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Darn, I was hoping for another convert to promoting pulling firearms out of holes in space-time.
But I guess the biometrics one would be good to test as well.

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Erie quiet wrote:
I'm not saying they don't work.

what I'm saying is since the buttons are a little janky it winds up taking longer to open than it should.

I would much rather have one of the biometrics if it was reliable, (haven't played with yet, gunna spin it to the boss that "it's one of the more expensive safe's don't you want a display?" guess who's gunna put his fingerprints in to see how it works? :wink:


I've had my hands on one of the biometric ones...and from my experience, it worked 100% of the time. I want one when I get my gun.

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I for one am a big proponent of shotgun under the bed. It would be rather awkward to sleep with it under my pillow.

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I'm pretty sure one of the only people who did this and got away with it was James Bond.

In Casino Royale, the book, there's a scene where Bond's got a .38 snub nosed under his pillow.

He trained himself to sleep on his back with one hand behind his head under the pillow, gripping the revolver.

That's of course, when he's not with the ladies.

Don't really know how well this would work in reality. I'll never try it because, in so many ways, I'm not James Bond.


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Boondock wrote:
I'm pretty sure one of the only people who did this and got away with it was James Bond.

In Casino Royale, the book, there's a scene where Bond's got a .38 snub nosed under his pillow.

He trained himself to sleep on his back with one hand behind his head under the pillow, gripping the revolver.

That's of course, when he's not with the ladies.


Tell me James do you still sleep with a gun under your pillow?

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Kommander wrote:
Tell me James do you still sleep with a gun under your pillow?


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No miss moneypenny, I do not; because I accidentally blew a .38 caliber hole in my head in the middle of the night while training myself to keep my hand on a firearm that is located near my head during periods while my higher mental functions are impaired by a deep dream state, either brought on from drunken carousing at the baccarat tables, repeated sexual exhaustion with many sexual partners, or the delirium of the many competing strains of syphilis and gonorrhea that I doubtlessly have contracted.

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I tried it, made my pillow lumpy. Now I just wear my holster to bed.


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Just started sleeping with my select fire AR next to me.

No problems as it is in the SAFE position not the SINGLE SHOT or FA position.

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liberty45 wrote:
Just started sleeping with my select fire AR next to me.

No problems as it is in the SAFE position not the SINGLE SHOT or FA position.


:? :? :? :?


either we are talking military.... in which case thanks for the service...

or we are talking about a NFA full auto... :evil:

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slaves civillians are not allowed to carry guns in most of Europe, so.. no I don't sleep with a gun under my pillow, but I do have a very sharp golok machete right next to my bed. :twisted: :roll:

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Well, I DO sleep with a 1911 under the pillow, on the other side of a king size bed.

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Boondock wrote:

He trained himself to sleep on his back with one hand behind his head under the pillow...

I stay in that position all night, my whole arm falls asleep.

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I think under the pillow might make it hard to find when and if you ever need it. I know if I leave my cell phone on the bed it's harder to find than on the nightstand of head board. But if I did feel the need to put a gun under the pillow it would definitely be a DAO of some variety.

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With my luck I'd pull a pillow on the burglar or go to scratch my ear some night and end up looking like I suicided.


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just reading this makes my blood boil for you! I would be beyond pissed off. That aside sleeping with a gun chambered under your pillow is hillbilly nonsense and all around stupid.

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Recall, in the OP, there were young kids in the house, as well.

Went to my dad's for the first time in a about a decade when I didn't have my young children with me. Never realized exactly how many loaded firearms he usually kept around the place those days - because they all went away when my kids were there. The pillow thing, well, I know it'd be a bad idea for me, nor would I appreciate it in any of my guests, I don't live in anything resembling an unsafe area.

Leaving a firearm around young children isn't even a debatable point.

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I just thinking, if I felt my life was in peril enough that I needed to sleep with a gun under my pillow I'd do a couple of things.
A. Move, if the neighborhood is that bad that there is a real fear of home invasions, move. No home is worth your life.
B. Harden the exterior of my home. Motion lights, cameras, harden doors.
C. Harden sleeping room. Install a motion sensor alarm in the hall, harden the door, keep it secured and locked, harden frame of door and bars on windows.
There are a few other things you can do but gun under the pillow is about the dumbest thing I can think to do.

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You'll shoot your brain out, kid.

Considering the safer ways you can rig to have a gun at the ready at your bed, it just seems silly to have it under your pillow in all but the most extreme cases. In any case, it was totally lame of a house guest to leave a loaded firearm within reach of the kids of the house. That right there is utter stupidity.

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squinty wrote:
I stay in that position all night, my whole arm falls asleep.

But then, if you play with yourself, it feels like someone else is doin' it. :wink:

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I prefer glocks, and don't have the stones to sleep with one under the pillow with one in the hole. ARs don't fit under pillows so there goes that. This next part is gonna be strange for you unless you're me.

10 years ago I decided that I would never wait for the last 20 cents worth of pre paid gas at the pump. I figured that by the time I was 65 I would have saved hundreds of hours of my life at the gas station, and thats worth it to me.

In the same vein, if I wake up to a dead sleep and immediately charge the bedroom door with the baton I keep open right beside me, i might win 50% of the time. The light in the hallway is always on, so im counting on an intruder's night blindness and my lack thereof. This is worth it to me to absolutely avoid the chance of my shooting a family member (or pet).

This is honesty, and possibly craziness.

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squinty wrote:
Boondock wrote:

He trained himself to sleep on his back with one hand behind his head under the pillow...

I stay in that position all night, my whole arm falls asleep.

Well, that would lower the chance of an ND/AD, now wouldn't it? :lol:
Besides, with your hand asleep, I'm sure that's a form of rejection you're used to by now... :roll: :lol:

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No I don't do it, however I have done similar things in the past (young and dumb), like many others before me I wouldn't recommend it.

My fear isn't someone breaking into the house and getting me. Yeah its possible, it just doesn't keep me up at night. However if it was to occur, my plan is to move to a safer part of the home, and then open the push button mini safe. If I was startled, jumping out of bed and running to one of the "safe" areas first, is better for me, rather than trying to fumble with a gun when my body and mind aren't quite awake yet, and I have had less time to process the situation. It will take me probably 12 seconds to get to my one of my areas, and get the firearm and to put it into service. Its a little bit of forced time to awaken, and to process the situation.

My real fear is coming home and get shot with my own gun by someone who just broke into my house, or an accidental discharge becuase a child found it or something. This is a larger concern for me, and yes I understand that all locks / safes can be defeated. But if this is your greatest fear, then I feel this is a prudent thing. There is no law, wife, or anything else making me lock up all my firearms. This is something I do becuase I feel its the right thing for me and my family.

If there was a full blown apocalypse going on, then I might change my plans, as I perceive the threats changing.


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WRT leaving a gun accessible in a home when you aren't physically present:

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Upon entering his home, the Marine noted that things were not in order. As he walked toward the back of his house, Maurice Skinner, 33, stepped out and hit the Marine in the face with the butt of a Mossberg shotgun belonging to the Marine. Skinner and Diego Everette, also 33, had forced entry through the back of the house and had discovered the shotgun under a bed.

Skinner ordered the Marine and his two friends onto the floor and demanded their wallets and cell phones. Everette and Skinner told the men they would kill them if they caused any problems, but reassuringly noted that they would not shoot the Marine who was a father.

Skinner demanded duct tape and rope with which to bind the three victims.

At one point, as Skinner looked away, the Marine resident reached for the shotgun and a struggle ensued. Everette entered the room and joined the brawl, hitting the Marine and his civilian guest with a crowbar. Skinner broke loose and pointed the shotgun at the Marine saying, "You are going to die now," and squeezed the trigger. However, while the Marine resident kept the gun loaded, as a safety practice he didn't keep a round chambered. Thus, the gun did not discharge, leaving Skinner perplexed.
http://patriotpost.us/alexander/2012/05 ... -justitia/



Please try to overlook the nasty political and racial invective in the article, and I apologize for linking to it here on ZS. I was just interested in the North Carolina case, quoted above, where home invaders used the homeowner's own weapon against him - not because they took it away, but because they got to it first. It ended as well as it could have for the victim, but only because the home invader was too dumb to rack the slide. I realize the home invaders could as easily have picked up a chef's knife in the kitchen, or baseball bat from the garage, or just used the crowbar they brought with them (I assume they used it to break in, instead of grabbing it from his toolroom) but I'd still rather not give an intruder easy access to a loaded firearm - the firearm is a more effective weapon than anything else in my home. I also might have preferred not to enter the house if I'd noticed it had been broken into, until police or other reinforcements (friend or neighbor) could help me secure it.

There is no 100% foolproof way to store a weapon in such a way that bad guys can't get to it, and I agree, you have to make some concessions to practicality, convenience and livability. But I think "loaded, under a bed" is an unsafe state in which to leave a weapon in your home, and a rule 5 violation. Just my opinion, but I'd recommend firearms be kept in one of the following conditions: unloaded, or locked up, or under a responsible person's direct control and observation.

I wouldn't want to lug my nightstand gun up and down from my second floor bedroom to my basement safe every time I left the house, but it would be a simple matter to find a more convenient way to secure the gun when you leave.

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the powder fire extinguisher lawfully to store anywhere, having let out it in a room, will be that it is not visible, there will be nothing to breathe, a pillow to use as a raspirator, the robber will see, the robber won't breathe. But you in the territory, you know where to go in the house, and the robber doesn't know.
The fire extinguisher wrap in a sheet, the mace will turn out.
In the morning when труповозка will take away the robber, you are waited by difficult house cleaning from a powder from the fire extinguisher.

enclose in a hand of the robber a knife, a chair, a cudgel, the crime tool that you didn't accuse of excess of a measure of defense


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