"Zombie" Knives now banned in the UK

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"Zombie" Knives now banned in the UK

Post by Ad'lan » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:14 am

Does anyone remember those brightly coloured plastic handled Zombie Knives that were over priced and all the rage a few years back? I'm sure I could dig up the thread if I looked.

Well, thanks to a high profile knife attack, the UK has now added a small set of provisions to the Criminal Justice Act.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37080682
2.—(1) The Schedule to the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988(1) (which specifies offensive weapons for the purposes of section 141 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988) is amended as follows.

(2) In paragraph 1, after sub-paragraph (r) insert—

“(s)the weapon sometimes known as a “zombie knife”, “zombie killer knife” or “zombie slayer knife”, being a blade with—
(i)a cutting edge;
(ii)a serrated edge; and
(iii)images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence.”.
Sub-Paragraph (r) being the legislation that restricted sale of "Samurai" Swords of course.

Having see how effective the last ban was, I'm sure this one will quell any troubles my fair country has been having with knife crime.
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Post by majorhavoc » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:26 am

I won't elaborate any further because of forum rules, but equating graphics about fictional supernatural creatures printed on a knife to actual violent crimes committed by real people is a little like blaming another tool for the misdeeds of the people who use them.

What next: outlaw the color neon lime green?

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Post by andrewza » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:57 am

People that make these lawa are stupid. Screw drivers are a deadly weapon are they gonna ban those to?
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:28 am

So just because one lunatic goes crazy and decides to stab a bunch of folks, the someone in the government over there decides "Hey, let's ban those scary 'zombie' knives. That'll make everyone so much safer and crime will cease to be."

I can't even begin to wrap my mind around the logic or lack of when it comes to these 'feel good' laws.

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Post by raptor » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:38 am

Ad'lan wrote:
Having see how effective the last ban was, I'm sure this one will quell any troubles my fair country has been having with knife crime.
It will be absolutely effective.

BTW here is a link to a very nice kitchen knife ... for slicing bread, carrots and such.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bergner-Kitche ... 76&sr=1-78


I also found this nice sushi knife you may like. Yumm ...sushi.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Narihira-21cm- ... 36&sr=1-50

Amazon UK carries these.

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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:46 am

raptor wrote:
Ad'lan wrote:
Having see how effective the last ban was, I'm sure this one will quell any troubles my fair country has been having with knife crime.
It will be absolutely effective.

BTW here is a link to that nice kitchen knife we discussed ... for slicing bread, carrots and such.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bergner-Kitche ... 76&sr=1-78


I also found this nice sushi knife you may like. Yumm ...sushi.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Narihira-21cm- ... 36&sr=1-50
This new ban will have about as much effect on crime as a Super Soaker would have had on the Great Chicago Fire of 1871.

Or to put it in more modern terms, like a shot glass on the flooding in Baton Rouge.

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Re: "Zombie" Knives now banned in the UK

Post by sheddi » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:52 pm

Ad'lan wrote:Does anyone remember those brightly coloured plastic handled Zombie Knives that were over priced and all the rage a few years back? I'm sure I could dig up the thread if I looked.
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Having see how effective the last ban was, I'm sure this one will quell any troubles my fair country has been having with knife crime.
There are two paragraphs from the BBC news article (the same article you quote) that might be helpful illuminating of interest here:
Alf Hitchcock [the] lead on knife crime at the National Police Chiefs' Council ... said the "vast majority" of knife crimes involved kitchen knives".
And:
There has been a 12% decrease in crimes involving knives in the last five years, according to police figures for England and Wales ... There were 214 suspected homicides in England and Wales where a knife or sharp instrument was used in 2015-16. The number of deaths has varied between 187 and 237 in the past five years.
So knife crime is on a steady decline and most knife crime involves kitchen knives. Yet time has been found to prepare, table and implement legislation outlawing zombie knives.

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Post by raptor » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:12 pm

sheddi wrote:
There has been a 12% decrease in crimes involving knives in the last five years, according to police figures for England and Wales ... There were 214 suspected homicides in England and Wales where a knife or sharp instrument was used in 2015-16. The number of deaths has varied between 187 and 237 in the past five years.

See! There you go ... the criminals knew the law was coming. They, being good citizens, modified their behavior and reduced the number of people they killed with knives.

I mean what else could explain this fact set?

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Post by B&Q » Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:26 pm

It's not the blades, but the marketing hype that's the issue. The UK long ago stopped glorifying guns, so why continue with knives?

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Post by Stercutus » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:24 pm

I got a better idea let's ban... oh this is simply too good an idea for me to say it...


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ley-gwynne
She also cautioned against focusing solely on online purchases. “There are so many places out there where you can buy a knife, there are so many in our own kitchens. You have to ban the ignorance that causes someone to pick up a knife in the first place.”
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Post by quazi » Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:45 pm

andrewza wrote:People that make these lawa are stupid. Screw drivers are a deadly weapon are they gonna ban those to?
Only if it has a green handle and the word "zombie" on it. Those are the features that turn it into an assault screwdriver.

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Post by BullOnParade » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:24 pm

Black rifles and green knives, the scourge of the earth.

I've never wanted a lime green handle/blade knife, but now, more than ever, I'm tempted to go looking for one of those ESEE 4s in lime green to keep with my AR15.
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Post by quazi » Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:44 pm

the_alias wrote:And people ask me why I left :roll:
I assumed it was because there isn't good mountain climbing in England.

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Post by the_alias » Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:56 pm

quazi wrote:
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I assumed it was because there isn't good mountain climbing in England.
That too! :lol:
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Post by gunsandrockets » Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:23 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... _by_decade

Murder rate, England+Wales, per 100,000 population, year 1910 = 0.81

Murder rate, England+Wales, per 100,000 population, year 2010 = 1.21

Of course 100 years ago weapons laws in the UK were virtually non-existant. Funny how the murder rate was only 2/3 as bad back then.
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Post by Storm Crow » Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:54 pm

They will rue the day they outlawed zombie killer knives when the undead are clamoring at the door. "Why, oh why, did we ever ban zombie killer knives? Now we shall die because we have removed all means of committing violence!"

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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:42 pm

Storm Crow wrote:They will rue the day they outlawed zombie killer knives when the undead are clamoring at the door. "Why, oh why, did we ever ban zombie killer knives? Now we shall die because we have removed all means of committing violence!"

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Post by claverhouse » Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:20 pm

It's a shame they've banned them because, whilst it is never a good thing to have a knife pulled on you, if it does unfortunately occur but happens to be one of those zombie killer knives you know that A - the knife is a POS and B - the guy handling it has absolutely no idea what he is doing
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:20 pm

quazi wrote:
andrewza wrote:People that make these lawa are stupid. Screw drivers are a deadly weapon are they gonna ban those to?
Only if it has a green handle and the word "zombie" on it. Those are the features that turn it into an assault screwdriver.
Looks like I need to stock up on cheap screwdrivers, a bunch of lime green paint and some zombie stickers. I'll sell them on Amazon under the product name "Zombie Screwdrivers". :D

Actually, "Zombie Screwdrivers" sounds more like the name of punk rock band than a product name. :lol:

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Post by MacWa77ace » Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:40 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
quazi wrote:
andrewza wrote:People that make these lawa are stupid. Screw drivers are a deadly weapon are they gonna ban those to?
Only if it has a green handle and the word "zombie" on it. Those are the features that turn it into an assault screwdriver.
Looks like I need to stock up on cheap screwdrivers, a bunch of lime green paint and some zombie stickers. I'll sell them on Amazon under the product name "Zombie Screwdrivers". :D

Actually, "Zombie Screwdrivers" sounds more like the name of punk rock band than a product name. :lol:

They sell those down on Miami beach, Vodka and lime juice. It's a cocktail.

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Post by LowKey » Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:51 pm

MacWa77ace wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
quazi wrote:
andrewza wrote:People that make these lawa are stupid. Screw drivers are a deadly weapon are they gonna ban those to?
Only if it has a green handle and the word "zombie" on it. Those are the features that turn it into an assault screwdriver.
Looks like I need to stock up on cheap screwdrivers, a bunch of lime green paint and some zombie stickers. I'll sell them on Amazon under the product name "Zombie Screwdrivers". :D

Actually, "Zombie Screwdrivers" sounds more like the name of punk rock band than a product name. :lol:

They sell those down on Miami beach, Vodka and lime juice. It's a cocktail.

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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:08 pm

MacWa77ace wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
quazi wrote:
andrewza wrote:People that make these lawa are stupid. Screw drivers are a deadly weapon are they gonna ban those to?
Only if it has a green handle and the word "zombie" on it. Those are the features that turn it into an assault screwdriver.
Looks like I need to stock up on cheap screwdrivers, a bunch of lime green paint and some zombie stickers. I'll sell them on Amazon under the product name "Zombie Screwdrivers". :D

Actually, "Zombie Screwdrivers" sounds more like the name of punk rock band than a product name. :lol:

They sell those down on Miami beach, Vodka and lime juice. It's a cocktail.

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Not much of a mixed drink guy, but I just might try one of those as soon as I can get some vodka and lime juice. Or maybe some of that limeade stuff instead.

As for the actual screwdrivers, I still kind of want to buy a bunch of cheap ones from Harbor Freight and some lime green paint and sell them online. :lol:

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