Chainsaws and ethanol

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Re: Chainsaws and ethanol

Post by Toxoph » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:02 am

Just picked up my weedeater from the shop, E10 destroyed the carb diaphram and turned the tank gasket and hoses to mush, you could pull them like putty!

Bought a Huskavarna chainsaw. They had a deal when I bought, you could either get the standard 1 year warranty or if you buy 4 cans of their premix gas, they extend it to 4 years! They obviously know the issues with E10.

E10 wrecks havok on our bouts down here mostly since it absorbs water and damages the fuel system.

Luckily, there are a couple stations here that sell ethonol free gas, all but my truck and car use that.
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Re: Chainsaws and ethanol

Post by 88sport » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:35 am

Let me first say that I am the power equipment specialist at the local Lowe's and have been dealing with stuff like this all of my life, hence why I was recommended for the job.
Anianna wrote:I bought a riding lawnmower three or four years ago - a Husqvarna with a Briggs & Stratton motor. It worked beautifully the first season I had it. In the fall, I cleaned it and put it away. The next spring, it wouldn't start. I ran through the list of maintenance and troubleshooting tasks and even put some of that gas cleaner stuff in it, but it still wouldn't run. I hauled it out to the place I bought it and they said they had to replace the carburetor because it had gotten all gummed up. I thought they were full of shit, so I hauled it to another place and they told me the same thing, adding that it was the ethanol in the gas that gummed up the carburetor. So I had the part replaced and the thing would pop and backfire constantly. The next spring, it wouldn't start again. I'm not spending $350 in replacement parts every year to mow the lawn.

My question is, why is this an issue for just this one lawnmower and my father's new lawnmower and my neighbors old lawnmower, etcetera, etcetera, don't have this problem? I paid the extra for the Husqvarna because it's supposed to be such a great product. I even bought the kind you have to buy at a tractor dealer because the home improvement stores don't carry anything that is rated to cut more than two acres. What I got for doing everything right and spending the extra money was a very expensive chicken roost and it's all because of, the guys at the various shops tell me, ethanol in the gasoline.
It's not Husqvarna's manufacturing. What they do and why they don't warranty the drivetrain is because they DO NOT MAKE THEM. These engines and transmissions are all drop-ins that they obtain from various manufacturers. When you see the *Limited Warranty on the literature that is what it is referring to. I personally had to read the warranty information from Husqvarna to find that out. I don't recommend to people they buy the new line of Intek B&S motors because they are absolutely terrible. Had one customer come in to tell me that he bought a Husqvarna 24v48 the year before with the Briggs in it and it ended up running so damn hot it actually melted the engine block. MELTED THE ENGINE BLOCK!!! Briggs has not been on top of their game lately and I have completely discouraged people from buying a Briggs motor if they can. I've even told some people that they would be better off going somewhere else so they can stay in their budget and avoid the Briggs. That being said, if you can get the 26hp Kohler in the 26v54 and afford it, I would totally recommend it. Great motors, used in the commercial industry right alongside the Kawasaki engines, hard to go wrong. Thes rest of the mower is great, you get a 10 year warranty on the decks from the manufacturer, which is unheard of, the design of the mechanicals makes more sense, their front axles are cast instead of stamped metal, all the grease nipples are easy to find and use, etc.
Toxoph wrote:Just picked up my weedeater from the shop, E10 destroyed the carb diaphram and turned the tank gasket and hoses to mush, you could pull them like putty!

Bought a Huskavarna chainsaw. They had a deal when I bought, you could either get the standard 1 year warranty or if you buy 4 cans of their premix gas, they extend it to 4 years! They obviously know the issues with E10.

E10 wrecks havok on our bouts down here mostly since it absorbs water and damages the fuel system.

Luckily, there are a couple stations here that sell ethonol free gas, all but my truck and car use that.
I have had sooooooooooooo many customers come to me and say that they are having to buy a new (insert power equipment) because the old one they have won't start and they're tired of screwing around with the carbs or they took them somewhere and want like twice the price of a completely new unit to repair the carbs and subsequent engine damage.

Be aware though, Husqvarna wants you to use only Husqvarna oil. If you have a problem with the engine and take it to one of their licensed repair shops, the first thing they do is test the oil in the machine. There is a dye that is mixed with the engine oil they are tested for and if it's not in there, they will claim that YOU did not use the recommended oil and THEY are not responsible for it under warranty.
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Re: Chainsaws and ethanol

Post by williaty » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:40 am

88sport wrote:Be aware though, Husqvarna wants you to use only Husqvarna oil. If you have a problem with the engine and take it to one of their licensed repair shops, the first thing they do is test the oil in the machine. There is a dye that is mixed with the engine oil they are tested for and if it's not in there, they will claim that YOU did not use the recommended oil and THEY are not responsible for it under warranty.
This will last precisely until the first person sues them. What they're doing is illegal. They're allowed to set technical requirements for the oil in order to maintain warranty coverage, they're not legally allowed to say that it has to be their brand of oil. I see this get pulled every few years in various fields. Inevitably, someone will sue, the company will settle rapidly, and suddenly using Product X is no longer required.

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Re: Chainsaws and ethanol

Post by jdavidboyd » Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:42 am

We've always used regular gas from the cheapest pumps (E10?) in our lawnmower, and it works fine, for years now. But I've always doped the gas can with Pri-G or Stabil. Perhaps that makes a difference.

I just got a new Poulan chain saw, and the manual says not to use gas with any ethanol in it. Haven't ran it yet, as I'm not certain what to do. (I should go read my lawnmower manual and see what it says).

My brother has several Stihl and Husquevarna saws, runs regular gas, and they have all worked fine for years.

I guess you pay your money and take your chances....
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