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I don't care for the looks of the new Titan, but the engine should be good. That said, it's too big for that truck.
I think Dodge got it right with the ecodiesel.
For reference - I once saw a hilux with a 2.4 TD pull a loaded 5 tonne truck out of a ditch then pull it home 20km. It killed the engine, but it did it. That was a late 90's hilux. The current ones are garbage in comparison.
If Toyota brought the tundra over with a 3l TD motor, I'd take it. If Ford brought the ranger out with a decent TD motor - or put one in an f150, I'd be all over it.
I drove an Isuzu kb2800 (2.8l TD) at my last job in A. Africa. It was a very good motor and it punched way above its weight. If it's even remotely the same motor GM stuck in the canyons, it would be worth a look.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:17 pm 
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I actually think the Japanese Mini Trucks would sale well here. They get good Mileage and are pretty capable.
They are kinda spartan but that makes them affordable.

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These are actually great in the right application.

The problem is that they do not meet US safety standards (air bag, crash protection, side impact, etc.) but the real problem is that they are not certified for US emission standards. (Can you say VW?)

So they cannot be on road vehicles.

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I wish there were an exemption for "work" trucks and their crash testing and some leniency on emissions.

I really think a small (old ranger/tacoma size) truck with a little diesel would sell like hotcakes. These new trucks are huge and like luxury cars. Sorry, not gonna pay over 40 grand for a Colorado or 45 for a midline F150.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:24 pm 
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I know some get through but I am not sure how. I think they are used off road only. I have seen them in the US.

That said yes a simple, inexpensive work vehicle would be be both nice and useful.

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The Twizzler wrote:
I actually think the Japanese Mini Trucks would sale well here. They get good Mileage and are pretty capable.
They are kinda spartan but that makes them affordable.



These are pretty widely available as off road only rigs, as raptor said they don't meet any of the requirements to be used on the road.

An Indian company tried to bring a tiny bare-bones diesel pickup and compete on price. Turns out the chicken tax made it hardly cheaper then larger, fancier domestic pickups so they wisely gave up.

I think the biggest hurdle is that the majority of people that want small diesels want USED small diesels, the guys buying new rigs like V8s, sport packages, or superdutys. I'm sure everyone is watching the ecodiesel and the titan closely to see how it goes, and I think Ford will eventually bring the world ranger over, but I bet it will also be priced fairly close to the f150, so we will so if people actually put their money where their mouth is.

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If we could get those Japanesee mini trucks around 12-15 thousand dollars new, I would buy one today. If you look at that and say a US pickup from 1940-1950's it seems pretty similar. A work truck not a luxury vehicle. I dont need leather bucket seats, 8 speeds, and heated seats. Give me a bench seat with an AM Radio, one speaker, steel wheels, wipers, and it has to have these.
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