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Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by absinthe beginner » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:13 pm

Study Finds Rise In ‘Doomsday Prepping’ Due To Mainstream American ‘Culture Of Fear’

https://www.studyfinds.org/study-finds- ... e-of-fear/

CANTERBURY, England — “Doomsday prepping” or stockpiling food, medicine, weapons and other supplies in case of an apocalyptic scenario has long been considered peculiar behavior only exhibited by conspiracy theorists and other extremists in the United States. However, such prepping has actually been steadily on the rise in the U.S. over the past decade. So, what’s causing this surge in stockpiled rice packets and underground bunkers? One group of researchers say it is an ever growing sense of impending doom in American culture.

Many have speculated that this surge in doomsday preppers over the last 10 years was linked to an extreme political reaction among many conservatives to Barack Obama’s initial election in 2008, but a new study out of the United Kingdom finds that neither the Obama presidency nor extreme right-wing conspiracy theories in general are the main cause of this growing phenomenon.

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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by Stercutus » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:38 pm

Hunh, and I thought it was TWD.
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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by raptor » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:06 pm

Interesting ...for me it was Hurricane Betsy,Camille and Katrina. Nothing political about any of those events.

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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by Stercutus » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:17 pm

raptor wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:06 pm
Interesting ...for me it was Hurricane Betsy,Camille and Katrina. Nothing political about any of those events.
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That is about as tongue-in-cheek as I have ever seen you.
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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by flybynight » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:15 pm

Culture of fear? Well la de da. Knew I had culture
As of now I bet you got me wrong

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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by absinthe beginner » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:16 pm

Many have speculated that this surge in doomsday preppers over the last 10 years was linked to an extreme political reaction among many conservatives to Barack Obama’s initial election in 2008, but a new study out of the United Kingdom finds that neither the Obama presidency nor extreme right-wing conspiracy theories in general are the main cause of this growing phenomenon.
The people "speculating" thusly don't know any actual preppers, I'm guessing. While most of my preparedness- minded acquaintances tend to be right of center, none of the preppers I'm personally familiar with subscribed to "extreme right wing conspiracy theories" (whatever that means) and most became preppers in response to the 2008 financial crash, rather than the Obama presidency.

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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by boskone » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:10 pm

To paraphrase something I posted elsewhere (because I'm too lazy to find it):

What we now call "prepping" used to be the norm. They didn't necessarily think "Oh, it's almost hurricane season, I should stock up.", but rather you just normally bought bags of flour, canned vegetables, and so on. Houses normally had wells or cisterns, root cellars were common, and so on.

During the post-war period women were out of the house, so things like starting a roast or pot of stew during the day to be ready for dinner wasn't practical most of the time. There was a lot of infrastructure for preserving and transporting food, though, so grocery stores went from some seasonals and basics to packed with about anything one might want. People could just swing by on the way home and buy whatever they needed.

Once communications picked up, though, people started to realize shit still happens. First it really was nuts, but regular people have started to pick up as well. (Just with less buried school bus bunkers.)

Now, in a practical sense the responses have been somewhat different. Some people want all money to go to a central organization, of course, where some people recognize that logistics prevent that from being practical. But people do recognize the need.

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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by NT2C » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:42 pm

raptor wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:06 pm
Interesting ...for me it was Hurricane Betsy,Camille and Katrina. Nothing political about any of those events.
For me, it was Dad's stories of growing up poor on the family farm. About his mom giving him a baked potato as his handwarmer/breakfast on cold winter mornings when he went out to milk cows and do his chores before sunrise and before school. Listening to stories about saving everything for the scrap drives during WWII, and then living through the '68 NYC blackout and then the one in '72.
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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by flybynight » Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:10 pm

NT2C wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:42 pm
raptor wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:06 pm
Interesting ...for me it was Hurricane Betsy,Camille and Katrina. Nothing political about any of those events.
For me, it was Dad's stories of growing up poor on the family farm. About his mom giving him a baked potato as his handwarmer/breakfast on cold winter mornings when he went out to milk cows and do his chores before sunrise and before school. Listening to stories about saving everything for the scrap drives during WWII, and then living through the '68 NYC blackout and then the one in '72.
Well I never considered that. My parent came of age right around the beginning of the depression. Stockpiling food, home garden (they both grew up on farms) home repair rather take it in.Repair rather than replace for as long as possible. Live frugally and put into savings acct. Always carried multi use knife or pocketknife. Flashlights all over house, know your neighbors , keep abreast of the news. My Dad showed me basic home electrical wiring, Carpentry, small and auto engine repair, How to lay a roof, a concrete sidewalk, asphalt a driveway, carpet laying and tile and vinyl flooring install and repair, house painting, basic plumbing. How to fish,how to hunt, field care, How to butcher. It was right there in front of me and I always thought it was me.... MY PARENTS WERE PREPPERS
As of now I bet you got me wrong

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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by absinthe beginner » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:37 pm

Raptor said: For me, it was Dad's stories of growing up poor on the family farm.

We were so poor, that one day a burglar broke into our house and we robbed him.

I slay me....

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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by flybynight » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:46 pm

absinthe beginner wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:37 pm
Raptor said: For me, it was Dad's stories of growing up poor on the family farm.

We were so poor, that one day a burglar broke into our house and we robbed him.

I slay me....
My FIL used to say " We were so poor, If I hadn't been born a boy. I wouldn't have had anything to play with
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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by raptor » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:43 pm

absinthe beginner wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:37 pm
Raptor said: For me, it was Dad's stories of growing up poor on the family farm.

We were so poor, that one day a burglar broke into our house and we robbed him.

I slay me....
That was not something I said. :lol:

My parents grew up in the Great Depression and my father served in the ETO in WW-2.

My father used to say business was easy. The competition may be tough but at least they cannot call in canon or mortar fire on your office.

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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by Evan the Diplomat » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:32 pm

boskone wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:10 pm
....(snip)..

Now, in a practical sense the responses have been somewhat different. Some people want all money to go to a central organization, of course, where some people recognize that logistics prevent that from being practical. But people do recognize the need.
Having worked with the USAID disaster response teams, in exercises not on the ground, the reason relief organizations ask for money is that it is much easier to transfer that pallets of supplies. For example, following the Haitian earthquake that Hugo Chavez blamed on our sonic earthquake machine (I miss that guy) cash was able to be spent in the Dominican Republic (the other half of the island of Hispañola) for relief supplies. These purchases stimulate the neighboring economies which in turn can help put displaced people to work.
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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by Evan the Diplomat » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:36 pm

Moved from another thread.

Yeah, the magazine with the top hat and monocle guy that makes the Monopoly Man look like nouveau riche, had a good video about prepping. Despite the rather lurid headline, they must be standing too close to the New York Post, the story was pretty well thought out on why people prep and how disaster response is overstressed.

Here is the video for your viewing enjoyment
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Post by boskone » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:29 pm

Evan the Diplomat wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:32 pm
boskone wrote:
Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:10 pm
....(snip)..

Now, in a practical sense the responses have been somewhat different. Some people want all money to go to a central organization, of course, where some people recognize that logistics prevent that from being practical. But people do recognize the need.
Having worked with the USAID disaster response teams, in exercises not on the ground, the reason relief organizations ask for money is that it is much easier to transfer that pallets of supplies. For example, following the Haitian earthquake that Hugo Chavez blamed on our sonic earthquake machine (I miss that guy) cash was able to be spent in the Dominican Republic (the other half of the island of Hispañola) for relief supplies. These purchases stimulate the neighboring economies which in turn can help put displaced people to work.
You have to get to a point where cash matters, first. Infrastructure to be rebuilt or cleared, transportation or transportation supplies to be moved in, in the case of islands and the like ships (or even planes) to be loaded and move into place, and so on.

There's a few days, maybe--but usually not in the US--longer, where the underpinnings aren't present for cash to matter. That's where prepping really matters, and throwing the "prepping money" won't help anyone.

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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by manacheck » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:35 pm

Common sense would agree with raptor, that the increasing number of weather-related disasters hitting so many people within recent years would be a major reason why prepping is becoming mainstream.

However, common sense doesn't really work in every reality. Myself aside, members of my immediate family have been through numerous experiences: floods with electricity losses that went into the weeks during cold weather times, leaving them chattering teeth and huge losses of refrigerated food. Been through hurricanes and snowmageddons. And this and that, and the other thing.

But they never started to prep even a little bit, even think about prep, in any way, shape or form, until all the politics of fear started ramping up around the previous two election times. Every time we get around the time of an election. Every time there's a new fearmongering news blitz about this, that, or the other thing that's very unlikely to directly hit them, but sounds astounding? That's when for two weeks, they say, "Oh! We need to prep!" and they go and buy gas masks that they never try the fit of, water filters that they never test to see how it works, and talk about putting in a hand pump well and buy a generator.

In the meatime, they still ignore the more frequent issues and realities like local power disruptions that stop the tap from working and the internet and satellite to be unusable. They let their phones die from low battery and don't keep the backup power banks I give them charged against emergencies- so when they're out in a car and have trouble, they can't call me for help because their batteries are dead and are without charging cables or backup power banks, and remain stranded for hours. I hate that. But it's not something talking or experience again and again has ever changed or fixed.

It's really just a kneejerk reaction when they try and do a "prep" fling, and its not grounded in reality or experience, but in the fantastic and more unlikely unknowns. They have a gas stove with electric starter, but don't have matches. But when faced with political stress, they're willing to buy extra canned tuna, if not an extra few gallons of water.

For some people having gone through something like Harvey, maybe experience leads how prep works. But I think the politics and media frazzle is what prompts a lot of the prepping for many others.

Me? I've been without running water before. Without food or power or access to news or light. I don't give a shit if other people think that I'm unprepared without a gas mask and chemical suit. Even in my tiny place, even with my highly limited budget, I make having at least ten gallons of water my priority. Anytime a thunderstorm comes, I mentally checklist batteries are charged and sufficient laundry is clean. That my meds are as up to date as I can manage, in case a critical road gets closed or washed away. Experience telling me what'd happen, be disrupted, first, as a likelihood, if anything happened.

Not that other preps are useless or a bad idea, but first things really ought to come first. Viewing food porn is great, but if you have no money and a closet filled with a hoarde of 25 year emergency foods, you're going to be in a hard way if you need to move. Buying a gas mask is sweet, but if you owned it for 10 years and have no filters there's literally no point there.
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Post by raptor » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:13 pm

QFT
Me? I've been without running water before. Without food or power or access to news or light. I don't give a shit if other people think that I'm unprepared without a gas mask and chemical suit. Even in my tiny place, even with my highly limited budget, I make having at least ten gallons of water my priority. Anytime a thunderstorm comes, I mentally checklist batteries are charged and sufficient laundry is clean. That my meds are as up to date as I can manage, in case a critical road gets closed or washed away. Experience telling me what'd happen, be disrupted, first, as a likelihood, if anything happened.
These are key preps; having a plan and the right state of mind about such matters.

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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by absinthe beginner » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:03 pm

New Study Finds Media-Generated Fear Is Driving "Doomsday Prepping"

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08- ... y-prepping

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Re: Study finds rise in Doomsday Prepping due to culture of fear

Post by buck85 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:11 am

I have many reasons, but fear is not one of them.
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Let them hate...So long as they fear!

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