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Oil filters!

Post by meatshieldChris » Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:46 pm

Of the major brands, who don't you trust? I've heard reports of Fram oil filters failing if you extend your oil change interval by a bit. Can anyone back that up? Other comments?

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Re: Oil filters!

Post by Real_Ale_Act » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:48 pm

Damn. We talked about this in diesel school, but the instructor was more focused on which brands were exactly the same underneath the paint - with an eye mostly towards saving money. I cannot for the life of me remember any names on that topic, but I think I recall the discussion about Frams, and that it was an old problem that's been resolved but still talked about.

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Re: Oil filters!

Post by DRoCk » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:03 pm

I don't trust Fram filters at all. I've cut them open and don't like what I see in there. Its always seemed to me like they focus on making them have neat features like that texture crap but don't make a great filter. I've also cut open plenty of Wix filters, both the true Wix and their parts store counterparts and I like their filter element better. Gotta love when you purchase a vehicle and King Kong put the filter on!

I really like the Napa filters, used them for several years with no trouble...pretty sure they are a Wix with the Napa name on them. Other than avoiding Fram, I stick pretty close to the Wix and Napa filters, never gave me trouble and have worked on several high mileage engines. I see no reason to change brands.

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Post by Real_Ale_Act » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:08 pm

DRoCk wrote:I don't trust Fram filters at all. I've cut them open and don't like what I see in there. Its always seemed to me like they focus on making them have neat features like that texture crap but don't make a great filter. I've also cut open plenty of Wix filters, both the true Wix and their parts store counterparts and I like their filter element better. Gotta love when you purchase a vehicle and King Kong put the filter on!

I really like the Napa filters, used them for several years with no trouble...pretty sure they are a Wix with the Napa name on them. Other than avoiding Fram, I stick pretty close to the Wix and Napa filters, never gave me trouble and have worked on several high mileage engines. I see no reason to change brands.

Wix! That's the name I couldn't remember. I've heard the same, and better yet, we cut one of each open in that class. No discernible difference, although I'll admit we didn't break out the micrometer, nor the microscope for that matter.
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Re: Oil filters!

Post by ranger sean » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:13 pm

Has anyone here thought of having one of these in a BOV? Yes, it is a mess to clean, but, reusable!!

http://www.professional-products.com/Oilfilter.html

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Post by dukman » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:21 pm

I usually use the Motorcraft brand they sell at Wal-Mart. But it is probably a rebadged Fram :lol:
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Re: Oil filters!

Post by meatshieldChris » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:10 pm

ranger sean wrote:Has anyone here thought of having one of these in a BOV? Yes, it is a mess to clean, but, reusable!!

http://www.professional-products.com/Oilfilter.html

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That's a great idea! the extra-plus with those is you get to see exactly the kind of crap that's in your oil pan (unusual amount of metal shavings, etc) to warn of impending engine doom.

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Re: Oil filters!

Post by Real_Ale_Act » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:21 pm

That IS awesome. I'd never seen a reusable oil filter on an engine smaller than a locomotive engine, except on the oldest marine diesels I worked on (old Detroits in continuous service as gensets since the early 1950s). Almost all marine diesels have reusable fuel filters, but reusable oil filter, no.


Thanks for that link.
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Re: Oil filters!

Post by ranger sean » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:47 pm

I am working on my BOV from the frame up right now....but this is going in it when it is done. Either a parts washer or some carb cleaner should do the trick. It is funny how many people yelled at me for bringing this idea to the table on a Jeep Cherokee forum. You guys /girls here at ZS rock !!

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Post by American_Infidel » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:59 pm

I use Motorcraft in my truck and AC Delco in my two other cars.
Never personally had a problem with Fram, but I have had numerous mechanics that I trust tell me to stay away from Fram.

But honestly, I don't know if there is much difference nowadays.
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Post by Real_Ale_Act » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:02 pm

ranger sean wrote:I am working on my BOV from the frame up right now....but this is going in it when it is done. Either a parts washer or some carb cleaner should do the trick. It is funny how many people yelled at me for bringing this idea to the table on a Jeep Cherokee forum. You guys /girls here at ZS rock !!
You could probably also wash it in diesel fuel or kerosene (especially handy if you're planning for a possible supply shortage - how much brakleen do you keep on hand really, right?), then rinse with a li'l clean motor oil so as not to get too much of the diesel in your fresh new oil.

Just a thought. I haven't actually checked out the linky yet. :D
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Re: Oil filters!

Post by TheLastRifleMan » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:06 pm

K&N, the air filter folks, also make oil filters. I have never heard good or bad about them.

For the money, Mobile One filters are probably the best out there, especially if you run synthetic oil (like I do). They are supposed to filter out 98% of all particulates and last up to 30% longer. That is their claim and I happen to believe it. They are a bit pricey, usually about 2-3 bucks more but I think they are worth it, especially for high mileage rides.
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Re: Oil filters!

Post by eugene » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:48 pm

I used fram filters for years without a problem but when the internet came about I started seeing people who did have a problem. It seems they make the anti drain valve cheap and it leaks as well as using cheap cardboard for the end caps inside. I had a fram fuel filter fail in college, it was on a TBI vehicle so it was a transition time where the filter had moved out of the carb but not under the body like more modern stuff so it started leaking gas in the engine compartment so that crappy fram fuel filter could have killed me. There was some guy who cut open several different brands and posted pictures of them so you could see how they were built.
I started using the ac delco as they are rated high and I see puralator are rated high as well.
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Re: Oil filters!

Post by rhi » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:59 pm

Here's some good links to oil filter dissections:
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TheLastRifleMan wrote:K&N, the air filter folks, also make oil filters. I have never heard good or bad about them.
They're basically the same as the Mobil One filters, with - arguably - a little better flow rate and a nut on the end.

FWIW, I use Mobil One filters on my drivers since I push the oil change interval out to about 8,000 miles or once-per-year (based on good oil analysis results).

I use a K&N on my quarter mile/muscle car since having the nut welded on the end of the can makes it easier to spin off around the headers.
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Re: Oil filters!

Post by Vicarious_Lee » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:06 pm

If you want to be really pretentious, you just can't beat Amsoil. That's the fanciest oil and filters around. I'm actually doing an experiment. When my mother-in-law got her new car, she ran it 8,000 miles on the break-in oil. I got mad and changed it to Amsoil with a new Wix filter. I'm just going to see how long it goes before the motor frags, as I'm not changing it again.

I've heard it can be up to 100,000 miles. :shock:

I run Amsoil in my car, and the factory Subaru filters, which aren't that expensive and come with a crush washer taped to every filter.

I have heard that Purolator is very good, and they make a LOT of OEM filters.
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Vicarious_Lee wrote:If you want to be really pretentious, you just can't beat Amsoil. That's the fanciest oil and filters around. I'm actually doing an experiment. When my mother-in-law got her new car, she ran it 8,000 miles on the break-in oil. I got mad and changed it to Amsoil with a new Wix filter. I'm just going to see how long it goes before the motor frags, as I'm not changing it again.

I've heard it can be up to 100,000 miles. :shock:

I run Amsoil in my car, and the factory Subaru filters, which aren't that expensive and come with a crush washer taped to every filter.

I have heard that Purolator is very good, and they make a LOT of OEM filters.
Amsoil is great stuff(fluids, and filters). I'm also a fan of OEM filters. They aren't much more than the aftermarket stuff, and were designed specifically for your vehicle.

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Post by rhi » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:36 pm

Vicarious_Lee wrote:II'm actually doing an experiment.
Follow that up with some quantitative oil analysis, VC, and I'd be very interested to hear what you learn!
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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:42 pm

rhi wrote:
Vicarious_Lee wrote:II'm actually doing an experiment.
Follow that up with some quantitative oil analysis, VC, and I'd be very interested to hear what you learn!
I won't need a quantitative oil analysis to tell me that there will be large chunks of metal, sludge, elevated blood pressure, swearing, and facepalming to the point of head injury associated with the conclusion of this "experiment". :roll:
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Re: Oil filters!

Post by Dooms » Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:47 pm

Wix (and Napa, which is made by Wix) are the way to go. It's the only thing we use on our rigs and heavy equipment. Fram is garbage.

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Vicarious_Lee wrote: I run Amsoil in my car, and the factory Subaru filters, which aren't that expensive and come with a crush washer taped to every filter.

I am unsure which motor you are running, but be aware that subaru changed the filter from the old good black style, to a new blue honeywell (aka fram) filter.

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Re: Oil filters!

Post by poorboy_616 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:54 am

Dooms wrote:Wix (and Napa, which is made by Wix) are the way to go. It's the only thing we use on our rigs and heavy equipment. Fram is garbage.

I used to work for NAPA. Yes, Wix and NAPA branded filters are identical. We had the sales rep in a every couple months to check our inventory.

And, yes Fram filters do suck! I've had more than my fair share of issues with them.....

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warlock4u wrote:
Vicarious_Lee wrote: I run Amsoil in my car, and the factory Subaru filters, which aren't that expensive and come with a crush washer taped to every filter.

I am unsure which motor you are running, but be aware that subaru changed the filter from the old good black style, to a new blue honeywell (aka fram) filter.

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2498753-post167.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Oil filters!

Post by rhi » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:06 pm

Vicarious_Lee wrote:I won't need a quantitative oil analysis to tell me that there will be large chunks of metal, sludge, elevated blood pressure, swearing, and facepalming to the point of head injury associated with the conclusion of this "experiment". :roll:
C'mon, man...take the plunge for $23 and add to the collective intelligence. :wink:
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