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Re: A Word of Warning...Caution, Somewhat Graphic Images

Post by jor-el » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:07 am

Guessing Lynn Thompson read this thread.


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Re: A Word of Warning...Caution, Somewhat Graphic Images

Post by squinty » Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:23 pm

jor-el wrote:Guessing Lynn Thompson read this thread.


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Cool. Wonder if a San Mai III version will come available?

I've only owned Cold Steel AUS 8 folders. I know you have a bunch of CS stuff, Jor-El, in your opinion is the San Mai worth the extra cost over their SK-5?
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Re: A Word of Warning...Caution, Somewhat Graphic Images

Post by MrEnigma » Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:45 pm

Um, the kukri is a chopper. Why does anyone need to stab with it? I'm not understanding the want or need for the "plus" on that kukri. I'm sorry that happened to ya. I've never had stitches as a result of a knife, but I have had my share of doing something stupid with a blade. One being my Mora 1. I use it for wood working and I was dumb enough to work after I got tired. I got frustrated and had to get the FAK out to deal with that aftermath. I felt no pain and I was in shock from that fact. I wasn't sure I was even injured or not. That lil guy is quite unforgiving when it comes to mistakes.

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Re: A Word of Warning...Caution, Somewhat Graphic Images

Post by jor-el » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:41 am

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jor-el wrote:Guessing Lynn Thompson read this thread.


http://www.coldsteel.com/gukupl.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Cool. Wonder if a San Mai III version will come available?

I've only owned Cold Steel AUS 8 folders. I know you have a bunch of CS stuff, Jor-El, in your opinion is the San Mai worth the extra cost over their SK-5?
The San Mai comes with a rather narrow, convex, rolled edge. The SK-5 has a beveled edge. A number of people have put their own rolled edges on blades. I feel they could put the same edge on both. The San Mai's attraction is the added rust resistance over SK5 or Carbon V. The blades could be epoxy coated as they were for a few years, but the coating caused drag when cutting.

I have a few unfinished Carbon V blades courtesy of Ebay that rusted in my basement because I hadn't the time to oil them a couple of years back. A couple of Bushmans made of SK5 developed rust on the unprotected edge under the same circumstances. That's just a fact of life with high carbon steels.

As soon as I can get around to picking up a Work Sharp, I'll try to give my SK-5 a similar edge to my SMIII. That would make a straight comparison possible.
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Re: A Word of Warning...Caution, Somewhat Graphic Images

Post by jor-el » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:53 am

MrEnigma wrote:Um, the kukri is a chopper. Why does anyone need to stab with it? I'm not understanding the want or need for the "plus" on that kukri. I'm sorry that happened to ya. I've never had stitches as a result of a knife, but I have had my share of doing something stupid with a blade. One being my Mora 1. I use it for wood working and I was dumb enough to work after I got tired. I got frustrated and had to get the FAK out to deal with that aftermath. I felt no pain and I was in shock from that fact. I wasn't sure I was even injured or not. That lil guy is quite unforgiving when it comes to mistakes.

If the Gurkhas just wanted a chopper, they would be using meat cleavers. As a fighting weapon, the oppourtunity to make a quick superficial stab should not be discounted. As a field tool the sharp point allows options a rectangular blade like a cleaver can't do.
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Re: A Word of Warning...Caution, Somewhat Graphic Images

Post by superkord » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:12 am

Haha, its sad that a 300 dollar knife could have saved me 40 grand. All joking matters aside, the main thing I learned is that all knives you carry on a daily basis should have a decent hilt to HELP protect your hand from slippage. Short of brass knuckle style handgaurds nothing is 100%. But ANY knife you carry or use or ever would consider using for personal protection should have some way of preventing your hand from sliding down the blade. The fact of the matter is my left hand was out of commision for 3 months because of it. For all intents and purposes if i had been using that knife to defend myself, all I would have done is cut my chances of survival in half. No pun intended. A stab wound to the abdomen or other soft area would not have stopped an attacker, and a stab to a vital area would have required as much force as I used on the table. My hand was useless as soon as that tendon was severed. Think about that. A hand guard would HELP prevent that. Just my 40g's Your experience may very.

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PS to hell with spending 300 bucks on a fuckin kukri. Even with a hilt.
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Re: A Word of Warning...Caution, Somewhat Graphic Images

Post by squinty » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:06 am

superkord wrote:Haha, its sad that a 300 dollar knife could have saved me 40 grand. All joking matters aside, the main thing I learned is that all knives you carry on a daily basis should have a decent hilt to HELP protect your hand from slippage. Short of brass knuckle style handgaurds nothing is 100%. But ANY knife you carry or use or ever would consider using for personal protection should have some way of preventing your hand from sliding down the blade. The fact of the matter is my left hand was out of commision for 3 months because of it. For all intents and purposes if i had been using that knife to defend myself, all I would have done is cut my chances of survival in half. No pun intended. A stab wound to the abdomen or other soft area would not have stopped an attacker, and a stab to a vital area would have required as much force as I used on the table. My hand was useless as soon as that tendon was severed. Think about that. A hand guard would HELP prevent that. Just my 40g's Your experience may very.

-c/Kord!

PS to hell with spending 300 bucks on a fuckin kukri. Even with a hilt.
Oh, I like hand guards too, but you were using your knife in an unsafe manner.
Lot's of traditional knives, both utility and defensive, don't have guards.
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Re: A Word of Warning...Caution, Somewhat Graphic Images

Post by JC8 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:00 pm

Wow, you really mauled yourself!!! On the plus side, I don't feel nearly as bad for taking my pinky down to the bone. I left the retention strap undone on a new golok and it slid backwards out of the sheath over my finger.

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Re: A Word of Warning...Caution, Somewhat Graphic Images

Post by KnightoftheRoc » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:08 am

superkord wrote:Haha, its sad that a 300 dollar knife could have saved me 40 grand. All joking matters aside, the main thing I learned is that all knives you carry on a daily basis should have a decent hilt to HELP protect your hand from slippage. Short of brass knuckle style handgaurds nothing is 100%. But ANY knife you carry or use or ever would consider using for personal protection should have some way of preventing your hand from sliding down the blade. The fact of the matter is my left hand was out of commision for 3 months because of it. For all intents and purposes if i had been using that knife to defend myself, all I would have done is cut my chances of survival in half. No pun intended. A stab wound to the abdomen or other soft area would not have stopped an attacker, and a stab to a vital area would have required as much force as I used on the table. My hand was useless as soon as that tendon was severed. Think about that. A hand guard would HELP prevent that. Just my 40g's Your experience may very.

-c/Kord!

PS to hell with spending 300 bucks on a fuckin kukri. Even with a hilt.
No, you wouldn't even need to spend the $300, had you thought first, for free. Saving the same $40,000.00. You can try to reason your way into an excuse, but it still comes down to having made a dumb move to start with, and you were initially honest about that- don't muddy it up now.
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Re: A Word of Warning...Caution, Somewhat Graphic Images

Post by superkord » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:29 am

Im confused. I didnt mean for anyone to think that I was blaming an inanimate object for what happened. There is nothing wrong with learning from the lesson though. Obviously the big lesson is dont stab tables. But to stop learning there is half assed. Short of not stabbing the table, what could have helped prevented the trip to the hospital? A hilt? A paracord loop? Less Jagermeister? All of the above? I know that what I did was dumb, but Im not the first person to stab a table and Im certainly not the last. Common sense is ingredient numero uno but that conversation get a little boring after awhile dont you think?
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Post by jor-el » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:12 pm

That is the OTHER point. Safety and thinking about your actions prior to doing them is yet another never-ending battle. Every instructor in any craft involving things that can cause pain, injury or death will be constantly bringing up safety issues.

THe line of logic you're starting to embark upon is why we cannot have nice things. That is the path of twenty pound trigger pulls on pistols, multiple manual safeties, trigger locks both external and internal/infernal, and instruction manuals written by law school graduates with ESL skills.

Did I catch that you were drinking alcoholic beverages at the time of this occurrance?

Am I to understand that the thread is going places you did not intend?
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Post by JC8 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:16 am

A knife is like any other potentially dangerous inanimate object...they're only dangerous in relation to how they're being used (hope that makes sense). You have to pay attention and be thoughtful to keep a car on the road, and you need to do the same keep a knife from biting. Lose your attention or be thoughtless under the "wrong" conditions and you've got a car in a ditch and you're picking teeth out of the dash. The trick is to be mindful, but if someone also feels the need to buy a new car with airbags to stay safe then that's good too. I got excited about a new knife and lost focus and it bit. I still use that knife almost weekly and I've just changed my behavior to reduce the chance of seeing my insides on the outside.
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Post by squinty » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:15 pm

Twenty pound triggers suck. But guards on knives are ok.
I spent many years in a profession that involved manipulating sharp needles contaminated with the blood of strangers. Lot's and lot's of HIV positive patients, lot's of other blood borne pathogens, lot's of distractions around me and frequently less than ideal conditions (twitchy or combative patient, etc.)

After 12 years in that field, I stuck myself in the damn finger with a damn needle filled with blood from a high risk patient. It was my fault. People asked me "How do you accidentally stick yourself with a needle?"

The answer is, if you infrequently handle dangerous needles, you'll probably be mindful every single time you pick one up. But if you handle 100- 120 needles a day, going fast, in practiced rote motions, you get complacent, or the law of averages - or of Murphy - catches up to you. Safety equipment can't take the place of care and mindfulness when handling dangerous objects, but since %100 24/7 unwavering mindfulness isn't humanly possible, mechanical backups are OK to have. The proper and consistent use of safety equipment, and other safe behaviors need to be part of that "rote" (or "routine?") behavior that I mentioned earlier. But don't call those mechanical backups "safeties." Safety isn't a lever on a gun, a guard on a knife or any other mechanical device. Safety is a behavior.
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Post by Chuck13s » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:44 pm

superkord wrote: Surprisingly there was very little pain.
That is just sign of how sharp the blade is. when it's sharp it cuts the skin, when it's dull it tears the skin, and only one of these you'll feel as it happens.

You should post a pic of the offending blade.
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Post by WTFchad » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:17 pm

Let this incident serve as a reminder that we must be cautious when handling guns and knives. Not only should you follow proper procedures when handling a knife, but also try to make a point of not getting careless. Imagine if you weren't in the city when this happened.You may have lost that hand otherwise.

Also try to apply this example to a more drastic scenario like the Post-Collapse. He would've never recieved treatment for his hand. He may have eventually gotten it infected with gangrene. If anyone watches the Walking Dead you may remember when the black guy cut his arm on the door of a rusty car and almost died from fever alone. It was pretty realistic in the least. Well, you know... Minus the zombies. :(
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Post by Bunni » Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:50 pm

No matter the skill level and intelligence of the user accidents happen when our mind is not on the task at hand. I can't seem to link the picture, but I made a stupid move that I knew better and severed 1/3 of me left pointer finger notching a log for a tipi. So when playing with knives a lot its good to learn first aid. lol. Thanks for sharing your story, sorry for the unfortunate events, but your example might help someone.
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Post by ChuckRocks » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:11 pm

Not bad, not bad at all.
Kids need to get a little bloody from time to time in order to learn.
I would much rather see you slice your own fingers to the bone than have to do it for you.

In the Nam I got sliced up a little but I didn't leave any zombies around to bother anyone.
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Post by MidRange » Fri May 04, 2012 6:08 pm

Just got my stitches out of my right index finger (sorry no camera for scar porn). From the apex to the left side just shy of the knuckle. Was working with some wood, the knife slipped trough a rough spot, and hit the back of my finger which was grasping the base. $600 for the treatment plus a lesson learned.

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Post by Night Errant » Sat May 05, 2012 1:46 am

Yup, did that that to my thumb once. Splattered blood all over my kitchen. Seven stiches. Experience keeps a dear school.
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Post by kquatro3322 » Wed May 09, 2012 9:55 am

I have had stitches over 8 times and it has sucked every time. Thankfully only one of the 8 times was a wound from the misuse of a knife but this is a great reminder that we all need to be careful that. You can unload a gun but you cant unload a knife. :oops: :oops: :oops:

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Post by praharin » Wed May 30, 2012 7:00 pm

kquatro3322 wrote:You can unload a gun but you cant unload a knife. :oops: :oops: :oops:
Sure you can:

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That aside, neither a loaded gun or knife with exposed blade is a danger all by itself. It's either intentional, negligent or accidental when either one hurts someone.
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Post by squinty » Wed May 30, 2012 8:52 pm

praharin wrote:
kquatro3322 wrote:You can unload a gun but you cant unload a knife. :oops: :oops: :oops:
Sure you can:

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That aside, neither a loaded gun or knife with exposed blade is a danger all by itself. It's either intentional, negligent or accidental when either one hurts someone.
What did you do to that poor little Mora?

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Post by Apocollapse » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:48 am

squinty wrote:After 12 years in that field, I stuck myself in the damn finger with a damn needle filled with blood from a high risk patient.
I'm almost afraid to ask, but how did that turn out? You probably had to wait weeks to find out if you were infected. I can't imagine how that must have been.
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Post by squinty » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:16 pm

Apocollapse wrote:
squinty wrote:After 12 years in that field, I stuck myself in the damn finger with a damn needle filled with blood from a high risk patient.
I'm almost afraid to ask, but how did that turn out? You probably had to wait weeks to find out if you were infected. I can't imagine how that must have been.
It worked out. I had all my hep vaccinations, the patient turned out not to have anything I wasn't vaccinated against (though he led a high risk lifestyle. I had to wait for my test and his to come back.) I didn't catch anything but grief from my supervisor, who grilled me about safety precautions and whether I'd taken them or not. ("Tell me the truth: you tried to hand recap the needle, right?" Etc.)
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