Growing immunity problem with today’s youth

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Post by Agent281 » Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:45 pm

They did research on allergy rates in West and East germany and East Germany had far lower allergy rates than that of West Germany and it was far less industrialized. I can try to look for the link, but it was in a magazine.

As for me I am allergic to horses and some medicine called C-Clore. (Not sure on spelling so read it phonetically.) It is getting better and better though.

Its funny though because I learned of my allergy to horses in Galicia, a northwestern province of Spain that my dad is from, during the spring run of the horses down from the mountains. Had to have been a thousand horses, helluva time to figure out that I am allergic. :wink:
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Post by Icepick » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:57 pm

I grew up and still live on a farm. Shovel manure and drink a quart of raw milk everyday. Don't have a single thing wrong with me medically. No allergies, asthma, illnesses, and I only get sick about once in a blue moon. It's gotta be because I'm exposed to so much bacteria and other stuff on such a regular basis that my immunities are so strong. Piss-poor eyesight though. Gotta remember to ask my eye doctor next time I go in for a check-up exactly how bad it is. Probably something ridiculous like 100/20 or something. Eye surgery's looking better and better all the time.

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Post by Valarius » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:56 pm

I've got a mold allergy. It works a lot like asthma in places like Seattle: my throat closes up, it gets hard to breath, feels like my lungs are clogged.

Living in hot places (like the desert) help it, though.
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Post by TheMechanic » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:27 pm

Luckily I have No Known Allergies. My wife and step son however have more than I can count. They have allergies to animals, trees, grass, drugs, foods, asthma etc.

I never understood how humans could have evolved on this planet and yet can be allergic to the planet itself? WTF?

I think it is the newer generation of kids not playing in the woods and building up their immunities, and also being overmedicated by uncaring doctors. Too many parents bring their children to the hospital at the first sign of a stuffy nose. What you get is the doctor saying "better safe than sorry" and prescribing the kid 3 different antibiotics for nothing. Next thing you know, the kid's 12 years old, sucking on an inhaler and handing his phys-ed teacher a doctors note about why he can't participate in gym class.
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Post by Marc-OS » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:41 pm

Well, I'm 20 and the worst I have is a mild hay fever. But I also refuse to take medicine for anything; headache, upset stomach, cold, flu, etc. Although most everyone I know will swallow a couple pills at even the first hint of a headache or cold. I just think it's better for you in the long run to not have all those drugs circulating through your system all the time.
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Post by Creaux » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:30 pm

I've got shite vision (-4.50, -5.50; don't know the X/20), but other than that, am in pretty good shape. My parents couldn't keep me out of local gullies and forests...I spent a lot of time in Crieve Couer Park. Now they've built a highway over it. Fucktards. Anyway.

Something else I've noticed, a hell of a lot of people my age have anemia. I wonder if that's a similar disorder, due to lack of exercize. Then again, one of these people is an ex of mine who knew a lot of martial arts, so...

I agree that exposure to air pollution and lack of exposure to natural junk causes a lot of problems in kids. I'm going to make sure my kids go camping a lot, and I'm going to make sure that they have a nice big wildish park/forest really near the house, and I'm going to be "that parent" who buys them airsoft guns, and doesn't have cable TV, and is Satan Incarnate. I'm also not going to buy any junk food and only allow soda on "movie nights" or whatnot, so they've a taste for fresh fruit. I've many dark plans for my future brood.
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Post by Jennie_Kermode » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:33 am

It's interesting to encounter a transplant patient here. One of my partners, Donald, is four years out from a bone marrow transplant, so we've had a lot of the same disease issues to deal with; at one point he was hospitalised with shingles. In the absence of normal medical facilities, this sort of thing would be a great concern to us, especially as I am also immunosuppressed on account of the medication I need to survive. We know which medicines we need and the biochemistry behind them, but I'm not confident that we could easily manufacture them. Donald maintains that it's fairly simple to culture at least basic antibiotics and hormones.

The reason for my medication is that I have an autoimmune condition, mixed connective tissue disease. I was born with this, and my doctors have so far been unable to trace what went wrong (during gestation); the same event is probably responsible for me being intersexed; curiously, given what's already been observed in this thread, my allergies tend to get worse when my testosterone levels are higher. I'm allergic to my own skin and muscles, and it's likely that, within the next fifteen years, I'll become allergic to my lung tissue; my heart may also be at risk. With these and other complications, planning for emergencies becomes rather more difficult.

Over the past two years, with lots of medical help, I have been trying to get pregnant. My dietitian has advised me that, should it work out, I should refrain from eating peanuts - not because of my own condition, but because my brother has asthma. It seems the current theory is that certain people are genetically more susceptible to ordinary allergies than others are, and asthma is an indicator of this. It is believed that avoiding exposing children to peanut proteins in the womb, as well as for three years after birth, can substantially reduce the risk of nut allergies developing. The tricky thing is that peanut proteins are in all sorts of foods where one might not expect them, simply because they're cheap, making peanut avoidance difficult for people who eat much processed food. This may be one reason why the prevalence of such allergies is increasing.

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Post by BoltAction » Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:10 pm

Jennie_Kermode wrote:It's interesting to encounter a transplant patient here. One of my partners, Donald, is four years out from a bone marrow transplant, so we've had a lot of the same disease issues to deal with; at one point he was hospitalised with shingles. In the absence of normal medical facilities, this sort of thing would be a great concern to us, especially as I am also immunosuppressed on account of the medication I need to survive. We know which medicines we need and the biochemistry behind them, but I'm not confident that we could easily manufacture them. Donald maintains that it's fairly simple to culture at least basic antibiotics and hormones.

The reason for my medication is that I have an autoimmune condition, mixed connective tissue disease. I was born with this, and my doctors have so far been unable to trace what went wrong (during gestation); the same event is probably responsible for me being intersexed; curiously, given what's already been observed in this thread, my allergies tend to get worse when my testosterone levels are higher. I'm allergic to my own skin and muscles, and it's likely that, within the next fifteen years, I'll become allergic to my lung tissue; my heart may also be at risk. With these and other complications, planning for emergencies becomes rather more difficult.

Over the past two years, with lots of medical help, I have been trying to get pregnant. My dietitian has advised me that, should it work out, I should refrain from eating peanuts - not because of my own condition, but because my brother has asthma. It seems the current theory is that certain people are genetically more susceptible to ordinary allergies than others are, and asthma is an indicator of this. It is believed that avoiding exposing children to peanut proteins in the womb, as well as for three years after birth, can substantially reduce the risk of nut allergies developing. The tricky thing is that peanut proteins are in all sorts of foods where one might not expect them, simply because they're cheap, making peanut avoidance difficult for people who eat much processed food. This may be one reason why the prevalence of such allergies is increasing.

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Post by Creaux » Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:29 pm

Welcome! Sorry to hear about the medical conditions, but it does seem that you're getting by regardless, which is what's important.
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Post by Wraa » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:09 pm

Yeah, asthma is annoying. I tend to think mine used to be worse, though gladly, I have never had the attack style of asthma.

Just a few years ago I developed an allergy to cats.
Just cats.
I think it is getting worse no less.
Before, I could be around them no problems, then I started to sneeze and my eyes would itch.
Now I start getting itchy.
Blah.

Yeah, I played in the woods as a kid. Never did get poison Ivy, though I'm not real sure I want to go grabbing a handful to test the theory that it doesn't affect me.

I have also never had chicken pox and I'm 27.
Now, my mom had the chicken pox about two years before she had me, and I have been exposed time and time again to it and never got it.
I sat next to a kid or two that were in the contagious phase and never got so much as an itch. We figure perhaps her immunities transfered over to me. I fear the day I do get them now though.

Past that, life is good and I manage day to day just fine.
Also seems to me that more and more people (kids and adults) get car sick now, but maybe that is me.

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Post by bgaesop » Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:19 am

Wraa wrote:I have also never had chicken pox and I'm 27.
Now, my mom had the chicken pox about two years before she had me, and I have been exposed time and time again to it and never got it.
I sat next to a kid or two that were in the contagious phase and never got so much as an itch. We figure perhaps her immunities transfered over to me. I fear the day I do get them now though.
That's definitely not a good thing. My grandpa had shingles from getting it late in life, it sucked for him majorly and he had it for years.

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Post by Jennie_Kermode » Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:02 am

Car sickness usually goes away with familiarisation. Otherwise, the best treatment - an instant cure, in most cases - is biting down on a piece of root ginger.

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Post by Blinky » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:57 pm

Let's see.

When I was ten years old, I had this stomach disease. The entire first night I had it, I couldn't go to sleep due to dehydration. I'd drink water, and two minutes later I threw it up again. Same for stomach medicine. Same for anything you can think of.

Three days later, I started to eat.

Three days after that, my mother gave me an antibiotic.

Nowadays, the only way I have vomited since is from car nausea. I've never gotten a stomach disease since age ten. In fact, the worst I get these days is the flu.

It seems to me that medication has its place, but only when the situation gets out of control. I mean, people seem to forget that your immune system is there for a reason, it isn't science fiction. Medicine is assistance, not replacement.

It has its uses for servicing your immune system, though. Put it this way: Would you rather be vaccinated for chickenpox at a young age to have complete immunity, or would you go without it for years, waiting until you actually caught it to gain immunity? Chickenpox is nasty stuff.

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some times they help.

Post by theclockwork » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:48 pm

When I was a kid they I was always sick, finally they did the scratch test on me and I was a freak of nautre 1479 out of 1500 tested as alliegic. They put me on this awlful diet, it was a total of 15 things I could eat... it sucked, and I never kepted it, so I was still sick. As I aged they they got better as they do for pretty much anyone. See every 7 years your bodies chemisty changes, not all at once, but over time they do get better. For me this really worked out, as I was always sick, i have imunitys for all types of stuff, I almost never get as sick as my co workers and I never need a flu shot. And this is saying some thing since my cleints are always got what ever crud is going around since they are homeless.
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Post by Herzeleid » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:28 pm

Gah, Ill have to agree with ya. I get nasty reactions from poison Ivy (Im really, really, really allergic). Speaking of which, I just had a bad case of it, to the extent of immobility in my left arm. When I tried to flex the arm the skin would crack and weep, and fuck, just yesterday I had a reaction to something in which I was having some problems breathing and I had a terrible sore throat. Man, I havent had any problems ,health wise, in a while so this is a change towards teh suxxors.
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Post by El Maximo » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:32 am

I agree with the masses on this one. Immunity is best left to its own devices and exposed to all the fun stuff that old school life presents.

I've never gotten flu shots, and never plan to. To date, Ive only taken antibiotics 5-6 times, and am proud of it! I don't believe in using medicine unless necessary. You would be surpised how resiliant the human body is! :wink:

I have bad eyesight which is blatantly genetic (my mom first noticed because I was doing the exact same things her brothers did when they were kids). I dont know the 20/20 figures, but it's reverse astigmatism, and bad enough your face would be an indistinct blob twenty five feet away. An interesting result of this is that I can almost never recognize a person by their face, but look at their hair, clothes, bodytype, bodylanguage, and voice. About the only benifit Ive noticed is being able to reconize a friend at night from a significant distance. :lol:

I was an average kid healthwise, but from about age 13 on, my overall health started degrading. My limited alergies, ragweed in the fall and spring, started getting worse; more food disagreed with me; I had no energy. This decline continued for three years, getting expspontially worse. By the time I was sixteen, I was in bad shape. I was getting bronchitis twice a month like clockwork, got pneumonia twice in six months, and had sleep apnia. When I slept, I would stop breathing, and my brain was so deprived of oxygen that it was killing brain cells.

My mom, a nurse of more than 25 years, told me I needed my tonsils out. The doctors said otherwise. Haha, they didnt know my mom. She forced the doctor to take them out, and when he did, what a surprise! Each was larger than a golfball and filled with so much infected tissue the doctor was shocked into apologizing sincerely.

Since then, Ive gotten sick only once, and even then I got over it before it had even started. I cannot ever remember feeling better! It's amazing how much different life is without medicine. Had I not gotten my tonsils out, I would have ended up legally retarded within six months, and dead in two years. Kinda puts things into perspective.

Thats my interesting medical story :D The only other one that I can remember is one time when I was about five and I caught a really bad case of Viral Meningitis. I was badly sick for a week, blind for a couple days and almost in a coma. Fun times. 8)
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Post by mr.trooper » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:47 pm

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Post by TheMechanic » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:13 pm

Well, speaking of poor vision, my mother is legally blind and my dad had better than 20/20, guess who's vision I got. That's right, my moms.

I couldn't see anything past 4 inches in front of my face. I had the great fortune to get Lasik eye surgery about 3 years ago and I was 20/20 the day after the operation! For the first time in my life I could see without any glasses or contacts. What a change it's been in my life. My son can poke me in the eyes all he wants now, no more glasses falling off or fumbling with contacts when there's an emergency in the middle of the night and come the P.A.W. I'll be all set.

My wife also has bad vision, so we were very concerned that our son had a double whammy as far as his vision went. His doctors kept telling us that he'd need galsses by the time he was 4. I prayed to God every day that he wouldn't have to go through the humiliation I went through as a child with glasses.

Well, today he went to the eye doctors and he doesn't need glasses!!! They thought he had an astigmastism but now they said it looks as though it's actually improving. The doctor said he doesn't even need another check-up for 2 years!

I was so happy at this news I almost cried. At least next year he can enter kindergarten without glasses and hopefully won't need them for a long, long time.
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Post by LD! » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:17 pm

ZOMBAT wrote: I prayed to God every day that he wouldn't have to go through the humiliation I went through as a child with glasses.
I've never had anything at all involed making fun of my about glasses

I used to get made of a lot for being just diffrent all stoped after a few broken noses in grade school and middle school.

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