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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Shaper » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:27 pm

Anianna wrote:I spotted this on Pinterest but haven't had a chance to look at it as I'm feeling poorly. It is from the BBC and is supposed to have to do with permaculture so I'm sharing here.

Rebecca's Wild Farm
I saw that on Netflix a few weeks ago myself. I thought it was very well done as it covered Permaculture in a broad scope.

It didn't really get into detail about the practice, but was still informative for someone not familiar with the aspects.
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by harleytrypp » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:42 pm

As Promised, pics of my hugelkulture garden being built....
Digging the trench.
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Layers of logs, mulch, and soil, with basket weave above ground.
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The Mrs. & I for scale reference
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It's a little taller now, and planted.... I'll post those as soon as I get out there with the camera again.
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Anianna » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:06 pm

What is the purpose of the log base?
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by harleytrypp » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:16 am

Anianna wrote:What is the purpose of the log base?
The logs decompose slowly, as the mulch decomposes quickly, all enriching the soil. The layers also create a wicking effect, so irigation becomes nearly un-neccessary.
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Anianna » Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:08 am

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Anianna wrote:What is the purpose of the log base?
The logs decompose slowly, as the mulch decomposes quickly, all enriching the soil. The layers also create a wicking effect, so irigation becomes nearly un-neccessary.
So once you have laid the logs, do you simply add the other layers again each year on top of them for planting? It will be years before the logs decompose, right?
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

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Anianna wrote:What is the purpose of the log base?
The logs decompose slowly, as the mulch decomposes quickly, all enriching the soil. The layers also create a wicking effect, so irigation becomes nearly un-neccessary.
So once you have laid the logs, do you simply add the other layers again each year on top of them for planting? It will be years before the logs decompose, right?
Absolutely, Hugelkulture is a long term plan. Permaculture by its nature is "permanent". :D
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Anianna » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:59 pm

Thank you. :mrgreen:
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Anianna » Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:06 am

In addition to Gaia's Garden, I am also reading The Natural Way of Farming: The Theory and Practice of Green Philosophy by Masanobu Fukuoka. So far, it's a good read and along the same lines as the ideals of permaculture.
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:04 am

Anianna wrote:In addition to Gaia's Garden, I am also reading The Natural Way of Farming: The Theory and Practice of Green Philosophy by Masanobu Fukuoka. So far, it's a good read and along the same lines as the ideals of permaculture.
The One Straw Revolution by him is a good read too.

http://www.deeplyrootedorganics.com/dow ... estraw.pdf

There's a lot of Fukuoka in Permaculture.

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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Shaper » Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:18 am

Tetra Grammaton Cleric wrote:
Anianna wrote:In addition to Gaia's Garden, I am also reading The Natural Way of Farming: The Theory and Practice of Green Philosophy by Masanobu Fukuoka. So far, it's a good read and along the same lines as the ideals of permaculture.
The One Straw Revolution by him is a good read too.

http://www.deeplyrootedorganics.com/dow ... estraw.pdf

There's a lot of Fukuoka in Permaculture.

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This is very true. Fukuoka is pretty much held as one of the founders of the practice.

His work with ducks and their respective natural connections alone was so innovative and very much ahead of its time.
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Anianna » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:02 am

Obviously, I have a lot to learn, but I'm curious if any of you have an idea for me. I have been bothered by the vast wealth of thorn vines in my woods and have desired to diminish these are remove them entirely for some time. Is there something I can grow out there that would discourage the thorn vines and would reduce or eliminate them in a naturally sustainable way?
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:40 am

Anianna wrote:Obviously, I have a lot to learn, but I'm curious if any of you have an idea for me. I have been bothered by the vast wealth of thorn vines in my woods and have desired to diminish these are remove them entirely for some time. Is there something I can grow out there that would discourage the thorn vines and would reduce or eliminate them in a naturally sustainable way?
Do your ambulatory venison eat the shoots/softer parts?
If so maybe look at handcasting/undersowing a grazing lucerne (alfalfa) or other local recipe wild deer pasture mix under the vines to encourage bambi to keep the vines down?

Edit to add: If the deer don't do it softly softly maybe just temporarily introduce a high density population of goats restrained by hardcore temporary electric fencing? It's the biological version of nuking the site from orbit...

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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Anianna » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:17 pm

The deer are not particularly fond of that section of woods. I have been considering goats for a while now. Any links to vendors selling the type of wire you would recommend? There seems to be a wide variety of possibilities and I'm not sure what would work best to keep goats in a particular section of woods.
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Shaper » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:47 pm

I was going to suggest goats as well. :)

I know of a few folks that use a dog harness/cable system (no rope or chain as goats are just smart enough to hang themselves) for brush clearing using 3 goats between trees in a triangle pattern. Rotate ad necessary.
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Anianna » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:34 pm

Danke, both of you.
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Shaper » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:42 pm

One of the better finds I have run across in a while. Enjoy!


Companion Planting Chart
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Anianna » Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:59 pm

Shaper wrote:One of the better finds I have run across in a while. Enjoy!

Companion Planting Chart...

http://www.permaculture.org.au/resource ... _Plant.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Very nice. I hope this jives well with my "Tomatoes Love Carrots" book.
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:23 pm

Anianna wrote:
Shaper wrote:One of the better finds I have run across in a while. Enjoy!

Companion Planting Chart...

http://www.permaculture.org.au/resource ... _Plant.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Very nice. I hope this jives well with my "Tomatoes Love Carrots" book.
It's an oldie but a goodie, Earth Garden magazine had the original version of it.

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Post by Anianna » Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:17 pm

I've pinned all of those, thanks!
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by RoneKiln » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:39 pm

This last winter we had a large amount of tree branches come down in my parents yard. Then our neighbors tossed a lot of theirs over their fence into my parents yard. I was about to pay someone to come in and chip them into mulch untill stumbling across Hugelkultur in this thread.

Thank you.

Today my best friend brought his little tractor over and we moved some old dirt piles from the front to back yard and spent a little extra time leveling the yard. Next week, we'll bring in a pile of manure from my buddy's horse barn. I'm hiring two teenagers from the church trying to raise money for a mission trip to Mexico to come in and clip up the branches (I already chainsawed the larger branches) and dump them into the planned beds. Most of the back yard will be turned into raised beds, at least 3 of them lower Hugelkultur beds. The front yard also looks much better now (even with it being all torn up), and my Mom is ecstatic over the improvement.

I wish I had taken a few "before" pictures. I'll try to get some pics of the semi-finished beds next weekend, assuming they actually get put in. We're going to plant a clover and thyme lawn in the front yard that we just tore up. Might get a few rabbits next year to feed clover to. :)
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