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Russia Giving Away Land In Far East

Post by Halfapint » Tue May 10, 2016 3:39 pm

http://newobserveronline.com/russia-off ... oreigners/

So a short version: Russia has been trying to up the population in the far east for about 6 years, however it's not going well. The "ethnic russian" (read as whites) has been in decline and Chinese population has been on the rise. They first offered this to Russians and Ukranians, but the latest bill has been approved to allow for throughly vetted outsiders. If you get vetted you will be given 1 Hectare (2.5 acres) of land, that will be leased to you for 4 years. After the 4 years you can apply to be a naturalized citizen and get to keep the land. They hope people will go over and start business, agricultural, hunting, even mining (parts are rich in gold and diamonds).

Not going to lie I've kinda thought about this, but I really don't trust the Russian government to not take what I've made in the 4 years. Their gun laws are rather strict and I would want my Pew Pews. I would also what more than a single hectare, while 2.5 acres is a decent chunk. If I were going to move over there and try to help their economy and help repopulate the land, I would want a little more something like 10+ acres.

What do you guys think, with land getting more and more expensive here in the states. Would you be like many of our ancestor and pack up your belongings and move to the far east to make something for yourself?

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Re: Russia Giving Away Land In Far East

Post by Maeklos » Tue May 10, 2016 4:38 pm

Halfapint wrote:I would also what more than a single hectacre, while 2.5 acres is a decent chunk. If I were going to move over there and try to help their economy and help repopulate the land, I would want a little more something like 10+ acres.
This.

If you're someone who's interested in homesteading, check out the Alaskan laws on it. If I recall correctly, you can basically stake a claim Pioneer-style to a section of land, and as long as you work to improve it (for agriculture, cattle, whatever), it's yours. Have to do a bit of work with the Alaskan government about it, since while Alaska allows homesteading on state land, BLM forbids homesteading on federal land. But a few calls can help with that and probably give you some insight into good places to settle.

And definitely better to live in Alaska than Russia, I'd say.
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Re: Russia Giving Away Land In Far East

Post by raptor » Tue May 10, 2016 4:40 pm

In the rural parts of southern states like MS, LA and AL and acre of land can go for about $2,000 and acre and a 5 acre plot for as little as $5,000 in total.

Simple question do you want to change your citizenship for $5,000 that you earn in 4 years?

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Post by absinthe beginner » Tue May 10, 2016 7:46 pm

It's an intriguing proposition, especially with global warming potentially making the Russian Far East a lot more liveable.

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Re: Russia Giving Away Land In Far East

Post by Stercutus » Tue May 10, 2016 7:56 pm

2.5 acres of land (maybe) after working for four years isn't intriguing enough to make me want to move thousands of miles from my friends and family and become a prole of an authoritarian state. Travel costs alone would make it economically foolhardy. Sounds more like a prison sentence than anything.
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Post by BullOnParade » Tue May 10, 2016 8:16 pm

Discussed this with some friends a while back: pretty sure Canada still has a lot of our old settlement legislation in effect. You would probably be given a plot way the fuck up north, but most immigrants are interested in living within 20 hours drive of the US border like the rest of us.
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Re: Russia Giving Away Land In Far East

Post by LowKey » Wed May 11, 2016 9:13 am

Maeklos wrote:
Halfapint wrote:I would also what more than a single hectacre, while 2.5 acres is a decent chunk. If I were going to move over there and try to help their economy and help repopulate the land, I would want a little more something like 10+ acres.
This.

If you're someone who's interested in homesteading, check out the Alaskan laws on it. If I recall correctly, you can basically stake a claim Pioneer-style to a section of land, and as long as you work to improve it (for agriculture, cattle, whatever), it's yours. Have to do a bit of work with the Alaskan government about it, since while Alaska allows homesteading on state land, BLM forbids homesteading on federal land. But a few calls can help with that and probably give you some insight into good places to settle.

And definitely better to live in Alaska than Russia, I'd say.
There hasn't been any legal homesteading (gaining lawful ownership of the land by "staking a claim") in Alaska since the 1980's. You have to buy the land, either from private parties or from the state if/when a parcel becomes available. Those that are on a road (dirt or paved) have a premium value.

2.5 acres after 4 years of working to improve the raw land is all Russia i offering? No wonder very few of their own people are taking the "deal".
No way anyone in their right mind should even think about it until the acreage is in the 50-100 acre range. It's going to be very expensive and very exhausting to develop that land. I'm developing raw land that's off grid (and no road) only 2 miles away from a ferry terminal in Alaska, and that's enough of a PITA. The offer the Russians are making isn't a good one.
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Post by Maeklos » Wed May 11, 2016 11:14 am

LowKey wrote: There hasn't been any legal homesteading (gaining lawful ownership of the land by "staking a claim") in Alaska since the 1980's. You have to buy the land, either from private parties or from the state if/when a parcel becomes available. Those that are on a road (dirt or paved) have a premium value.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/10/19/ ... d-is-free/

Like I said, a few phone calls can help get details. Small communities are often looking to bring in new people, money, and industry. It's all about finding where.
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Post by teotwaki » Wed May 11, 2016 4:32 pm

Sounds like a romantic move but others have spoken to some of the realities. My parents did something like this, moved to an isolated community, made it hard for family to visit, hard to get groceries or health care. I looked at the temperatures in the area of Russia in the article and the cold swings can be extreme.

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Post by Asymetryczna » Wed May 11, 2016 5:25 pm

TANSTAAFL.

Read over our Bill of Rights before you consider a national move. Just glance at the first five or 6 Amendments, and notice too that Ernesto Miranda never visited there. Even criminals have it pretty good here. I read somewhere recently that in the state of Virginia, it cost $28k a year to house a felon. The state Governor wants to allow the former felons to vote, so 200,000 votes could eventually help increase their former standard of living. A great job in that part of the world might net you $20K, so you couldn't afford to go to prison in Virginia.
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Re: Russia Giving Away Land In Far East

Post by LowKey » Thu May 12, 2016 2:23 pm

Maeklos wrote:
LowKey wrote: There hasn't been any legal homesteading (gaining lawful ownership of the land by "staking a claim") in Alaska since the 1980's. You have to buy the land, either from private parties or from the state if/when a parcel becomes available. Those that are on a road (dirt or paved) have a premium value.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/10/19/ ... d-is-free/

Like I said, a few phone calls can help get details. Small communities are often looking to bring in new people, money, and industry. It's all about finding where.
From the BLM http://www.blm.gov/ak/st/en/prog/cultur ... d_A.html#8
Is “homesteading” allowed anywhere in Alaska today?

No. Homesteading ended on all federal lands on October 21, 1986. The State of Alaska currently has no homesteading program for its lands. In 2012, the State made some state lands available for private ownership through two types of programs: sealed-bid auctions and remote recreation cabin sites. The Alaska Department of Natural Resources has information on its website about these programs.
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Post by Maeklos » Thu May 12, 2016 4:28 pm

LowKey wrote: From the BLM http://www.blm.gov/ak/st/en/prog/cultur ... d_A.html#8
Is “homesteading” allowed anywhere in Alaska today?

No. Homesteading ended on all federal lands on October 21, 1986. The State of Alaska currently has no homesteading program for its lands. In 2012, the State made some state lands available for private ownership through two types of programs: sealed-bid auctions and remote recreation cabin sites. The Alaska Department of Natural Resources has information on its website about these programs.
I'll just leave this right here...

http://wildernesslivinginthegreatnorth. ... today.html

Has information on land-staking programs for Alaska natives.

And here's another site for online land-parcel purchases for non-state residents, as well as auctions and staking programs for in-state residents:

http://dnr.alaska.gov/mlw/landsale/regi ... fm?all_otc
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Re: Russia Giving Away Land In Far East

Post by LowKey » Thu May 12, 2016 11:28 pm

Maeklos wrote:
LowKey wrote: From the BLM http://www.blm.gov/ak/st/en/prog/cultur ... d_A.html#8
Is “homesteading” allowed anywhere in Alaska today?

No. Homesteading ended on all federal lands on October 21, 1986. The State of Alaska currently has no homesteading program for its lands. In 2012, the State made some state lands available for private ownership through two types of programs: sealed-bid auctions and remote recreation cabin sites. The Alaska Department of Natural Resources has information on its website about these programs.
I'll just leave this right here...

http://wildernesslivinginthegreatnorth. ... today.html

Has information on land-staking programs for Alaska natives.

And here's another site for online land-parcel purchases for non-state residents, as well as auctions and staking programs for in-state residents:

http://dnr.alaska.gov/mlw/landsale/regi ... fm?all_otc

<sigh>
The first link is for Alaskan natives. Natives, as in Native American.

The second link is for the PURCHASE of land from the state. The sealed bid auction is only possible if you are already a legal resident of Alaska. If you are not a legal resident of Alaska you will only be able to buy through the Over The Counter land sales program, which are parcels that did not sell during the auction. How am I sure of this? First hand knowledge. Because I did this. In fact I'll be up there in three weeks building a couple of small cabins. And while it will be my homestead when I move there full time, it isn't "Homesteading" because I had to by the land.
You can also PURCHASE land from the University of Alaska on the occasions that they sell some off, usually with a fair number of covenants regulating what you can do on the property.

There's also a "staking program" for recreational (only) cabins in remote areas which is only available to Alaskan residents . Of course it's still not Homesteading, as the land isn't acquired by "proving it" (living on and improving the land) . Once again, you have to PURCHASE it. From their site, This program allows Alaska residents to stake a parcel of state land in a designated remote staking area, lease the land until DNR completes the survey and appraisal, and then purchase the land at fair market value.

Homesteading as a method of obtaining land, such as Russia is offering and which this thread is about, is gone in Alaska.
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Post by Maeklos » Fri May 13, 2016 12:24 am

Not much land (says average lot size is 80'x120'), but the lot is free if you build on it. Also, not far from Des Moines in Iowa:

http://marneiowa.com/marne-free-lots

Curtis, Nebraska, same deal:

http://www.curtis-ne.com/freelots.php

Also, one of the articles I remember reading about the free land in Alaska:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/03/16 ... -land.html

So, yeah, been a while. But that doesn't mean it won't happen again.

Here's also an article from last year about applications for 60-year leases on national park land for use in sustainable agriculture:

http://theplate.nationalgeographic.com/ ... onal-park/

Main gist being that if you're interested in homesteading, keep your eye open because opportunities do come up fairly often.
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Post by Stercutus » Fri May 13, 2016 1:36 am

Short of an event that wipes out a huge portion of the population I don't see homesteading acts ever coming back to the US. If there is arable for any purpose it is purchased or leased and used that way. Corporations are now the large landowners and small farmers, long a dying breed are practically gone as a percentage stakeholder. This trend is irreversible given the current economics of the times.
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Post by absinthe beginner » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:08 am

Russia has started its giveaway of free land in its far east. Will be interesting to see how this is implemented and what kind of legal framework protects the rights of westerners who resettle in the area.

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Post by flybynight » Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:03 pm

I don't think I should go sailing over to the Russian far east with nothing between me and the Russian Government but a hectare of land :crazy:
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Post by Halfapint » Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:28 pm

The area has 50,000 hectares of agricultural land and 500,000 hectares of forest. The governor of Yakutia, another region included in the program, announced that in addition to the hectare of land offered by the state, his region will provide another 2.5 hectares to anyone interested.
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Post by flybynight » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:45 pm

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Post by ineffableone » Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:31 pm

I am currently buying 40 acres in Eastern WA, for under $1000 an acre. There are still some good land deals in the US.

Going through the land search here, and spending weekends walking my new 40 acre property I would have to say 2.5 acres is not much if your seriously trying to build a self sufficient homestead. 40 acres might sound like a lot, but really that is about as small as you want to go for a self sufficient homestead where your trying to harvest timber to build with and for fire wood, where you plan to grave live stock and not import feed, where you plan to plant nut and fruit trees, and have your annuals garden. All that space gets eaten up quick and you start looking over your fence wondering if you can buy the neighbors place. I haven't even closed yet on my property and have already scoped out which neighboring properties I might want to buy if given the chance, not that I actually have the money for them now but maybe in the future. 2.5 acres you can have a garden and some livestock, but you will be dependent on bringing in materials to keep going. You also likely wouldn't be able to keep enough timber on the property to sustainable harvest wood for fire wood.

As mentioned if they really want to encourage people to move out there, they need to offer a better deal. Minimum I would say is 40 acres, but smarter would be more like 160 acres. 160 acres enables you to split your land 4 times into 40 acres each so you can pass land to your children.

*edit to add, BTW seems the story was not accurate. The offer is only open to Russians. Either current citizens, or ex pats who want to return home. If you never were a Russian citizen, the offer isn't open to you.
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Re: Russia Giving Away Land In Far East

Post by modustollens » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:36 pm

Given the corruption present, you could spend a lot of labour and capital making things productive only to have it expropriated by the local strongmen based upon some simple-minded interpretation of some archaic law, if they even try that hard to make it look legal.

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