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Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:32 am
by jehicks87
I know a recipe that a friend of mine stumbled on to make home-made body armor plate inserts. Mods, is this legal to discuss here? And has anyone else done something like this before?

Supposedly, this recipe can stop two hits from a .308, and indefinite fire from 9mm hard ball. I plan on making a few batches sometime in the near future, I just wanted to gauge interest on the boards for something like this. If there is enough interest, and if we are allowed to discuss things like this, I'd be happy to do a write-up.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:52 am
by Grimstad
Hmm. I see about 30 people waiting with bated breath.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:28 am
by Paladin1
As long as it does not involve illegal activity, and body armor is not illegal, post away.

I would post a huge disclaimer about not trying it out by shooting your buddy with a .308 :lol:

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:49 am
by Ad'lan
jehicks87 wrote:I know a recipe that a friend of mine stumbled on to make home-made body armor plate inserts. Mods, is this legal to discuss here? And has anyone else done something like this before?

Supposedly, this recipe can stop two hits from a .308, and indefinite fire from 9mm hard ball. I plan on making a few batches sometime in the near future, I just wanted to gauge interest on the boards for something like this. If there is enough interest, and if we are allowed to discuss things like this, I'd be happy to do a write-up.
Unless it involves breaking the law, manufacture away, go all Ned Kelly.

Tin Head Ned is one of the ones who did it before:
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Of course, he was breaking the law, but not by making armour.

For the Cost and reliability issues though, I would think buying armour, rather than bodging it your self, is the way to go. For fun and entertainment and possible SHTF skills, this will hopefully be an entertaining thread though. I look forward to seeing any efforts you make in DIY body protection.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:50 am
by JohnnyMayhem
Well now I'm curious on how it works.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:08 pm
by Terminus est
Steel plate with a rubber backing wrapped up in a thick tight weave of nylon ?
Works but not very pretty :lol:

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:53 pm
by ausher
My last job i worked in fiberglass composites. Some of the stuff we made i know could stop a .308 easily and still remain relatively light. The resin, filler and woven fiberglass material layered to about a 1/4" was strong enough you could hit it as hard as you can with a ball peen hammer and not even scratch it.

If you ever seen a New York subway car, the cab and cab end i made it. It may not stop a .308 but the materials used can make it bullet proof.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:09 pm
by Lex1785
I'd definitely be interested if nothing else to build some and test them at work.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:10 pm
by lokifz1
I remember something years ago about someone doing home expediant armor with steel belted tires.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:38 pm
by Big B
Home made armor just seems like..... a bad idea....

If you're just doing it for the fun of it then more power to you. Just as long as you don't test it by you, or anyone else, wearing it while being shot at :wink: . It'll be interesting to see what you come up with.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:50 pm
by URBAN ASSAULT
Big B wrote:Home made armor just seems like..... a bad idea....
Not everyone gets a care package from Mandalore either.

:wink:

-urban

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:29 pm
by Jeriah
I'd like to see!

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:11 am
by Crimson Phoenix
If you're testing, watermelons are your friend. My next concern would be spalling/bullet fragments after they strike the plate. For a possible T&E setup, I figure you could place the watermelon behind the armor and place a series of balloons or something somewhat in front of it a foot or two out, but not in the direct line of sight of the shot to see if any bullet fragments fly out and make a hazard. That being said, I'd trust professionally manufactured armor with my life first.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:34 am
by AKFTW
I've always had a thing for homemade armor as a science/curiosity thing- would be very interested to see it!

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:58 am
by Skull_Hide
Interesting.... continue.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:59 am
by CitizenZ
Armor? What, now Zombie's can shoot back? Whoa! I'm just learning this now? This changes things...

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:48 am
by KnightoftheRoc
Having made and worn armor to fight in, anything lighter would be better than steel. And, if you can get it thinner than the 'Nam era frag vest I wore, that would be cool, too. I'm just skeptical about a "home brew" method for armor someone is presumably going to be shooting at. Skeptical, but more than willing to be convinced!

youtube your tests (you can embed them on forum posts), and lets see some tests and DIY videos. Just, you know, don't put any real people in the armor for the tests until well after it's been proven, and then, only to show wear-ability- don't go shooting your buddy as a demo (I don't care HOW hot his wife is) :lol: I'd also like to see a camp axe/hatchet chopped against this stuff, since you mentioned a ball peen hammer. An edged impact is another sort of thing from a soft projectile at high speed focused on a small point.

It sounds like a rigid form of armor, like the old plate armor of yore. The problem with plate is coverage vs mobility. In order to retain coverage, I couldn't even fold my arms in front of me while wearing my 12ga. steel breastplate. The problem with dressing yourself up to be armored like a Sherman tank, is that you become as graceful as one.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:11 am
by survivaljoe
Looking forward to the write up!

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:38 am
by BigEd
I am also interested. Learning valuable knowledge from this forum.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:24 pm
by jehicks87
Cool, nice to know there is so much interest on the forums. I'll post a write-up when I do this.

The rundown is basically:

Tightly woven Cotton Sheets (I would like to say I assume kevlar or the like would be more effective, but I don't have the money to try it out), with fiberglass resin on top of a standard 1/2" thick teflon cutting board. 10+ layers of resin-impregnated bedsheet material, alternating weave, wrapped around the edges of the cutting board. The sheets slow and deform the bullet enough to allow the board to deform and absorb the energy. From my buddy's experiments, it can take two shots of .308 in the same area, third shot will pass through. Stops 9mm indefinitely. Not sure about 7.62x54r, .223, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, or 7.62x25. Those are the rounds I'm interested in trying.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:57 pm
by HMPlatinum
Very interesting.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:33 pm
by KnightoftheRoc
jehicks87 wrote:Cool, nice to know there is so much interest on the forums. I'll post a write-up when I do this.

The rundown is basically:

Tightly woven Cotton Sheets (I would like to say I assume kevlar or the like would be more effective, but I don't have the money to try it out), with fiberglass resin on top of a standard 1/2" thick teflon cutting board. 10+ layers of resin-impregnated bedsheet material, alternating weave, wrapped around the edges of the cutting board. The sheets slow and deform the bullet enough to allow the board to deform and absorb the energy. From my buddy's experiments, it can take two shots of .308 in the same area, third shot will pass through. Stops 9mm indefinitely. Not sure about 7.62x54r, .223, 7.62x39, 5.45x39, or 7.62x25. Those are the rounds I'm interested in trying.
This sounds a bit bulky, but not any worse than the frag vest, and that wasn't bullet proof. Well, not by intent, anyway. Another ZS'er did a test on the frag vest, and found it stopped .22LR, and 9mm, and I think a few other calibers, but they were all pistol calibers. I'd love to see this tested against a series of rifle rounds, like 5.56/.223, 7.62 in all it's varieties, and some hunting rifle calibers, as I see those being the most likely I'd be faced with. MY intent is to avoid needing anything like this. THEIR intent, I can't be sure of.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:15 am
by survivaljoe
While I wouldn't try wearing this, I would definitely try it on a BOV. Awaiting more details.

Re: Home made armor plates

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:47 am
by Foxy
Interesting post jehicks87. To be honest I'm a big DIY sort of person, of course when it comes to safety equipment I'm not as keen on the idea. However I just bought a TAG plate carrier, mostly so had something to strap my mag pounces to when I go to shoot (while i save up for some proper web gear).

Being strapped for cash and wanting to have plates that I can train with without having to fret about damage to my "gov issued serious business ceramic" this idea is very appealing!

I'm very dubious to the clams that cotton material would be able to stop a .308 even if laminated with resin and backed by a 1/2 cutting board. For my money I'd consider spending a little more and using fiberglass and resin witch is readily available and know to be used in ballistic armor panels.
http://www.armorco.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=237

In any case please post your results! If i get around to any testing myself I'll be sure to post it here :mrgreen: