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Criteria: To have a trauma kit that can fit in any bag I have.

Design outcome: This small trauma kit is designed to supplement first aid kits with enough medical supplies to deal with 1 traumatic injury (this has been decided looking at accident reports from S.E.S and Q.A.S)

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Trauma kit in packed form

Minor Wound Care
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30mL saline steritube x1
10cm x 8cm island dressing x4
7.2cm x 5cm waterproof island dressing
adhesive strip dressing (bandaid) x10
XL adhesive strip dressing (big bandaid) x5
7.5cm x 7.5cm gauze swabs (pk of 5) x2
7.5cm x 10cm non-adherent pad x2
eye pad x2

Bandages and Fracture management
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36 inch padded aluminium splint
10cm heavy crepe bandage x2
10cm crepe bandage x3
triangular bandage x1
sterile triangular bandage (multipurpose) x1

Trauma Supplies
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10cm x 20cm Combine Pad x2
20cm x 20cm Combine Pad x3
Emergency Bandage, 4" x1
Emergency Bandage, 6" x1
Combat Application Tourniquet x1
Thermal Blanket (shock management) x1

And Lastly, it all fits in
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Future Iterations...possible, more experience required in trauma though

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Would you consider taking out the SAM splint and putting in at least a 500 ml iv bag and cath? My theory is the SAM splint is not too useful in the field in a SHTF scenario and you can usually find other items to splint if necessary. If you are going to have this in your vehicle or something I could understand you might need it. just my 2 cent worth of a question.

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If you have not practiced with the CAT it is well worth it.

If the kit is meant to deal with trauma I would replace the minor wound band-aids with items for bigger wounds

I did not see any rolls of cloth tape. (in main kit?)

Steristrips or something like that for closing lacerations

Shears for cutting (in main kit?)

Nitrile gloves (in main kit?)

Wound irrigation syringe (in main kit?)

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shears, tape and gloves are carried in main kit, good idea with replacing the bandaids, that gives me space to carry more emergency bandages. I practice with the CAT, though probably will change to the SOF wide tourniquet (carry similar gear to work). Never used steri-strips, might be something I'll look into and I don't have an irrigation syringe, thanks for the info

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the 500mL bag of saline is a good idea, not sure about the catheter! (did you mean giving set?) if I did carry saline it would only be for irrigation, not for IV (keeping it simple and within training)

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Ok, not bad. Don't add the saline. If you don't have the capability to push it, keep some ORS in there as its first choice anyway for rehydration. Keep the SAM splint. I use them on isolated GSW 's with associated small bone fx's every day. Get rid of that Chinese version of the CAT and get a RATS. NEXT, tape, you need some either duct or defences that won't tear easily. Then more gloves If you have to treat more than one patient, cross contamination is a no-no, last, where do you live? Sounds like your an Aussie? I'd jam some medicine in there. I make my own combat pill pack out of non-American approved meds THAT WORK, that I use on Dogs and humans. A P.O med that will stop the bleeding internally, an antibiotic, and a PK to keep you going.


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Ianmcdevitt, this is an add-on module for use in addition to a main kit in an urban area (5-10 min ambulance) drugs are not needed nor advised in this kit.

However, various mentions had been made regarding things to be carried...might have to go back to the drawing board and redesign my first aid kits

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IANMCDEVITT wrote:
I make my own combat pill pack out of non-American approved meds THAT WORK, that I use on Dogs and humans. A P.O med that will stop the bleeding internally, an antibiotic, and a PK to keep you going.


Damn you Ian. Yet another offhand comment of yours that takes me 30 minutes of searching to figure out what the hell you're talking about, then another 2 hours at PubMed.gov trying to determine if it might have use in a ZPAW. I got things to do today you know :lol:

So Yunnan Baiyao (YNBY), right?

In conclusion, evidence from this systematic review and meta-analysis supports that YNBY alone has efficacy on uterine haemorrhage, ulcerative colitis and skin ulcer. YNBY combined with routine antiulcer drugs is effective in treating ulcer (especially colonic ulcer). The great heterogeneity and publication bias make the conclusion that YNBY plus routine haemostatic drugs is effective on haemorrhage should be taken with caution. More well designed and reported RCTs are needed.

Thoughts on YNBY and Lysteda (Tranexamic acid) in the combat pill pack to better aid hemostasis?


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I am stopping discussion of medications here...while they are useful the legal side of carrying RX medications without a script, AND providing them to others for use is fraught with legal implications.

I do carry RX meds...in a personal first aid kit....until I have complete the pharmacy section of my course meds are a no-go

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No one's advocating anyone take any non-prescription meds. I thought this was just a discussion forum?...CrossCut, you could always just E-mail me man, ill answer anything you want, as long as I'm still above ground. BTW, I've adapted the combat pill pack to be more effective........wanna know the ingredients? I got one of them from Iraq, then followed up here in the Dark Continent with it and it works well. Especially for folks that can't or are unable to physically start an IV for possible fluid replacement. I also learned to lessen Cobra, mamba, and Krait bites buy applying charred cow femur to the bite site and I've seen that work in West Africa. I also have a giant silver ring I was given by a Taureg Holy Man that was made especially for me to "turn metal that is directed towards you", in his words. But I don't want to violate any forum rules, I been kicked off too many forums and, hell, I'm never around anyway....anyone needs me. Just email me.


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IANMCDEVITT wrote:
------snip------I also have a giant silver ring I was given by a Taureg Holy Man that was made especially for me to "turn metal that is directed towards you", in his words. But I don't want to violate any forum rules, I been kicked off too many forums and, hell, I'm never around anyway....anyone needs me. Just email me.



Cool!!! One Ring to rule them all. I want one too. :mrgreen:

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heck, I'm all for medications...I just don't really have the knowledge yet :(

Ianmcdevitt, I would like to hear what;s in your pill pack, send me a pm :)

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Does burn gel actually work?


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Depends on many factors. Are you in the field when the burn occurs and must you move to extraction? What size and where is the BSA? Don't forget you must first stop the burning process FIRST......then, the answer is, it depends. Would I use it to numb the pain/stop the burning process/ and help me defend myself to extraction......most definitely. I use the water jells rarely, mostly I use the silver based "Flamazine" (under some name like that) but it comes in a tube and you can get it for like three bucks here. Silver is a natural antibiotic killing over 700 type germs. So as not to cross contaminate, use one full tube per person through their recovery. It looks like a giant tube of toothpaste...........yea TP. I can PM you but will be off grid for a few days. ...........YES THE RING IS SPECIAL, IT TOOK A WEEK TO MAKE AND HAS AN ANCIENT ARAMAIC VERSE CARVED ON THE INSIDE.


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Thanks Taipan821!

Believe or not I have been asking myself "what would an Aussie trauma kit look like"?

This thread has been like cheating on the exam.

Got a question though, I don't see any No. 13 or 15 bandages in there. While no where near an Izzy emergency bandage, given their size I thought they'd be handy.

Appreciate your insights given you are undergoing some training in Oz.

Happy for our American friends to advise to!

ps - is it worth some having some sort of DRABC reminder card (or similar) in the kit?

Edited to add - my only training in first aid has been via a St John course.


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Any type of "reminder card" is an excellent idea! What if it's not you using the kit but someone using it on you......excellent idea, but keep it simple. No medical terms on it.


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Whatwouldjackdo wrote:
Thanks Taipan821!

Believe or not I have been asking myself "what would an Aussie trauma kit look like"?

This thread has been like cheating on the exam.

Got a question though, I don't see any No. 13 or 15 bandages in there. While no where near an Izzy emergency bandage, given their size I thought they'd be handy.
Having used both the emergency bandage and a size 15 wound dressing...I prefer the emergency bandage, hence no wound dressings

Appreciate your insights given you are undergoing some training in Oz.
Currently studying to be a paramedic (bachelor degree) with first aid training and experience in both St Johns and SES, practice, practice, practice (and talk to people)

Happy for our American friends to advise to!

ps - is it worth some having some sort of DRABC reminder card (or similar) in the kit?
for someone not in the field...it is wise to have a quick reference...if you do it day in day out...welll, muscle memory

Edited to add - my only training in first aid has been via a St John course.

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Depends on many factors. Are you in the field when the burn occurs and must you move to extraction? What size and where is the BSA? Don't forget you must first stop the burning process FIRST......then, the answer is, it depends. Would I use it to numb the pain/stop the burning process/ and help me defend myself to extraction......most definitely. I use the water jells rarely, mostly I use the silver based "Flamazine" (under some name like that) but it comes in a tube and you can get it for like three bucks here. Silver is a natural antibiotic killing over 700 type germs. So as not to cross contaminate, use one full tube per person through their recovery. It looks like a giant tube of toothpaste...........yea TP. I can PM you but will be off grid for a few days. ...........YES THE RING IS SPECIAL, IT TOOK A WEEK TO MAKE AND HAS AN ANCIENT ARAMAIC VERSE CARVED ON THE INSIDE.


Just thinking for the motorcycle. My snake bite kit that I carry does have an ice pack. So just for however long it takes for the ambulance.

And that isnt aramaic. It says" one ring to rule them all" in elvish.


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Depends on many factors. Are you in the field when the burn occurs and must you move to extraction? What size and where is the BSA? Don't forget you must first stop the burning process FIRST......then, the answer is, it depends. Would I use it to numb the pain/stop the burning process/ and help me defend myself to extraction......most definitely. I use the water jells rarely, mostly I use the silver based "Flamazine" (under some name like that) but it comes in a tube and you can get it for like three bucks here. Silver is a natural antibiotic killing over 700 type germs. So as not to cross contaminate, use one full tube per person through their recovery. It looks like a giant tube of toothpaste...........yea TP. I can PM you but will be off grid for a few days. ...........YES THE RING IS SPECIAL, IT TOOK A WEEK TO MAKE AND HAS AN ANCIENT ARAMAIC VERSE CARVED ON THE INSIDE.


Just thinking for the motorcycle. My snake bite kit that I carry does have an ice pack. So just for however long it takes for the ambulance.

And that isnt aramaic. It says" one ring to rule them all" in elvish.


I don't know about america, but if you are interested the QAS clinical practice guidelines are on their website, everything the paramedics use has an entry in the manual.

I would be careful using burn gels on large burns, yes, they do cool down the burn (from experience being burnt) but over large areas can cause hypothermia, that complicates things somewhat :awesome:

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IANMCDEVITT wrote:
Depends on many factors. Are you in the field when the burn occurs and must you move to extraction? What size and where is the BSA? Don't forget you must first stop the burning process FIRST......then, the answer is, it depends. Would I use it to numb the pain/stop the burning process/ and help me defend myself to extraction......most definitely. I use the water jells rarely, mostly I use the silver based "Flamazine" (under some name like that) but it comes in a tube and you can get it for like three bucks here. Silver is a natural antibiotic killing over 700 type germs. So as not to cross contaminate, use one full tube per person through their recovery. It looks like a giant tube of toothpaste...........yea TP. I can PM you but will be off grid for a few days. ...........YES THE RING IS SPECIAL, IT TOOK A WEEK TO MAKE AND HAS AN ANCIENT ARAMAIC VERSE CARVED ON THE INSIDE.


Just thinking for the motorcycle. My snake bite kit that I carry does have an ice pack. So just for however long it takes for the ambulance.

And that isnt aramaic. It says" one ring to rule them all" in elvish.


I don't know about america, but if you are interested the QAS clinical practice guidelines are on their website, everything the paramedics use has an entry in the manual.

I would be careful using burn gels on large burns, yes, they do cool down the burn (from experience being burnt) but over large areas can cause hypothermia, that complicates things somewhat :awesome:



cool. might throw a small one in there.


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