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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by bonanacrom » Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:57 am

Well at the very least if you have any kind of guard duty at night at your bol it could help if someone tries to knock you in the head so they can get in quietly and get there hands on your coveted supply or reesescups.And has no one considered the brain eating zombies ? human teeth can't bite through a helmet.Plus all those years the steal helmet was in use it served a lot of purposes the didn't include wearing it on the head.You can cook in it,wash in it,shave and I remember a couple of stories I heard where the steal pot was used as a last ditch weapon.
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Wolfhvnter » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:23 am

I can tell you this.

Wearing a K-pot on a hot day, with the rest of your gear on, makes everything seem twice as heavy.


Don't know why that is. Don't care.


It wouldn't hurt to have one around if you were expecting a fight, though.
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Czechnology » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:27 am

Wolfhvnter wrote:I can tell you this.

Wearing a K-pot on a hot day, with the rest of your gear on, makes everything seem twice as heavy.


Don't know why that is. Don't care.


It wouldn't hurt to have one around if you were expecting a fight, though.


They get hotter than shit depending on what they're painted with too. I've burned my ears.
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by That German Guy » Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:04 am

Kentucky J wrote:If anyone here has any first hand experience contrary to my observations, I'm more than willing to change my outlook on this subject.


Boredom, a range day and a platoon's worth of K-Pots that were over their expiration date lead us to the following conclusions:

1) K-Pots bounce nicely when nearly hit by 40mm HEDP.
2) 7.62 from a G3 and MG-3 goes out the other side at 500m most of the time.
3) 5.56 from a G36 penetrates one side at 500m, and sometimes the other.
4) 9mm shot out of an MP2 (Uzi to you non-Germans) will not reliably penetrate. It will dent the inside, but we only observed three holes in eleven rounds. Ranges were 25-200m.
4.1) Our MP2s still really show their age (quelle surprise). We had two that fired FA all the time, and went off when dropped. Also the safety did not work.
5) 9mm from a handgun will never penetrate. Even at two feet.
6) At a different occasion, it was demonstrated that detonating a DM51A1 frag grenade under the helmet will send it flying very high, but not put holes in it.

edits: I forgot, all this is steel (tungsten in case of the 7.62) core ammo, standard Army issue.
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Maeklos » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:43 am

Yeah, I think that about the only thing that's going to reliably protect from a rifle round or a dedicated AP round is a half inch of titanium. But then, who wants to wear a 40-pound helmet all day?
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Ufdyixcaff » Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:06 am

Maeklos wrote:Yeah, I think that about the only thing that's going to reliably protect from a rifle round or a dedicated AP round is a half inch of titanium. But then, who wants to wear a 40-pound helmet all day?



The Russians.

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Ive worn one. It sucks balls. Even with the ballistic shield removed, it feels like you have a toddler duct taped to your head. With the shield in place it is actually a bit better balanced, but weighs more.... sooooo... yeah.

The steel models are rated to stop all pistol ammo, even AP. The ti models will supposedly stop 7.62x54R.

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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Czechnology » Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:36 am

KeepItSimpleStupid wrote:
Maeklos wrote:Yeah, I think that about the only thing that's going to reliably protect from a rifle round or a dedicated AP round is a half inch of titanium. But then, who wants to wear a 40-pound helmet all day?



The Russians.

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Ive worn one. It sucks balls. Even with the ballistic shield removed, it feels like you have a toddler duct taped to your head. With the shield in place it is actually a bit better balanced, but weighs more.... sooooo... yeah.

The steel models are rated to stop all pistol ammo, even AP. The ti models will supposedly stop 7.62x54R.


You're not a real man unless you can perfectly execute a backflipping hatchet attack while wearing one of those.
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by phil_in_cs » Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:42 am

KeepItSimpleStupid wrote:The steel models are rated to stop all pistol ammo, even AP. The ti models will supposedly stop 7.62x54R.


Even if it stopped the 7.62x54R, I bet the impact would break your neck.
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Kentucky J » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:04 am

That German Guy wrote:
Kentucky J wrote:If anyone here has any first hand experience contrary to my observations, I'm more than willing to change my outlook on this subject.


Boredom, a range day and a platoon's worth of K-Pots that were over their expiration date lead us to the following conclusions:

1) K-Pots bounce nicely when nearly hit by 40mm HEDP.
2) 7.62 from a G3 and MG-3 goes out the other side at 500m most of the time.
3) 5.56 from a G36 penetrates one side at 500m, and sometimes the other.
4) 9mm shot out of an MP2 (Uzi to you non-Germans) will not reliably penetrate. It will dent the inside, but we only observed three holes in eleven rounds. Ranges were 25-200m.
4.1) Our MP2s still really show their age (quelle surprise). We had two that fired FA all the time, and went off when dropped. Also the safety did not work.
5) 9mm from a handgun will never penetrate. Even at two feet.
6) At a different occasion, it was demonstrated that detonating a DM51A1 frag grenade under the helmet will send it flying very high, but not put holes in it.

edits: I forgot, all this is steel (tungsten in case of the 7.62) core ammo, standard Army issue.


Dude. You are so fucking money.

Really. That is awesome. Someone get this man a beer.
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Maeklos » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:37 pm

phil_in_cs wrote:
KeepItSimpleStupid wrote:The steel models are rated to stop all pistol ammo, even AP. The ti models will supposedly stop 7.62x54R.


Even if it stopped the 7.62x54R, I bet the impact would break your neck.


This is Russia we're talking about! Life is cheap, equipment is not. If the helmet survives...great! If the soldier dies, there's always another one. :)
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by That German Guy » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:46 pm

Kentucky J wrote:Dude. You are so fucking money.

Really. That is awesome. Someone get this man a beer.

Want pics? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: We keep those things in the basement somewhere to show to recruits, the lesson being "your helmet is a Good Thing (the ones that held up are shown), but keeping your head down is a Better Thing (they get to see the other ones).
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Ufdyixcaff » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:48 pm

phil_in_cs wrote:
KeepItSimpleStupid wrote:The steel models are rated to stop all pistol ammo, even AP. The ti models will supposedly stop 7.62x54R.


Even if it stopped the 7.62x54R, I bet the impact would break your neck.


Maybe, but I dont think so.

The helmets are really well lined and really heavy. The impact would be absorbed really well internally and the bullet would have A LOT of mass to move before it pushed the helmet anywhere, let alone with bone snapping energy.

It would definitely put you on your ass though.

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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Kentucky J » Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:49 pm

That German Guy wrote:Want pics?


On the behalf of myself and everyone else here, we'd love to see some pics!
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by MrAcheson » Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:27 am

Maeklos wrote:This is Russia we're talking about! Life is cheap, equipment is not. If the helmet survives...great! If the soldier dies, there's always another one. :)
Exactly. In Soviet Russia, helmet wears you!

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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by MRbungle » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:31 am

where's the pics?????
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Czechnology » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:34 am

MRbungle wrote:where's the pics?????


He's German. He has to organize them, and fill out the proper paperwork before he can post them. 8)
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by MarkTBSc » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:18 am

I'd probably go with one of the Skate helmets you can buy from Amazon. They come in various colours including Camo, and they're designed to protect against bashed skulls rather than bullets so they're not too heavy or hot. If it's raining then it'd probably get strapped to the outside of my ruck while I don my wide-brim to keep the water off. Especially in an urban situation when you could get knocked down by a cyclist or hurrying pedestrian... Or hit on the head by falling debris for that matter, I think they're worth it. Getting shot in the head... Well, if you're that unlucky then a helmet isn't going to save you.

This is an interesting helmet related story, just a shame it's a Hoax. Still, the helmet must have stopped the bullets for it to be believable at all.
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by 11mongo11 » Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:25 pm

Popped collar moron. Thank you, Kentucky J. I now have a label for those guys who like the FORMER, OLDER, '80's dress code. I will share gear with you, also.

I do live in an Urban area. I will probably pick up a helmet. I would like to see one of the newer Kevalar helmets. I missed out on a Bike/skate helmet at a Sports store that was marked down. I'm considering a helmet for, if things fall apart, when I moving, it will be at night. If I gotta get out of an area immediately, I don't want to have a problem brought on by a preventable injury.

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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by MIKE_the_MILITANT » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:53 pm

That Russian helmet is pretty cool, but nothing says, "I CAN KILL YOU!" quite like this.
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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Pondo_Sinatra » Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:22 am

MIKE_the_MILITANT wrote:That Russian helmet is pretty cool, but nothing says, "I CAN KILL YOU!" quite like this.
http://www.internationalbodyarmor.com/BodyArmor/HardArmor/BallisticFaceMask/#
Who would not want one. :D


Damn, that is pretty cool. Level IIIA. I'm sure getting shot in the face would still suck a LOT, but better than having nothing between your forehead and a bullet.

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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Dak Kovar » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:13 am

I think anyone living in an earthquake prone area should have some type of head protection. I have one I use and would take with me if I left the house. In general I think having something to protect your head is a good idea.

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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by Dan BGTC » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:33 pm

I wear a hard hat about 60 hours per week. You don't realize how often you bump your head until you see all the scratches and nicks your hat develops over time.

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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by MRbungle » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:43 am

Czechnology wrote:
MRbungle wrote:where's the pics?????


He's German. He has to organize them, and fill out the proper paperwork before he can post them. 8)



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Re: Brain Buckets

Post by runninjoe » Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:02 pm

If I learned anything from Home Alone 2, it is that a helmet is always a good idea. You can actually get Pro Tec helmets that are already OD or matte brown. You can even get ones with rails pre-mounted on the sides.

http://www.protechelmet.com/products.asp?cat=14

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