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So, I will preface this post by saying that the previous posts/threads on archery are great and super-informative, but I would still be interested in opinions specifically to my needs for a bow. Hopefully, no one will think I am trying to re-invent the wheel here.

I have been taking archery lessons for about 6 months now and, while my instructor graciously lets us use his extra compound bows, I'm kind of at the point that if I want to progress any further I need my own bow. Particularly because I just want/need to get in more practice time between lessons at this point. I've done some research on my own, but would love some recommendations from those in the know before I blow enough money to make myself nauseous.

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-I am only interested at this point in traditional, instinctive shooting
-I am left-eye dominant (and left-handed)
-At this point, I am more interested in just archery, rather than bowhunting
-I am a weakling right now, so need a bow that will come in a 30-35#draw weight
-I am a very small person- only 5ft tall, so my draw length is only 26 inches.
-I am not rolling in money, so I need the cheapest bow that meets my needs and is still decent
-And, lastly, while I get that full laminate or metal bows have great durability and are perfectly fine, the girly/dorky part of me who not-so-secretly wants to be a gnomish ranger likes wooden bows :D

My instructor thinks a takedown would be better than a one-piece bow, since I need to work on getting my draw weight up and can replace the limbs as I go along. I had narrowed the field down to two Samicks, mainly based upon good reviews to cost ratio. Looking at either a Samick Sage 62" TD Recurve or a Samick Nighthawk 60" TD recurve. I really can't tell from descriptions any difference in quality, but the Nighthawk is almost twice as expensive as the Sage. Also, not sure how much the two inch bow length difference will matter to me, especially with my short draw length.

So, thoughts, ideas, other recommendations? Anything I am not thinking of? Also, does anyone have experiences using either of the bows I mentioned above? Thanks in advance!

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1) <bumping thread so it gets more traffic>

2) <marking thread so I can read its progress>

3) I'm not an archer- the only bows I have ever fired we're a plastic 'toy' shirt bow at Boy Scout camp and my daughters compound bow. So I have no advice to add, but she is also looking for a wooden longbow or recurve bow, so I want to see whew this conversation goes.

4) Honestly, Elly, it sounds like you have already done your research and are ready to make an informed decision.

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Thanks for the bump! I hadn't notice this before. I'll comment when I get some extra time with some questions and comments.

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Hiro- Thanks for the bump and the confidence in my research! Halfapint- Look forward to your comments and questions!

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Couple of questions, why do you want a recurve? You've been practicing with compound bows why make the switch? I've got nothing against recurve I'm actually looking at getting one myself, however compound bows are probably easier for a new archer to work with.

Samick's are great for the money, just get the sage if you are dead set on a recurve. But a 62" is a little over 5' in length, it will be taller than you are. That's not a bad thing but it can be a bit unwieldy for a new and a bit weaker archer. I would maybe get a cheaper plastic amazon one just to practice with and get some strength.

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Also, look on youtube and the backyard bowyer. If you are handy, and have an hour or two and about $40 worth of materials.... You can make your own! Once I figure out my housing situation that's my plan, start making some bows!

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If you are short a recurve makes less sense to me. A compound bow would seem the ideal solution. You can adjust as you get stronger too. I must be missing something. :?

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So, to answer questions!

I see several people asking about why I would want a recurve. I am very interested in traditional archery, that was the reason I wanted to learn archery in the first place, and compound bows are just not used for that. One of my many geek interests is in historical/traditional weaponry.

The only reason I've been practicing with compounds is because that was what was available for me to use for free. Thought it was a good idea to see if I liked shooting before shelling out bucks for my own. Unfortunately, my LAS doesn't have any left-handed recurve bows in stock at a low enough draw weight for me to practice on (they only keep left-handers in 45-60#)...but, I have a friend who has a wooden recurve I have used a couple of times and I really like it.

I would just do a one-piece, but conceding to sense on that point because one-piece wooden recurves are so much more expensive and I don't want to pay that much for a bow I would definitely outgrow. With a takedown, I can sell my old limbs as I go up in draw weight, rather than having to get a completely new bow. Or pass them down to my son when he gets older, since he is learning with me :)

I have also found that it is my bow arm that gets tired, not my draw arm. The compound bows I have used are metal and feel really heavy, while the wooden bows I have used feel light as a feather.

As for the size of the bow- the only reason I was looking at the Samick Nighthawk, even though it was more expensive, is because it was a 60in instead of 62. According to 3Rivers and a few other sites I looked at, 60in would better suit my draw length.

Why not a super cheap plastic bow? Cheap plastic bows do not shoot well and you have to compensate for them a lot more, so it is difficult to figure out how much is the bow just being crappy and how much is your technique being sloppy. Also, I'm planning on getting it for myself for my b-day, so might as well get something semi-nice.

Finally, I honestly just think wooden bows, particularly recurves, are beautiful and elegant. Have since I was a kid. May not be the most sensible reason, but it is a reason :D

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Ellywick wrote:
Finally, I honestly just think wooden bows, particularly recurves, are beautiful and elegant. Have since I was a kid. May not be the most sensible reason, but it is a reason :D


That is good enough! Hobbies are supposed to be fun. Why not enjoy the history and romance of a classic?

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teotwaki wrote:
Ellywick wrote:
Finally, I honestly just think wooden bows, particularly recurves, are beautiful and elegant. Have since I was a kid. May not be the most sensible reason, but it is a reason :D


That is good enough! Hobbies are supposed to be fun. Why not enjoy the history and romance of a classic?


Mere efficiency can't hold a candle to beautiful and elegant. This isn't one of those forums where we tell everyone that their M1 Garand is no good for zombie slaying and they simple have to get an AR instead.


At least it isn't anymore. :D

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My daughter began archery last year for the local 4H Shooting Sports. While she has many coaches to help her, including her mother who became certified at the end of last year, practice has been the biggest boon.

She shoots traditional (recurve/longbow). She is right handed, but left eye dominant. I am the total opposite, RED/LH, I learned in a RH dominant world and am now virtually ambidextrous. Using this insight I started her training left handed. She shoot rifles and bows LH.

She started with an inexpensive fiberglass ambidextrous recurve bow and was atrocious at it. One afternoon at Cabelas she spotted a left handed PSE Razorback recurve bow in 25#. http://pse-archery.com/shop/heritage-bows/razorback/ The kind salesperson fitted the nock set for her to practice with, and it was night and day. She actually managed to stick all the arrows in the target. I bought it for her and had it fitted for her on the spot with a rest. This was a year ago approximately.

She has gone to two meets this season as a traditional archer, and she has brought home second (first meet) and first (second meet) and first place team (second meet) trophies. At the second meet she was the highest scoring of all age groups with a 44 at 10/10/15yd. That might seem like a low score seeing as how several of the Bow Hunters (unlimited compound class) were turning in scores of 80+, but at the end of the day she shot against a coach from another county, in an open traditional match and she scored 24 to his 27 at 15/20/25. I was very proud of her.

Arrows do make a big difference. She uses carbon fiber arrows provided by the club, and unbeknownst to me, one of the coaches has gone as far as to fletch special left handed arrows for her. I didn't know the fletching made a difference, but I suppose they are designed to spiral CCW to avoid contact?

So, while there are better choices out there, and obviously many more expensive ones, I see no fault at all with the PSE Razorback for a starter. Even at 25# it will help you lean the basics. Form, follow through and consistency are the most important things. The lower price of the bow will also help offset the cost of decent arrows. Anything other than carbon fiber arrows are a waste of time and effort. You don't need more than a dozen, and once you stop breaking and losing them, half a dozen will do. My heathen never carries more than seven at a time. Five shots a relay with two spares in case she robin hood's one. Which she has done, twice.

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My daughter began archery last year for the local 4H Shooting Sports. While she has many coaches to help her, including her mother who became certified at the end of last year, practice has been the biggest boon.

She shoots traditional (recurve/longbow). She is right handed, but left eye dominant. I am the total opposite, RED/LH, I learned in a RH dominant world and am now virtually ambidextrous. Using this insight I started her training left handed. She shoot rifles and bows LH.

She started with an inexpensive fiberglass ambidextrous recurve bow and was atrocious at it. One afternoon at Cabelas she spotted a left handed PSE Razorback recurve bow in 25#. http://pse-archery.com/shop/heritage-bows/razorback/ The kind salesperson fitted the nock set for her to practice with, and it was night and day. She actually managed to stick all the arrows in the target. I bought it for her and had it fitted for her on the spot with a rest. This was a year ago approximately.

She has gone to two meets this season as a traditional archer, and she has brought home second (first meet) and first (second meet) and first place team (second meet) trophies. At the second meet she was the highest scoring of all age groups with a 44 at 10/10/15yd. That might seem like a low score seeing as how several of the Bow Hunters (unlimited compound class) were turning in scores of 80+, but at the end of the day she shot against a coach from another county, in an open traditional match and she scored 24 to his 27 at 15/20/25. I was very proud of her.

Arrows do make a big difference. She uses carbon fiber arrows provided by the club, and unbeknownst to me, one of the coaches has gone as far as to fletch special left handed arrows for her. I didn't know the fletching made a difference, but I suppose they are designed to spiral CCW to avoid contact?

So, while there are better choices out there, and obviously many more expensive ones, I see no fault at all with the PSE Razorback for a starter. Even at 25# it will help you lean the basics. Form, follow through and consistency are the most important things. The lower price of the bow will also help offset the cost of decent arrows. Anything other than carbon fiber arrows are a waste of time and effort. You don't need more than a dozen, and once you stop breaking and losing them, half a dozen will do. My heathen never carries more than seven at a time. Five shots a relay with two spares in case she robin hood's one. Which she has done, twice.

Good luck with your new hobby, it is very rewarding.


Thanks for the advice and congrats on your daughter's passion for archery and her accomplishments! The Razorback looks like a similar price-range to the Samick Sage. Nice to also know that a youth (is she very tall?) is shooting with a 62 in bow. I am so short I didn't know if the difference between a 62 and 60 would matter or not.

I am Left-handed/Left eye dominant. TBH, I am actually only slightly left eye dominant, I believe because of my eyesight issues (I wear glasses and have atrocious vision, but one eye has worse than another). This causes difficulties unless I remember to close my right eye when shooting, to the point when I shoot badly he asks if my eye was closed and jokes that I need an eyepatch :D

Also, many thanks on the recommendations for arrows. I hadn't asked about that, but probably should have.

My birthday is in a few weeks, so hopefully I'll be able to post pics of what I get on here soon, as long as money allows :D

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I would go with the Sage, and not look back. We're talking about 2" difference in length? That's not enough difference to worry about... and, theoretically, the longer bows are "smoother" to shoot... again, I'm not sure 2" would make much difference there, but it's there.

I've heard very good things about the Sage as an entry level bow. Quality is good enough to be a "forever" bow, but it's priced low enough to make it easy to get into the sport. And, you can replace the limbs, if you want more pull weight.

I, too, prefer instinctive aiming, with a recurve, and have been looking at getting a Sage, or something similar (Cabelas?) I used to shoot a bow, about a hundred years ago, and really enjoyed it. I shot a Bear, Kodiak Magnum, which was a pretty short bow, designed primarily for hunting. I wish I still had it. I have a recurve now, that I bought second hand, but it is simply too heavy a pull weight for me right now. At my draw length, it's 67 pounds. Way too much for me at this point.

There are things you can do with a recurve that you simply cannot do with a compound.... such as turning the bow sideways to shoot under brush, or shooting from less than full draw... most compounds don't like that at all, IIRC.


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This has been a good thread to read. I second the Razorback - a friend's son has one and he loves it. Also, the carbon arrows. I also recommend getting a few weights to strengthen a few key muscles. Even isometrics with a band will work those arm/shoulder muscles. I also recommend you look for every "USED - ARCHERY" site that you can because one can often save quite a bit by buying from someone else that is looking to buy up. I love my hunting bow and the fact that someone else used it before seeing something shiny and new. I use (hunt) mainly compound. I normally start shooting 8-10 arrows a day in the backyard as it gets closer to bow season using a lightweight bow that belongs to my daughter. I also start working at the same time with dumb bells to strengthen my shoulders for heavier pulls with my hunting bow. Every year it seems to get harder to pull back, and, even though it is adjustable I find myself not wanting to admit that...well, you know...

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Asymetryczna wrote:
I also recommend getting a few weights to strengthen a few key muscles. Even isometrics with a band will work those arm/shoulder muscles.


Look up "DIY rigid formaster". It's two loops that go around your string arm above/below the elbow, and a cord that runs to the bowstring. You can use it to build up strength by coming to full draw, holding for 10-30 seconds, and let down and rest for 20-60 seconds. Repeat 6-12 times. Best system I've found.

Matching the arrow to the bow matters more then any other equipment choices. Tuning the bow correctly is a close second (I'm partial to walkback to 40 yards). Correct shooting form is the third. Your actual equipment selection cost is way down the list, and mainly counts more for comfort than accuracy, unless you're already a good shot.

Three River's Archery website has a arrow spine calculator. It's pretty accurate. But, if you're using a cushion plunger of a spring plate, you have to add a couple of lbs to compensate for it's deflection
http://www.3riversarchery.com/dynamic-s ... chery.html


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Thanks C_E. Found the DIY info and will try it. My equipment and skill set are good but I have some old wounds (rubgy) and aging that seem to keep training even when I don't.

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