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Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by Parameducated » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:26 am

Hi all,
I am on a quest for a Mystery Ranch SAER Pack. They have been discontinued for a few years now, but I'd just about give up a kidney to get my hands on one. If you have one, or know someone who does, please let me know. Thanks :)

If you know of an aid ruck that is equally gargantuan, that would be fine too. I'm fairly certain, however, that such a thing does not exist.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by VXMerlinXV » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:07 pm

I have something large, but probably not as baller as an SAER pack. It's an ALICE that was heavily modified, reportedly by Tactical Tailor for a PJ. I don't know how true that is, but it's a solidly built pack. (If anybody has any additional info on this pack, I'd love some history) Note that the load-out shown is simply for perspective of scale. I load it specifically for whatever I'm doing, and keep it empty otherwise.
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From what I can tell, it's got the 5 pocket modification, where pocket #2 and #4 are standard small zip pockets above the normal ALICE pocket. There's also a zippered opening in the bottom to access the main compartment, and a pouch under that that will take a compressed sleeping bag, blankets, tarps, or a roll up litter.
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Pockets #1 and #5 are elongated and set to take O2 bottles. There're two retention straps, and pockets that will fit standard NRBs or Nasal canulas. I've also rigged a 3 liter camelback in one of these pockets, since there's no ready made hydration compatability
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The #3 pocket is set up with three divided compartments (I added a galls pull bag to each to show size) and three organizer flaps. The large mesh side flap holds a large trauma dressing/burn sheet, and the two smaller mesh compartments fit 4x4 or 5x9 with room to spare.
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This is the bottom compartment I mentioned earlier.

I do not know much about the SAER pack, but shy of trying to bring out an entire OR, there's nothing I could think to pack that I couldn't fit in this ALICE. Heck, a loaded STOMP II fits in the main compartment if you want to just go full blown silly. The only things left I would change would be to send it back to TT for a claymore pocket on the flap. If you look, there's a set of fastex buckles on the top, my guess would be for a smaller aid bag, which I don't have a need for, so I would prefer to use the space for further storage. I also would eventually like to upgrade the carry system, either with a NICE yolk, or an HSGI Ali pad, if I can find one.

My point being, for what you'll probably pay for an out of production mystery ranch pack, I'm betting you could get something built to your exact specifications.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by Parameducated » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:01 pm

Well, my plan was to clone my trauma attending and just shove him in the main compartment. The OR goes in the STOMP II.

In all seriousness though, thats a pretty slick rig. Im still trying to find even a shred of a lead for a SAER pack, as I dont know of anyone who does that sort of work.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by VXMerlinXV » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:40 pm

I would try http://www.tacticaltailor.com/index.aspx, they do pack modifications, if you were willing to spend the money, I am sure you could order some non-standard modifications, or a base pack other than the ALICE.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by VXMerlinXV » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:24 am

Just out of curiosity, do you have a specific trip/expedition/function you want this pack for? Or are you just looking to buy the pack now for later use?
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by Parameducated » Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:08 am

Im getting into USAR, and likely some true contract wilderness work. So the idea of one profoundly gigantic ruck that holds everything (up to and including the aforementioned attending) is appealing. I dont actually plan on carrying it much, other than rucking it to wherever it will live. For everything else, theres conterra.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by VXMerlinXV » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:20 pm

Parameducated wrote:Im getting into USAR, and likely some true contract wilderness work. So the idea of one profoundly gigantic ruck that holds everything (up to and including the aforementioned attending) is appealing. I dont actually plan on carrying it much, other than rucking it to wherever it will live. For everything else, theres conterra.
I understand that completely. Honestly, for that (and if you were really hung up on having it be a Mystery Ranch product) I would almost go with something big and empty like a NICE 7500 BVS. If anything, it would discourage you from loading the thing up and trying to hit the trail for SAR or Wilderness med, and use it only for load hauling to and from base camp. EBAY even has MR pullpacks on sale (color coded or IV) that you could use for some standardized modularization.

Also, with some quick googling, there are shops all over that will do custom bags. For what you'll pay from MR, especially out of production gear, custom might be the way to go (more so if you incorporate an established carry system, like the NICE frame or something akin to that).
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by offcamber » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:11 pm

You probably already tried this, but did you try to call MR and see if they will build you one?

I've bought numerous packs from them over the years and they used to do custom work/changes etc.

They might be able to build a custom one for ya as a one off based on the previous design.

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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by Parameducated » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:15 pm

I tried :/ unfortunately they can't. I'm looking for someone who can do a really good custom pack at this point.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by offcamber » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:06 pm

How about a Blackhawk SOF Ruck mounted on a Mystery Ranch NICE frame?

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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by weatherdude » Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:57 pm

VXMerlinXV wrote:I have something large, but probably not as baller as an SAER pack. It's an ALICE that was heavily modified, reportedly by Tactical Tailor for a PJ. I don't know how true that is, but it's a solidly built pack. (If anybody has any additional info on this pack, I'd love some history) Note that the load-out shown is simply for perspective of scale. I load it specifically for whatever I'm doing, and keep it empty otherwise.
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From what I can tell, it's got the 5 pocket modification, where pocket #2 and #4 are standard small zip pockets above the normal ALICE pocket. There's also a zippered opening in the bottom to access the main compartment, and a pouch under that that will take a compressed sleeping bag, blankets, tarps, or a roll up litter.
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Pockets #1 and #5 are elongated and set to take O2 bottles. There're two retention straps, and pockets that will fit standard NRBs or Nasal canulas. I've also rigged a 3 liter camelback in one of these pockets, since there's no ready made hydration compatability
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The #3 pocket is set up with three divided compartments (I added a galls pull bag to each to show size) and three organizer flaps. The large mesh side flap holds a large trauma dressing/burn sheet, and the two smaller mesh compartments fit 4x4 or 5x9 with room to spare.
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This is the bottom compartment I mentioned earlier.

I do not know much about the SAER pack, but shy of trying to bring out an entire OR, there's nothing I could think to pack that I couldn't fit in this ALICE. Heck, a loaded STOMP II fits in the main compartment if you want to just go full blown silly. The only things left I would change would be to send it back to TT for a claymore pocket on the flap. If you look, there's a set of fastex buckles on the top, my guess would be for a smaller aid bag, which I don't have a need for, so I would prefer to use the space for further storage. I also would eventually like to upgrade the carry system, either with a NICE yolk, or an HSGI Ali pad, if I can find one.

My point being, for what you'll probably pay for an out of production mystery ranch pack, I'm betting you could get something built to your exact specifications.
Dude killer bag. That looks more like an ER/ICU in a bag than a STOMP II could....now you're making me want an ALICE pack modified to serve my bag (obviously not my car kit, but the disaster medical bag....the car kit is big enough as it is, and is filling out a 5.11 ALS backpack pretty well.)
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by VXMerlinXV » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:30 pm

weatherdude wrote: Dude killer bag. That looks more like an ER/ICU in a bag than a STOMP II could....now you're making me want an ALICE pack modified to serve my bag (obviously not my car kit, but the disaster medical bag....the car kit is big enough as it is, and is filling out a 5.11 ALS backpack pretty well.)
Thank you, I was really lucky to come across it. I would definitely recommend going this route for anyone looking for anything bigger than a STOMP II. I eventually want to put it on an upgraded frame/carry system.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by Parameducated » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:04 pm

I found my aid bag. Its custom, bright red, excessively large, and far too awesome to describe prior to its arrival. Prepare yourselves, for the most ridiculous aid bag the world has ever seen.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by VXMerlinXV » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:47 am

Parameducated wrote:I found my aid bag. Its custom, bright red, excessively large, and far too awesome to describe prior to its arrival. Prepare yourselves, for the most ridiculous aid bag the world has ever seen.
Yeah, please follow up with pics, order info, etc.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by weatherdude » Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:43 pm

VXMerlinXV wrote:
Parameducated wrote:I found my aid bag. Its custom, bright red, excessively large, and far too awesome to describe prior to its arrival. Prepare yourselves, for the most ridiculous aid bag the world has ever seen.
Yeah, please follow up with pics, order info, etc.
Or, better yet, a thread of it loaded out for us to drool over/critique prn
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by Parameducated » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:11 pm

thats the plan. tactical tailor gave me an estimated 8-10 week lead time, so its going to be a while.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by VXMerlinXV » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:15 pm

Man, I should get a commission.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by Parameducated » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:16 pm

VXMerlinXV wrote:Man, I should get a commission.
Well, I am incorporating the side pocket design with tank retention straps. But... Nah :P
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by JohnE » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:50 pm

Parameducated wrote:Im getting into USAR, and likely some true contract wilderness work. So the idea of one profoundly gigantic ruck that holds everything (up to and including the aforementioned attending) is appealing. I dont actually plan on carrying it much, other than rucking it to wherever it will live. For everything else, theres conterra.
I'm curious, how much gear/supplies do you think you'll need to bring on a SAR operation?

I have no working SAR experience but I've known and worked with numerous SAR volunteers and they would never plan to bring enough medical gear to need the sort of packs I've seen in this thread.

What sort of operations require that much gear in the field?

Honest curiousity, not trying to stir up anything, trying to gain some knowledge.

I work as a Medic in the film industry and bring quite a bit of stuff with me on remote jobs but I can't imagine needing that much medical gear and having to carry it for any sort of distance.
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Post by Parameducated » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:04 pm

I will be working in contract wilderness medicine, with this kit acting effectively as a mobile ICU, save for the monitor. I would not be using this pack for usar, other than filling with all the crap I might need on a deployment. The only time I'll be putting miles on the pack is when I deliver it to basecamp.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by VXMerlinXV » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:18 pm

JohnE wrote: I'm curious, how much gear/supplies do you think you'll need to bring on a SAR operation?

I have no working SAR experience but I've known and worked with numerous SAR volunteers and they would never plan to bring enough medical gear to need the sort of packs I've seen in this thread.

What sort of operations require that much gear in the field?
I picked up my bag as an option for carrying a more extensive array of medical supplies as well as all of my hiking or camping gear. Not so much for search and rescue, but as a more extensive medical support option on longer hikes with larger groups.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by JohnE » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:45 pm

I guess what I'm not understanding is why you'd need a medical bag to transport supplies. Seems like any old backpack would carry the supplies just as easy and at a fraction of the cost. Especially if you'll be using Conterra bags for the actual medical work.

I use Pelican cases to store and transport my gear and supplies via my vehicle and once I'm at my work location I use trauma bags to work out of.

To each their own I guess.
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Post by VXMerlinXV » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:16 pm

JohnE wrote:I guess what I'm not understanding is why you'd need a medical bag to transport supplies. Seems like any old backpack would carry the supplies just as easy and at a fraction of the cost. Especially if you'll be using Conterra bags for the actual medical work.

I use Pelican cases to store and transport my gear and supplies via my vehicle and once I'm at my work location I use trauma bags to work out of.

To each their own I guess.
This is a really solid point.
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Re: Looking for a specific aid bag.

Post by Parameducated » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:32 pm

JohnE wrote:I guess what I'm not understanding is why you'd need a medical bag to transport supplies. Seems like any old backpack would carry the supplies just as easy and at a fraction of the cost. Especially if you'll be using Conterra bags for the actual medical work.

I use Pelican cases to store and transport my gear and supplies via my vehicle and once I'm at my work location I use trauma bags to work out of.

To each their own I guess.
It's really a matter of personal preference, that's all. If I'm flying with gear, or carrying enough to warrant a pallet, etc, then I use hard cases. And the cost isn't really a factor. I'm getting reimbursed for the pack :)
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