is.

Here are a few links:
52 Method Jar Meals by "Chef Tess Bakeresse" (aka Stephanie Petersen) - named because she was originally trying to think of 7 different recipes she could make 52 each of, to make a year's worth of dinner entrees.
Rainy Day Food Storage - specifically the "Meals In Jars" and "Sauces & Mixes" links
Survival Mom article - and scroll down for two more "Dehydrated Dinners" links

Stephanie Petersen also collected her 52 Method recipes (with several new breakfast recipes) and her other cooking-with-food storage plus regular food recipes into a cookbook, The Gourmet Food Storage Handbook. I'm writing an overview/review here, and you can only buy it via the Honeyville website or their 4 retail stores.

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Post by LtCmdLeia » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:34 pm

Most of my food storage is stuff I canned or dehydrated and stuff I got at Costco and Sams. My long term food storage comes from http://www.rainydayfoods.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (also known as Walton Feed). I'm a member of a co-op that doe a HUGE discount order from them every year.
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Post by Ten Eight » Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:29 pm

Thanks NoAm!

I need to review the sodium/MSG levels in the various products. My father has high BP and a high sodium diet wouldn't be the best thing for him. I've seen Thrive's monthly shipment plan thingy. I just need to see how much can be done in complete entrees.

Deenie, I'll probably be making some of those meals in jar in the future, but my parents have little interest (sadly) in expending that sort of effort (at least right now). I'm getting them on board slowly. It's a major step for them just to consider putting back any food at all. Baby steps!
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Post by NoAm » Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:49 pm

Anytime Ten Eight! I love helping with all aspects of food storage :wink:

Speaking of which, there is a great deal on 02 absorbers!
Snag these while you can....
http://www.amazon.com/Oxygen-Absorbers- ... +absorbers
The free shipping for over $25 does apply, so I grabbed 3 packs of 100.
I still pack all my bulk food in mylar bags and I also use the 02A's in mason jars when I dry seal certain items.
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Post by Deenie7 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:04 am

Consider buying a "bucket wrench" / bucket opening tool to help out less strong members of your family or group. I homebrew, and always had to get my husband to pry the lid off the fermenter bucket, even though I could carry a bucket full of 6 gallons of beer just fine. This simple plastic leverage tool lets me get a lid off a plastic fermenter or bucket full of oats/potato shreds/whatever without needing his help and without messing up the lid or its seal by resorting to using a flat-head screwdriver as a prying device.

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Ten Eight wrote:I'm trying to get my parents on board with some long term food storage. They want a buy once, cry once, never have to mess with it again solution. They really don't want to have to combine bulk storage items for meals.

So, pros/cons of going with a year supply type package of 2000 calorie a day Mountain House freeze-dried stuff from The Ready Store? Obviously, they'd sample some entrees first, but what else should be stored with such a kit? Vitamins? We have the water storage aspect covered, but we'd have to come up with a way to heat that water long term. I doubt it, but are there any long term food items that are not heavy in sodium?

They're not interested in heavily rotating foods, etc. They want to buy a supply, throw the boxes in a closet, obtain the heating ability to reconstitute it, and forget about it until it's needed.

Thoughts?
Since they dont want to mess with buckets of bulk food I think you'd have a hard time beating the 1 year emergency food supply by Thrive sold at Costco for $1499. It's a little light on meat but throw in a couple of cases of ground beef/meat variety pack and they'd be good for 20-30 years. Occasionally they'll go on sale for around a grand.

Dont forget water filtration, the best bang/buck are the filters sold by monolithic (and others). You could even toss in a couple of 250gal folding rain barrels. http://www.amazon.com/250-Gallon-Portab ... B00394XLHI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Ten Eight » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:15 am

Thanks for the suggestion. I can't seem to find out which Costco warehouses carry it. The website doesn't seem to give you an option to see what stores it's available in.

I was looking at this kit as well https://www.costco.com/30%2c144-Total-S ... 63436.html I see that the shelf lives are quite mixed. Are these "best by" dates or expiration dates?
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