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This is the pack that I've built the kit in.
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This Tag product is discontinued but I already had it so here is TAG's blurb about it:

Tactical Assault Gear's Basic Medical Pack is designed to provide essential medical equipment in any battle field trauma situation.

• Made with 1000 Denier Cordura nylon.

• Top carry handle allows quick accessibility from any type of vehicle.

• Outer cinch straps to compress the pack when fully loaded.

• Individual internal compartments to separate your medical equipment.

• Internal mesh pockets allow quick view of contents.

• Internal pouch for 100 ounce hydration bladder.

• Large opening for hydration tube so you will not have to disassemble your mouth piece to get it in and out of your pack.

• Contoured shoulder straps with a fully adjustable sternum strap.

• Shoulder straps are placed wider on the pack to prevent uncomfortable pinching around your neck.

• Aluminum stays for added rigidity that can be easily removed if not needed.

• Zippered Gusset at the top of the pack allows for quick and easy access to your hydration bladder without having to open the main compartment.

• 100oz. Source hydration bladder space.

• Dimensions: 16" x 13.5" x 8", 1728 cubic inches

This kit is intended more for my remote back-country vehicular trips where self rescue is the main option and external help may only be available via helicopter. Places such as these in Arizona, the Sierra Nevada Mountains or Death Valley are typical locations.

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I will follow up with posts and pictures of how I have set the bag up.
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I obtained this bag through a Navy medic assigned to the USMC and the list price was about $300 at the time. Besides "normal" first aid I wanted to be able to deal with stopping potentially large losses of blood until better qualified care could be obtained

The current weight is 22 pounds and being in a backpack means that I can easily haul it to an injured person who is not near my vehicle.
It is set up with 4 external pouches for fast access to some items. Overall the contents and their internal locations are subject to change and improvements.

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Starting with the black Benchmade strap cutter and going clockwise:

First Pouch: Two (2) CPR shields and a pair of nitrile surgical gloves

Second IFAK style Pouch Small EMT shears, one (1) CAT and one (1) Adventure Medical Trauma Pack with Quik Clot

Third Pouch (wi. flag): WeatherMax all-weather notepad, pens and mechanical pencil

Fourth Pouch: One (1) Princeton Tec Remix Pro single CR123 headlamp and One (1) Streamlight Microstream C4 single AAA battery penlight

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Behind the pouches is the Pack's first zippered compartment which contains:

Medicine for Mountaineering & Other Wilderness Activities, softcover book, 4th edition

Rubbing Alcohol. 12 ounce plastic bottle

Oral Rehydration Salts, Five (5) packets

Hyfin Individual Chest Seals, Two (2)

Sam Splints; Two (2) standard sized and One (1) Softshell version for Hand/Wrist/Forearm

One Airway tube (never used one but had it and threw it in)

Also One (1) 9" x 14" compartmented Plastic Box

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Basically it contains:

Alcohol Prep Pads
Nitrile Gloves
Straight Razor Blades
Small Folding Scissors
Safety pins
Bic lighter
Elastic Bandages
Disposal Bags marked as Biohazard

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The main compartment is layered with one wall made up of mesh storage pouches, a fold out divider and a large storage area

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Top Row Left: medical tape, five (5 )rolls, various sizes
Top Row Right: 3M Coban rolls, two small one large

Middle Row Left: Disposable wire splint (small) and two burn gel packages
Middle Row Right: Small packages of Quik Clot powder, five (5)

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Hydrogen Peroxide, two (2) 4oz bottles
Eye wash solution, 1 oz bottles, three (3)
Antihistamine bottle, 100 tablets
Aspirin bottle, 175 tablets
Ibuprofen bottle 200mg, 100 caplets

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Fold out divider

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Large medical shears
Tweezers, small metal
Tweezers, regular size, platic, disposable
Neosporin, two (2) tubes (one OEM one generic)
Anti-Itch Cream tube
Gauze Rolls, 2" x 6 yard, eight (8)

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Main compartment

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Clockwise

First Pouch, bottom Right:

Nalgene Cantene, 32oz (intended for rehydration salt mix)
Hand sanitizer, two (2) bottles, 2oz
Toothache relief & repair kit
Instant Cold Compress, four (4)
Instant Heat Compress, four (4)
CAT, one (1)
Underneath the Pouch is stored one (1) heavy duty survival blanket

Between the Two Pouches

Adventure Medical Trauma Pak with Quik Clot
Small roll of duct tape

Second Pouch, bottom Left:

Telfa sterile pads, assorted sizes
Assorted regular bandaids, fabric style, in ziplocs
Space blankets, small, four (4)
Oximeter, Nonin Oryx model 9500
Pepto Bismol Tablets, box of 30
Laxative tablets, box of 24
Anti-diarrheal, box of 12 softgels

Open compartment, Left:

Abdominal Bandage, Big Cinch 12"x16", two (2)
Compression bandage, Cinch Tight 8"x10" abdominal pad, one (1)
Coban, 1"x5yd, five (5) rolls
Kerlix, 4.5"x4yd, one (1) roll
Gauze, 4"x10yd, two (2) rolls
Tegaderm, 4"x4", ten (10)
Tegaderm, 2"x2", ten (10)

Open compartment, Right:

Cover sponges, 4"x4", sixteen (16)
Flexderm Hydrogel 3”x3”, one (1)
Steri-strip, 1/2"x4", three (3) packs
Steri-strip, 1/4"x4", two (2) packs
Eye Pads, two (2) boxes
Compress dressing, 5"x6 & gauze bandage 4"x56"", one (1)
Bandage roll, 4.5"x4yd

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I know a surgical PA and they just brought me two huge bags of new supplies so I may augment or change some things that i posted

Sample of some of the items:

Povidine Iodine swab sticks
Chlora-prep One Step packages
Steri-strip packages
Gauze sponges, anti-microbial 4"x4"
Tegaderm 2"x2"
Tegaderm 4"x4"
Tegaderm 6"x8"
Suture removal kits
Gauze sponges, 4"x4"
Gauze sponges. 2"x2"

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Your thread is what got me moving to post up my first build :mrgreen:

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teotwaki wrote:
I know a surgical PA and they just brought me two huge bags of new supplies so I may augment or change some things that i posted

Sample of some of the items:

Povidine Iodine swab sticks
Chlora-prep One Step packages
Steri-strip packages
Gauze sponges, anti-microbial 4"x4"
Tegaderm 2"x2"
Tegaderm 4"x4"
Tegaderm 6"x8"
Suture removal kits
Gauze sponges, 4"x4"
Gauze sponges. 2"x2"


That's one helluva vehicle kit! Gotta say I love Tegaderm-type dressings. They take up almost no space, weigh almost nothing and can do ... a lot of things that other dressings can't. One of the most overlooked items in backcountry kits. Good call!


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Jorian wrote:
That's one helluva vehicle kit! Gotta say I love Tegaderm-type dressings. They take up almost no space, weigh almost nothing and can do ... a lot of things that other dressings can't. One of the most overlooked items in backcountry kits. Good call!


Thanks for looking the kit over and for the compliment! The most interesting use of Tegaderm that I've seen was on a child's eye. The transparency of Tegaderm compared to gauze kept the child from becoming upset and trying to tear off the dressing.

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Your thread is what got me moving to post up my first build :mrgreen:


Happy to be of service!

I think my vehicle bags are going to be built in a couple of old Army-issue Combat Lifesaver bags I have. They're far from optimum, but they're available at no cost right now.

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Happy to be of service!

I think my vehicle bags are going to be built in a couple of old Army-issue Combat Lifesaver bags I have. They're far from optimum, but they're available at no cost right now.


Have you started a build thread?

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Nope. I haven't even had time to inventory the old supplies still in them. My best recollection is of quite a few ancient band aids. I think there's an expired IV bag in one of them. My wife brought them home - she was CLS trained. I never was.

I was also amazed at how thorough my old, German-road-rules, auto first aid kit is. (I was stationed in Germany 15+ years ago. German law requires all cars to have a first aid kit. I just bought one at the PX and tossed it in the trunk.) But the inventory sheet is in German. I can read a little, but things like the German phrase for gauze pad are beyond my vocab. :ohdear:

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Nope. I haven't even had time to inventory the old supplies still in them. My best recollection is of quite a few ancient band aids. I think there's an expired IV bag in one of them. My wife brought them home - she was CLS trained. I never was.

I was also amazed at how thorough my old, German-road-rules, auto first aid kit is. (I was stationed in Germany 15+ years ago. German law requires all cars to have a first aid kit. I just bought one at the PX and tossed it in the trunk.) But the inventory sheet is in German. I can read a little, but things like the German phrase for gauze pad are beyond my vocab. :ohdear:



mull bandange a.k.a. gauze bandage
mull pad; gauze pad


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I remember a town named Mullheim...does that mean Gauzetown? :awesome:

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I remember a town named Mullheim...does that mean Gauzetown? :awesome:


I am unsure so let me mull it over :v:

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Just noticed one gap in my kit: no thermometer

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Just updated main compartment contents with more 4x4 pads and more Tegaderm and rearranged a couple of items.

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Amazon has disposable ones: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E8J ... _i=desktop

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Just noticed one gap in my kit: no thermometer


Amazon has disposable ones: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E8J ... _i=desktop


Thanks! From what I understand these cannot be allowed to get hot since they are one-use. Would electronic thermometers be better for a kit that spends time in a vehicle?

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A thermometer is not a huge deal. Your kit looks really, really good. I would focus more on environmental medicine aimed towards the climates you seem to operate in and beef the kit up in those areas. I honestly have carried a thermometer maybe, two times in 30 years? Use your signs / symptoms / chief complaint / history of the present illness as your north star.


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A thermometer is not a huge deal. Your kit looks really, really good. I would focus more on environmental medicine aimed towards the climates you seem to operate in and beef the kit up in those areas. I honestly have carried a thermometer maybe, two times in 30 years? Use your signs / symptoms / chief complaint / history of the present illness as your north star.


Thanks for the feedback and high praise!

Primary environments will be western deserts and mountains of the U.S. with temps ranging from below freezing to somewhere past 110 degrees. The high heat is what made me think about including the rehydration salts. Potential worst case injuries could include accidental gunshot wounds, lacerations and broken bones.

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I'll give you an example now that I have some time......a lot of your pictures seem to show you in pretty remote areas. You need to ask yourself questions, the WHAT IF's......................Now what am I gonna need to keep someone alive with my level of training? What skills can I learn that would help me keep someone alive?...........HYDRATION is a biggee, ORS, Maybe I should learn IV skills?.........FRACTURES, both simple and compound (am I ready for those?)......... PATIENT CARRIES, so maybe a pole-less litter attached to the outside of that fancy pack?............OK, I know I won't be doing CPR out here because the chances of someone surviving with either a traumatic or medical arrest are about nil, but what will I be doing?......How about making sure my signaling equipment is up to speed? Pen flares? Strobe attached to that pack? How about some kind of emergency flow chart so maybe someone thats not familiar with the contents knows how to use the stuff? A MIST card? How's your medical gear for eye injuries? Imagine trying to walk someone out with their eyes bandaged? Is there a small light attached to that pack that would illuminate you so people can follow you while walking on a narrow trail? Headlamp for everyone? Cyalume for trail markers for rescuers?..............And really, really important if I happen to be traveling with you, Got any pain control stuff in there? Ice packs are underrated.......and even though I hate carrying it, if your out there alone for awhile, a BP cuff............did you have one? I may have missed it............Honestly, I wish I was closer, I'd go through that pack top to bottom with you for fun and in about four hours, you'd be the king.


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