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Concealed Carry-ish DIY BOV Firearm Storage

Post by skyreep » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:51 pm

So here's the low down,
Right now I'm stocking my Toyota Matrix with gear, getting it ready for winter, and anything else that might come my way. I live in a state where you can carry firearms in your vehicle without a CCP as long as the firearms are in plain sight. I don't have a CCP, partially out of laziness, and partially because open carry isn't a big deal around here. Either way, I would like to carry 1-2 handguns and my AR in the very back of my matrix but I also have to leave it in plain sight while I operate the vehicle. I'm trying to figure out an inexpensive DIY way to conceal my weapons when I leave my vehicle so that theft is less of a concern.

Any ideas? I considered building a faux subwoofer box that was hinged to unfold, revealing gun storage. That way I could unfold it when I get into my car and just fold it back up and lock it when I leave my vehicle. Thoughts? Any better ideas?
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Re: Concealed Carry-ish DIY BOV Firearm Storage

Post by mr_slappy75 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:00 pm

The idea of a fake cabinet of some sort has a lot of merit, particularly if you can make it both sturdy enough that it would offer at least a modicum of protection against an opportunistic (not determined or dedicated) thief and easy to pivot or hinge so that your firearms are compliant with your local laws once you get into your car.

I would like to observe however that unfortunately, subwoofers are apparently among those things that stereo car thieves look at as 'high value' targets. That being said I have no idea what other type of fake cabinet you could put in there that wouldn't be tempting for anyone wanting to break into your vehicle.
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Re: Concealed Carry-ish DIY BOV Firearm Storage

Post by LJ126 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:13 pm

You've got a pickle. The easiest, most cost effective way to handle the situation is to get your concealed carry permit. Your options then expand dramatically. I know that's probably not the answer you're looking for, but it's probably the best route.

The thing is, "plain sight" is totally insecure. Let's say it's plainly visible, but stored in such a way that it would be time consuming for a criminal to access. If observed, the criminal would just steal your car and drive it away so that they have the time to get your guns, and ditch the ride.

If you have your CCP, can you conceal the weapons within your vehicle? If that's the case, I can definitely help there.
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Post by Stercutus » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:21 pm

Rather than a fake woofer box use a real one, just leave plenty of room for storage in there. Has the benefit of being multifunctional.
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Re: Concealed Carry-ish DIY BOV Firearm Storage

Post by emclean » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:59 pm

i believe that the matrix is almost identical to my vibe. if it is down to the spare tire storage, and the tire being mounted so that the cavaty is facing up this ( http://www.instructables.com/id/Doughnut-Safe/ ) would be great for securing the hand guns.
there is a space forward of teh spaire tire area, and just behind the rear seats that night fit the rifle. the space is close, adn i have been meening to see what would fit, but i don't want to EDC a rifle.

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Re: Concealed Carry-ish DIY BOV Firearm Storage

Post by Mikeyboy » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:38 pm

LJ126 wrote:You've got a pickle. The easiest, most cost effective way to handle the situation is to get your concealed carry permit. Your options then expand dramatically. I know that's probably not the answer you're looking for, but it's probably the best route.

The thing is, "plain sight" is totally insecure. Let's say it's plainly visible, but stored in such a way that it would be time consuming for a criminal to access. If observed, the criminal would just steal your car and drive it away so that they have the time to get your guns, and ditch the ride.

If you have your CCP, can you conceal the weapons within your vehicle? If that's the case, I can definitely help there.
I have to agree here. I was thinking about some sort of way of making a see thru cabinet that is automatically revealed when you get in car, and is covered when you get out of the car, but honestly the money, work, time involved has got to be a lot more significant then just getting you CCP.

Also having an AR stored in your car long term, in something that is in plain sight when you are driving around town...I don't think that is a smart idea.

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Post by manowar1313 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:48 pm

Does your state consider the trunk a separate compartment? Mine does so I'm not carrying if it's in the trunk.
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Post by techmonkey » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:14 am

Also, check local laws about smuggling compartments. Hidden storage areas are frowned upon in several jurisdictions. I have heard of a few stereo installers in California who have been brought up on conspiracy charges because a storage compartment that was built into the dash or center column was used for storing drugs or illegal firearms. Generally, one of the under-seat safes with the cable lock or bolt mount would be a better option.

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Post by lailr » Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:57 pm

Also, you will surely get in a hurry, and forget to fold your cabinet back, so CCW is better

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Re: Concealed Carry-ish DIY BOV Firearm Storage

Post by zero11010 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:48 pm

You're too lazy to get a CCW license but you want an elaborate system so that when you're in your car you can make your weapons visible, but every time you leave your car you will hide them?

Does not compute.


For lots of reasons what you're asking about is a bad idea.
* I don't know about where you live, but in most urban suburban areas I've been in if you don't want your car getting broken into leaving nothing open and visible is the best solution. So, looking for a clear and in view way to display something that stores things is a bad idea. I live in California. I just returned from a trip to Texas (days each in Houston, Austin, Dallas) and each city seemed to have signs posted saying "hide everything." In most areas in the California SF Bay area if you have anything visible (let along something that looks like a sub woofer) your car is much more likely to get broken into. Even getting out of your car to hide things then leaving it shows people around you that you have things in your car. I think what I'm getting at is that the chances of your car being broken into are a hell of a lot higher than you needing an AR in your car all the time, so if you're concerned about having the AR (which is fine), you should also be very concerned about the much more likely scenarios.
* If you're too lazy to get a license which is practically handed out to everyone who shows up, do you honestly think you're going to manipulate the storage container you're talking about between visible and not visible each time you enter/exit your car?
* If CCW is an option, and you're concerned enough about having three separate firearms available in your car at all times, why would you not want a firearm on your person at all times, and two in the car? It seems odd that the CCW is of so little importance to you that you don't have it, but want all of this firepower in your Matrix.
* What are the laws in your area about locked containers? In California we have separate laws specifically about firearms in locked containers. It becomes possible to have a firearm in the car in a separate locked box. The box can be concealed and out of the way, and when aliens invade you have your revolver and can save the world, or whatever.

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Re: Concealed Carry-ish DIY BOV Firearm Storage

Post by zero11010 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:28 pm

Stercutus wrote:Rather than a fake woofer box use a real one, just leave plenty of room for storage in there. Has the benefit of being multifunctional.

Good thinking! That wouldn't work in practice. The weapons would rattle like crazy and your sound would be lame.

If you're looking for something to hide an AR you would likely be looking at two or more woofers (10's, 12's, or 15's). Those would require a decent amount of power and push a lot of air. You would get a ton of sound and the box would move a lot. The effort it would take to counter the rattle would be absurd.

It would also be a lot of weight. A quality sound box is heavy, the speakers and amps are heavy. If he's already talking about including a bunch of guns (likely a bunch of ammo), and a lot of gear, his poor Matrix is going to struggle a bit with the extra weight. The Matrix is a fine car, but if you throw in 100-200 pounds of gear it's going to feel very different (especially when you have passengers, too).

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Post by MaconCJ7 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:59 pm

While not for a car, I saw this while window shopping for a new bed topper. Novel idea that you may be able to retrofit to your trunk

"hidden" drawer that fold/slides into the ceiling.
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Post by Stercutus » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:03 pm

Good thinking! That wouldn't work in practice. The weapons would rattle like crazy and your sound would be lame.
You put another box/ compartment inside of the woofer box. Trust me it works. It is all the rage in the world of drug trafficking.
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Post by zero11010 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:36 pm

Stercutus wrote:
Good thinking! That wouldn't work in practice. The weapons would rattle like crazy and your sound would be lame.
You put another box/ compartment inside of the woofer box. Trust me it works. It is all the rage in the world of drug trafficking.
I see what you're getting at! A weight of drugs in a bag is going to be different than roughly 12 pounds of metal (assuming about 8lbs for the AR and roughly 2lbs for each pistol the OP suggested). This has a lot of factors (and it depends a little on the way the drugs are being transported. I will happily admit that transporting drugs are not my area of expertise. But, I have had giant car stereos for the last 20 years, and I'm pretty familiar with ways to ruin a sound system by introducing rattles. I also imagine that if someone is transporting dozens of pounds of drugs they have the money to pay extra to make everything perfect. The weight and hardness of the weapons will be likely to create hotspots that will basically eat through vibration dampening materials. I've had things eat through the carpeting of a trunk through a combination of weight, vibration, and time.

This doesn't say anything about your need to have these weapons be completely visible while the vehicle is in operation, and ideally, completely invisible when the vehicle is not in use. You don't want your sound system visible in your car. You don't want anything that looks like it may be valuable visible in a car. While the box and woofers for show may not be particularly valuable, if two pistols, a rifle, and a trunk full of supplies vanish, that's going to hit the wallet pretty hard. Better to have the car look entirely empty.

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Re: Concealed Carry-ish DIY BOV Firearm Storage

Post by Kutter_0311 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:21 pm

I, too, suggest just getting your CCW. It resolves soooo many stupid, complex issues.

SRS, what you're asking is silly in its complexity.

However, if you can legally keep it 'cased & unloaded' or in a locked, separated space in your vehicle, that could work, too.
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