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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:01 pm

Might as well throw this back into the ZS permaculture mix for the renters and beginners...

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Sneak peek...all heirloom, all organic, (hopefully) all veggie goodness! :mrgreen:

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Post by Anianna » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:45 am

I wish I had heard about this sooner. I feel like I don't have enough time to learn about it before this gardening season has passed me by. I suppose I will have to learn and start putting it into practice next year. I just ordered a book on permaculture and am checking out the resources in this thread. Good stuff!

I'm a lousy gardener, by the way, so I hope the concepts of permaculture work better for me than some of the other gardening methods I have already failed at. :lol:
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Shaper » Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:48 pm

Anianna wrote:I wish I had heard about this sooner. I feel like I don't have enough time to learn about it before this gardening season has passed me by. I suppose I will have to learn and start putting it into practice next year. I just ordered a book on permaculture and am checking out the resources in this thread. Good stuff!

I'm a lousy gardener, by the way, so I hope the concepts of permaculture work better for me than some of the other gardening methods I have already failed at. :lol:
In my opinion, this is one of the most positive aspects of Permaculture...Go with the flow, and it makes it all so less complicated.

The earth constantly seeks equilibrium, so once you stop trying to go against the natural order and become a steward that helps the Earth in its activity instead of fighting tooth and nail to dominate it, things tend to fall into place with very little struggle. The trick is to become the Observer instead of the Taskmaster. We must learn to see the myriad of mutually beneficial interactions found within in this vast web of interconnectivity nature presents to us each day. This allows the "gardener" to not to have to be a good manipulator, micro-manager, and controller, but to only be a good observer and emulator. It doesn't get much easier than monkey see, monkey do. ;)

Interesting enough, both Molinson and Lawton talk about the connections they can see now vs even 10 years ago in their journey through Permaculture, and how they feel they have yet to even scratch the surface of what nature is trying to teach them. They speculate that in the next 20 years or so that there are going to be champions that will rise up and reveal connections that they could have never fathomed. This evolution is going to be an amazing leap forward in our understanding of personal food/fuel/textile/medicine production if enough people choose to go this route and employ these techniques in the various spaces available to them (and, tinfoil hat time, if the powers that be allow it to remain.)
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:38 pm

Hmm... the last time I ran into Bill was in Perth at a lecture in the late eighties, maybe very, very early nineties . He ended that particular presentation stating that the AIDS virus was awesome and asked for a show of hands of who was prepared to die for the earth to help minimise human overpopulation.

Fuck that noise. I didn't play cults then and I don't play cults now.

Permaculture is a very clever design methodology for gardening, farming, architecture and urban planning - mostly by means of observation as you noted. Anything else is nothing more than sounding like the dogma and trappings of a new age "religion" for "true believers", don't be those guys, dude. You're smarter than that.

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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Shaper » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:51 pm

Tetra Grammaton Cleric wrote:Hmm... the last time I ran into Bill was in Perth at a lecture in the late eighties, maybe very, very early nineties . He ended that particular presentation stating that the AIDS virus was awesome and asked for a show of hands of who was prepared to die for the earth to help minimise human overpopulation.

Fuck that noise. I didn't play cults then and I don't play cults now.

Permaculture is a very clever design methodology for gardening, farming, architecture and urban planning - mostly by means of observation as you noted. Anything else is nothing more than sounding like the dogma and trappings of a new age "religion" for "true believers", don't be those guys, dude. You're smarter than that.

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No religion or cult here, dude, lol. (Although I believe Molinson can be out there at times, specially as he's getting older)

To me, it's simple science, but its a young science it the approach and practice.

It only stands to reason that the more people (including people more intelligent and/or observant than Molinson, Lawton, using scientific method, logic, and reason) study the natural connections and imitate said connections, the more effective and expansive this approach can become.
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:05 pm

Thank God for that. :D

You did have me a bit worried that I was going to have to get an entry team and a deprogrammer to get you out of there. :lol:

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Re: All Things Permaculture.

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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Shaper » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:15 pm

Tetra Grammaton Cleric wrote:Thank God for that. :D

You did have me a bit worried that I was going to have to get an entry team and a deprogrammer to get you out of there. :lol:

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LMFAO... if it ever does come to that...please come save me. :P
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Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:17 pm

Shaper wrote:
Tetra Grammaton Cleric wrote:Thank God for that. :D

You did have me a bit worried that I was going to have to get an entry team and a deprogrammer to get you out of there. :lol:

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LMFAO... if it ever does come to that...please come save me. :P
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Shaper » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:15 am

jennyjoseph713 wrote:I know prices are favorable but it seems that a week doesn't go by at work without a coworker coming in with a nightmare story about the roof leaking, the hot water heater blowing up, some sinkhole opening up in the driveway, a tree falling on the garage, etc.
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:47 am

'bot in the wire? :?

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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Shaper » Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:48 am

Anyhoo...I ordered my seeds a while back to get a jump start on the year and we have them germinating as we speak. Here is a list (quite a few I have used with positive result) from one of the latest Mother Earth News magazines of their choice for the "Top 15 Seed Companies" And since spring is right around the corner I figured I would share the list here...

http://www.johnnyseed.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.seedsavers.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (My second fav so far I think)
http://www.rareseeds.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.burpee.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (decent heirloom section)
http://www.territorialseed.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (these guys were awesome)
http://www.seedsofchange.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ferry-morse.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.southernexposure.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.highmowingseeds.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.fedcoseeds.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.cooksgarden.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.botanicalinterests.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.reneesgarden.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.groworganic.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Check them all out before desciding, specifically if you are searching out heirloom varieties (as they all carry different strains)

Good luck, and happy growing!
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Post by Anianna » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:30 pm

Shaper wrote:Anyhoo...I ordered my seeds a while back to get a jump start on the year and we have them germinating as we speak. Here is a list (quite a few I have used with positive result) from one of the latest Mother Earth News magazines of their choice for the "Top 15 Seed Companies" And since spring is right around the corner I figured I would share the list here...

http://www.johnnyseed.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.seedsavers.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (My second fav so far I think)
http://www.rareseeds.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.burpee.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (decent heirloom section)
http://www.territorialseed.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (these guys were awesome)
http://www.seedsofchange.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ferry-morse.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.southernexposure.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.highmowingseeds.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.fedcoseeds.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.cooksgarden.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.botanicalinterests.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.reneesgarden.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.groworganic.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Check them all out before desciding, specifically if you are searching out heirloom varieties (as they all carry different strains)

Good luck, and happy growing!
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Re: All Things Permaculture.

Post by Shaper » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:35 pm

So my wife just sent me this pic of our compost pile as she was about to add a bucket of kitchen scraps...
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These little guys have sprouted up underneath the tarp since I turned the pile 5 days ago...I guess it hasent got hot enough this winter to kill all of the pumpkin seeds from the Halloween jack-o-lanterns of last year. :P

So, apparently due to this serendipitous happy-accident we are adding pumpkins to our ever growing list of things we are raising this year. :lol:

(As long as I can keep the frost off them, that is) :wink:
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Post by Anianna » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:53 pm

I came across this free permaculture ebook from a UK based shop. It is designed for use in Indonesia, but seems to have some good general information. You do have to register an address, but it does not require you to enter payment information to order the ebook, FYI.

I also found some organizations here in VA and will look into those once I get Gaia's Garden read. Thanks again for the info, y'all.

ETA: I just found out the Science Museum of Virginia in Richmond has a permaculture garden! I'm going to go see it!
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Post by Shaper » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:14 pm

Anianna wrote:I came across this free permaculture ebook from a UK based shop. It is designed for use in Indonesia, but seems to have some good general information. You do have to register an address, but it does not require you to enter payment information to order the ebook, FYI.

I also found some organizations here in VA and will look into those once I get Gaia's Garden read. Thanks again for the info, y'all.

ETA: I just found out the Science Museum of Virginia in Richmond has a permaculture garden! I'm going to go see it!
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Post by Shaper » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:08 pm

10 Tips for growing bad ass tomatoes...

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Post by Shaper » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:11 pm

"Cheap Ass" guide to DYI transplant pots..

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Post by harleytrypp » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:05 pm

My wife and I just finished planting a hugelkultur, vegetable garden. Tomatoes, Eggplant, a variety of lettuces, dill, oregano, cucumbers,... We tried to do as much companion planting as possible, Tomatoes with Marigolds for example, I'm excited to start eating out of my back yard, and saving at the grocery store.

We started with a 2 ft. deep, 2 ft. wide, 10 ft. long trench. We then lined the bottom with old logs, then mulch then dirt, repeating those layers till we raised it about 2 feet above ground, for a total of 4 feet of composting soil. To hold the above ground layers in place, we used 4 ft. raw wood uprights (branches) every 12 to 18 inches around the trench, and "basket weaved" thin branches between.
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harleytrypp wrote:My wife and I just finished planting a hugelkultur, vegetable garden. Tomatoes, Eggplant, a variety of lettuces, dill, oregano, cucumbers,... We tried to do as much companion planting as possible, Tomatoes with Marigolds for example, I'm excited to start eating out of my back yard, and saving at the grocery store.

We started with a 2 ft. deep, 2 ft. wide, 10 ft. long trench. We then lined the bottom with old logs, then mulch then dirt, repeating those layers till we raised it about 2 feet above ground, for a total of 4 feet of composting soil. To hold the above ground layers in place, we used 4 ft. raw wood uprights (branches) every 12 to 18 inches around the trench, and "basket weaved" thin branches between.
That sounds great man! I am very excited about the idea and practice of hugelkulture. Maybe you could post some pics for us when you get the chance?
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Post by harleytrypp » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:48 am

Shaper wrote:
harleytrypp wrote:My wife and I just finished planting a hugelkultur, vegetable garden. Tomatoes, Eggplant, a variety of lettuces, dill, oregano, cucumbers,... We tried to do as much companion planting as possible, Tomatoes with Marigolds for example, I'm excited to start eating out of my back yard, and saving at the grocery store.

We started with a 2 ft. deep, 2 ft. wide, 10 ft. long trench. We then lined the bottom with old logs, then mulch then dirt, repeating those layers till we raised it about 2 feet above ground, for a total of 4 feet of composting soil. To hold the above ground layers in place, we used 4 ft. raw wood uprights (branches) every 12 to 18 inches around the trench, and "basket weaved" thin branches between.
That sounds great man! I am very excited about the idea and practice of hugelkulture. Maybe you could post some pics for us when you get the chance?
Definately, will do.
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Post by Shaper » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:02 am

harleytrypp wrote:
Shaper wrote:
harleytrypp wrote:My wife and I just finished planting a hugelkultur, vegetable garden. Tomatoes, Eggplant, a variety of lettuces, dill, oregano, cucumbers,... We tried to do as much companion planting as possible, Tomatoes with Marigolds for example, I'm excited to start eating out of my back yard, and saving at the grocery store.

We started with a 2 ft. deep, 2 ft. wide, 10 ft. long trench. We then lined the bottom with old logs, then mulch then dirt, repeating those layers till we raised it about 2 feet above ground, for a total of 4 feet of composting soil. To hold the above ground layers in place, we used 4 ft. raw wood uprights (branches) every 12 to 18 inches around the trench, and "basket weaved" thin branches between.
That sounds great man! I am very excited about the idea and practice of hugelkulture. Maybe you could post some pics for us when you get the chance?
Definately, will do.
Sweet!...I would of already made a few HK beds myself, but alas, I am still a renter. I am instead building (about 80% complete now) a modular auto-watering "bucket and trough" system with 5-6 companion plant interactions in each bucket.

I'm going to start off with 2 10ft runs that will hold around 18, 5-gallon buckets. Should be damn near maintenance free in this climate. :mrgreen: Pics coming in a few weeks.
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Post by Anianna » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:20 pm

I spotted this on Pinterest but haven't had a chance to look at it as I'm feeling poorly. It is from the BBC and is supposed to have to do with permaculture so I'm sharing here.

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