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Probably a white oak bokken. I've been training with one regularly for years and can strike pretty hard and quickly with it. Of course, a genuine sword is more likely to be fatal, but with a bokken you can gauge your level of "intensity". You can kill with a single strike to the head if necessary, but can maim or target the collarbone, ribs, shins, forearms, wrists and hands to simply disarm and cripple an attack.

Those Chinese ones will splinter and crack the first time they cross with a white oak bo staff, but the white oak swords border on indestructable.

Plus, up close you can grab the blade and use the whole thing like a jo staff, and it's a lot easier to drive around with one next to your budo bag. Or if you're going out for an evening walk, any meter-length wooden stick can double as a sword if you target the right areas.


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Imagine a fist sized stone spinning at the end of 3 feet of rope as fast as can be spun. I could release it or I could just hit you directly.


Umm, the lead sling bullets recovered were typically 1-2 oz. And, slungshots (there's a number of examples in ABoK) have been around 1-2 ft and only carrying a few ounces.

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If you use it as a contact weapon, it's basically a slungshot with no assurances that it won't turn into just a handful of string after the first strike or two. While slungshots and monkey fists have proven to be effective improvised weapons for centuries, my first choice of melee weapons wouldn't be what amounts to a pet rock on a leash.



Might I bring up the Latin American Bolas? Historic accounts note that they were used as striking weapons as well as hunting weapons. IME, they're a low easier to hit targets with then slings due to the 3-4 ft span.

Speaking of primitive weapons, I recently saw a National Geographic type tv program where everybody was carrying around 7 ft staves with what looked like tomahawk heads mounted near the top. It was in sub-Saharan Africa. Any idea what those were?


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Speaking of primitive weapons, I recently saw a National Geographic type tv program where everybody was carrying around 7 ft staves with what looked like tomahawk heads mounted near the top. It was in sub-Saharan Africa. Any idea what those were?

Sounds a lot like a poleaxe to me. Do you know the name of the tribe/more specific region? I could have sworn I'd seen old pictures of Masai warriors carrying poleaxes along with their spear bearing brethren, but I think poleaxes/long tomahawks where more common in the Congo and West Africa, with notable (mostly) ceremonial use by the Zulu. Also, when you say "tomahawk," could they have been adzes, which are popular the world over, or something more akin to a Dane axe?

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I'm throwing in a vote for the Police Truncheon . Cold Steel is making a version of it & I kinda dig it.

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I'm throwing in a vote for the Police Truncheon . Cold Steel is making a version of it & I kinda dig it.


interestingly primative versions of the truncheon are flat like a paddle. Which would probably do a bit more damage.
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I'm throwing in a vote for the Police Truncheon . Cold Steel is making a version of it & I kinda dig it.


interestingly primative versions of the truncheon are flat like a paddle. Which would probably do a bit more damage.
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Especially edge wise, something Pacific Islanders picked up a few thousand years ago:
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Always loved this style. Yes, those are shark teeth. Others used flakes of obsidian as edge blades.

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Speaking of primitive weapons, I recently saw a National Geographic type tv program where everybody was carrying around 7 ft staves with what looked like tomahawk heads mounted near the top. It was in sub-Saharan Africa. Any idea what those were?

Sounds a lot like a poleaxe to me. Do you know the name of the tribe/more specific region? I could have sworn I'd seen old pictures of Masai warriors carrying poleaxes along with their spear bearing brethren, but I think poleaxes/long tomahawks where more common in the Congo and West Africa, with notable (mostly) ceremonial use by the Zulu. Also, when you say "tomahawk," could they have been adzes, which are popular the world over, or something more akin to a Dane axe?


It was small for a Dane axe, and mounted a good foot from the top of the pole. If I had to guess agricultural uses, I'd say some sort of light axe remounted on a long handle. The blade edge wasn't far enough from the pole to be a tiller, or other earth work tool.

It was a program about lion research. Everybody was in western clothing, so no idea about tribes. The terrain was brushy and semi-arid. Medium altitude desert like. If I had to guess, I'd say Krueger National Park or a similar place.'


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I have a Kershaw Siege tomahawk that I carry in a belt mounted hammer loop and a CRKT Dragon that I carry as a necknife on a length of paracord .

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Dogan wrote:
I believe my first post in this thread was praising the capabilities of the brush hook. Welp, ZGB did a test with it and I still stand by my original brush hook/machete melee load out:



These things are NASTY and relatively cheap on Amazon!

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I would have a few bolitos with me to toss around some heads, in addition to my standard melee weapons. The world becoming chaotic and all, Cormac McCarthy has offered some fine outside the norm ideas.

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I've always wanted to weaponize a T-post.

Sharpen the blade and the end near the blade and you ought to really have something.

Even just if pulled out of the ground you'd have something deadly as hell.

And they are literally everywhere in America

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Zimmy wrote:
I've always wanted to weaponize a T-post.

Sharpen the blade and the end near the blade and you ought to really have something.

Even just if pulled out of the ground you'd have something deadly as hell.

And they are literally everywhere in America


Go hit a little tree with one, or just grab as wide as you can and bend... go ahead, it will make you feel muey machismo. T posts are great when combined with TIGHT wire adding support. By itself a t post is only slightly stiffer/stronger than a starched jock strap - and about as comfortable to deal with.

When it comes to improvised weaponry, I would still favor things at least marginally designed for human hands. Hammers, hatchets, hoes, golf clubs et cetera


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If you can bend a full gauge 6 1/2' T-post at full arms width you are tougher than your west Texas boots. Those cheesy green stamped metal ones don't count.

Yeah, it ain't perfect and its gotta help to have callouses to melee with one. Or adrenaline. Whichever.

It's not a tree chopper, quit hitting trees. The jarring from the hit would make the most wannabe badass drop the thing like it bit him.

But a soft body? I think it would hurt much more on the getting end than at the giving end.

Besides, pull another out of a fence and you're good as new!

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I'd take a cold Steel shovel for close range (mostly for other uses) and a cold steel Bushman (Bowie point) for mounting as a spear head.


So does the shovel come with a conversion unit? Ciener spoon kit maybe?


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I'd take a cold Steel shovel for close range (mostly for other uses) and a cold steel Bushman (Bowie point) for mounting as a spear head.


So does the shovel come with a conversion unit? Ciener spoon kit maybe?


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longy wrote:
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I'd take a cold Steel shovel for close range (mostly for other uses) and a cold steel Bushman (Bowie point) for mounting as a spear head.


So does the shovel come with a conversion unit? Ciener spoon kit maybe?


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For short range I have a Bagwell 5X Damascus Bowie. Bill himself taught me how to run it in a grueling day of negative reinforcement and positive coaching.

Wow, I wish I could afford that cool Cold Steel stuff the trolls carry.....

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longy wrote:
I'd take a cold Steel shovel for close range (mostly for other uses) and a cold steel Bushman (Bowie point) for mounting as a spear head.


Or

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yeah, $25 is a bit much for you to spend on any sort of gear., without a doubt.. $45 for the spear point, which I'd not bother to own, cause I carry a gun and I'm not getting in any melee's.


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best you can DO, punk?



Yeah, I am a punk. I've failed to emulate your awesomeness... but I will use my Cold Steel ice axe as a melee weapon

(the steel was really cold, too)

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I'd probably go with a pair of Nunchakus/Okinawan Rice Flails for close to medium range as my first melee weapon. Not necessarily because it's my favorite, but because it's the one I have the most training with and feel confident enough in my ability to use them effectively in combat...it might be a favorite though; I particularly like the grace and beauty of them; it's almost more like dancing at times as opposed to fighting haha.

For a long-range attack I'd go with poison-dipped throwing stars.

Chances are I wouldn't be running into any combat; I'd be traveling in the shadows, moving slowly, scarcely making a sound, leaving as many footprints in different directions as I can to confuse the enemy, (when you can't get rid of evidence, create an abundance of evidence to confuse your adversary), doubling back using the "J-Hook" counter-tracking technique to set an ambush for anyone who might be following me. Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil.....for I am the meanest son of a bitch in the valley. :twisted:


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204 wrote:
I'd probably go with a pair of Nunchakus/Okinawan Rice Flails for close to medium range as my first melee weapon. Not necessarily because it's my favorite, but because it's the one I have the most training with and feel confident enough in my ability to use them effectively in combat...it might be a favorite though; I particularly like the grace and beauty of them; it's almost more like dancing at times as opposed to fighting haha.

For a long-range attack I'd go with poison-dipped throwing stars.

Chances are I wouldn't be running into any combat; I'd be traveling in the shadows, moving slowly, scarcely making a sound, leaving as many footprints in different directions as I can to confuse the enemy, (when you can't get rid of evidence, create an abundance of evidence to confuse your adversary), doubling back using the "J-Hook" counter-tracking technique to set an ambush for anyone who might be following me. Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil.....for I am the meanest son of a bitch in the valley. :twisted:


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You should probably nix the poison dipped throwing stars. Most likely you'd stick yourself or have the poison on your hand from handling them, then pick your teeth/nose/eye or something. Also what fast acting poison were you thinking of using that wouldn't kill you on contact? Because any slow acting poison will give the adversary time to kill you first, then later they'd die of poison. Revenge is not satisfying for the dead.

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1. 2 pound mini-sledge hammer (a claw hammer like a nice Estwing would do as well).

2. Baseball bat (even one of those poly Cold Steel branded jobs)

3. Machete


Because... I know how to use those and they don't require much training unless you count years of baseball practice and household maintenance.

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