Yea Dr.McDougall is a diet guru. I guess anyone who promotes a diet is a diet guru. I was thinking of the kind of people who don't have any real evidence to back up their claims. Dr.McDougall sites studies to back up his claims.the_alias wrote:Purple Mutant - here is what I don't get. You've posted about this diet and ever since people have challenged you you've spent time qualifying it pretty heavily. You sayAnd this seems exactly what you have done...They just buy into diet gurus. In the internet age there are no shortage of them.
What is this Dr McDougall but a 'guru'? He is on the fringe as you and others have acknowledged. And his diet is extreme, to me it seems as extreme as a Keto diet, just the other way.
Anecdotal evidence that it is making you feel better does not qualify as anything for the rest of us. I've deliberately avoided posting quotes I've seen that rubbish this diet for that same reason.Of course it is ok to have these items. Where exactly have you seen it suggested otherwise?I wanted people to know that yes it's ok to have rice, beans, wheat, oats ETC in your pantry. I wasn't expecting the strong reaction I got
I think most people here know that basic prepping can be as simple as rice and beans. Not controversial.
That being said clearly you will continue this diet in a modified form so I wish you the best of luck with your continued weight loss journey.
Yea I do tend to get enthusiastic about Dr.McDougall's ideas. I have been losing weight without any real effort on my part. I have had wight issues since I was a kid. I found something this is working great and is easy to stick with. So yea I am going to get excited about that. As an autistic person I am prone to getting fixated on things. Whatever I happen to be into at the time I want to share with people. In the past the sharing got to the point of being annoying. This post was part of that. Was was going through my mind was "I want to share this. Hey many people have starches in their disaster food stash. I bet people on the ZS forum would be interested in Dr.McDougall's ideas". Like I said, I wasn't expecting the strong reaction I got. Now I am regretting having started this thread.
the_alias wrote: I do think carbs provide an easy overload of calories for many people and frankly this is also what gets confused and has led to the situation today. If you're working hard and burning calories it doesn't matter but most people are primarily sedentary so naturally they put on a lot of weight and hence 2/3 Americans are overweight.
Not all carbs are the same. High amounts of sugar; especially in liquid form are a great way to pack on the calories. Recently there was a week where I only lost a half a pound. I realized that was due to consuming too much juice. Whole starch foods on the other hand have a lot of substance. So it's difficult to get too many calories from those. I am not particularly active. But I have been losing weight by getting most of my calories from: rice, beans, potatoes, wheat, oats, corn ETC. Boiled potatoes are the most satiating food out there. They rank 323% on the Satiety Index.
The things high on the Satiety index tend to be starches. There are a few that aren't however. Ling Fish is 225%. The point is; since starch foods tend to be very satiating, you don't eat as much. I have found that over time my brains satiety signal is more more reliable and I will stop eating. In the past I would want to keep eating even though I was full. I would want to finish every last bite of food. I still have a tendency to serve my self too much food. But I don't feel the need to eat every light bite.
the_alias wrote: Lastly having read quite a bit of training and nutrition discussion from mountaineers I still strongly believe converting your body to run off fat as primary fuel is optimal. Carbs have their place like everything else but when it comes to output you only want to be burning that glucose at the top range of your exertion.
Isn't that what keto diets are about? It's my understanding that ketosis is using fat as a fuel source. It's also my understanding that cells are meant to run off glucose but can run of ketones from fat in the event of starvation. Of course I am not a nutritional scientist or dietitian so I could be wrong. I am just going by things I have found online. I have some vision issues that cause some reading problems. So much of my information comes from youtube videos. I would love to sit down and read entire studies; however after reading for a bit my brain calls it quits. This is especially true for heavy duty subjects like scientific studies. So any info I get from scientific studies is largely what someone else says the study says. I would hope that people like Dr.McDougall and Dr.Gregor aren't going to be misrepresenting the studies they site.
Also the_alias, I would be interested in seeing some of the negative commentary you found on starch based diets. Obviously anecdotes aren't as good as rigorous scientific studies. But I would be interested in hearting about people who had problems with a starch based diet.