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I've carried spray in some form or another off and on pretty much since I was 18. Every reason because of stray/aggressive dogs, to because I used to deliver pizza in some sketchy parts of town.

A few things in my experience I've learned over the years.

-Buy a few sizes. Obviously, the bigger the can, the better the range and volume of spray it will be. However, if the can is annoying to always carry on you... you will be finding yourself carrying it less and less. I'd rather have a keychain spray that I will have with me 100% of the time, instead of a "cop sized" can that I only carry 50% of the time.

-Test your product. Buy at least one extra can and try it out somewhere outside. Especially if choosing a stream or gel type of product. The packaging may claim a "20ft" spray, but that doesn't always mean a 20ft "straight spray" if held and pointed at eye level.

For instance, I had a gel style spray I tested that claimed a 20ft maximum effective distance. I tested it, and if I held it pointed directly at eye level (how most people would instinctively shoot), it was only about 12ft before the spray dropped to chest level. I would have to arc the stream to be able to push it any farther than that.

Also make sure you note how thin or thick the stream/fog is for your particular brand. Foggers have a much limited range, and can be affected by heavy winds, but they are very hard to miss with within their range. Streams and gels can have a very thin stream that generally shoots farther, but is much harder to hit a small target with. The best technique is to fan back and forth slightly while doing it for maximum coverage.

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I used to carry it for awhile back in 06-07 but stopped carrying it.

I figure I may start carrying it again since I don't have a CCW and it's near impossible to get one here. (I live in LA County)

What do you guys carry if you do carry?


Kimber Pepper Blaster 2. I only carry one because I usually have a pistol as it's backup... but if I couldn't have a pistol, I might consider carrying two. Each one has 2 shots, 13' range, 1/10 of a second to get that far, and shoots a cone of the spray, not a stream.

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I recommend carrying it, as well as practicing using it in a closed space. You need to know how it will affect you.

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If you do use a fogger, especially in a longer burst, and especially indoors, do not move forward. It might create a cloud towards and around your target - depending on the viscosity of the chemical and the spray pattern of the can. :gonk:
Not a problem with the gel or foam types, of course.


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I occasionally carry Cold Steel Inferno, though now that I think of it I probably need to check the date on it as it's getting old.

Usually I take it for dog walks as I like having a non lethal option (as well a lethal one, concealed) since I don't necessarily want to shoot if I don't have to.

My big deterrent from frequently carrying it is that it gets hot here, I tend to leave it in the car a lot - lots of stories of cans exploding in hot cars. Generally it just stays at home now.


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Gel, tight stream, or foam for dogs. I usually have my kids with me so I can't risk the contamination from cone or fogger blowback. Sabre Red or Mace brands. IMHO, it's the best of the "completely within the law" force protection options.


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I was hoping for a video FAIL on that one and it didn't happen hahaha

I don't really see how that proves anything. Spray paint will melt through plastic and styrofoam as well... yeah it'll hurt getting sprayed in the face, but I don't think that makes it the "be all end all". But I dunno...

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So, carry a can of pepper spray and 5 cops on my belt? That guy was so drunk! Fun video!

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We like SABRE Red and have had good results with it.

However, something you might want to double check (it has been a while since I had to spend time in California) what the rules are. I seem to remember that California has some rules or laws about the size of the pepper spray containers that you can use or carry.





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Laager wrote:
We like SABRE Red and have had good results with it.

However, something you might want to double check (it has been a while since I had to spend time in California) what the rules are. I seem to remember that California has some rules or laws about the size of the pepper spray containers that you can use or carry.
[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHAOP4rgZPo[/YouTube]


Nothing over 2.5 oz in California, and you can't be an addict or a violent offender. IIRC, there are restrictions on CS (teargas) in the spray. Straight OC is legal.


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I have a pepper spray device that came with a Velcro attached strap for securing it in the users hand. I have used that strap to attach the OC to the interior handle of my vehicle so it is at the ready if someone approaches me while I'm in a driving or parked situation.

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ais4122 wrote:
I have a pepper spray device that came with a Velcro attached strap for securing it in the users hand. I have used that strap to attach the OC to the interior handle of my vehicle so it is at the ready if someone approaches me while I'm in a driving or parked situation.


What form of OC? Triggering off a fogger or cone without the ability to immediately vacate the area could be detrimental to your ability to operate a motor vehicle (i.e. see where you're going).


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It simply shoots a stream of OC. Point it at the threat and spray. It will not affect you unless you spraying it into the wind.

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So, carry a can of pepper spray and 5 cops on my belt? That guy was so drunk! Fun video!


Kind of the point; also, did you notice at least two of the cops caught it as well?

Just realize OC is not a 100% stopper in real world conditions and there is always a risk of collateral damage, including yourself.

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I live in Australia. Spray is legal in one of our states (Western Australia) but not the others.

With a rise in attacks, a Victorian libertarian senator suggested allowing it.

The Victorian Police response "hell no, criminals might use it" - meanwhile there is a shooting each week with illegal semi auto pistols. There is no palm large enough to give the face palm required to the Victorian Police...

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I carry a couple. One in my car (large OC can) and a small one in person.

My small can is half depleted. A crackhead got the good of it a few months ago. He was just getting "in position" to mug me and I gave him a bad surprise. He screamed his life out.


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TheWarriorMax wrote:
I live in Australia. Spray is legal in one of our states (Western Australia) but not the others.

With a rise in attacks, a Victorian libertarian senator suggested allowing it.

The Victorian Police response "hell no, criminals might use it" - meanwhile there is a shooting each week with illegal semi auto pistols. There is no palm large enough to give the face palm required to the Victorian Police...


In the UK, pepper spray is the same as a firearm. However, there is a product (called "Stoppa" I think) which is a safe, inert and non-toxic (so it doesn't fall afoul of the laws about pepper spray) red dye, for you to mark your attacker for future identification.

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ais4122 wrote:
I have a pepper spray device that came with a Velcro attached strap for securing it in the users hand. I have used that strap to attach the OC to the interior handle of my vehicle so it is at the ready if someone approaches me while I'm in a driving or parked situation.


What form of OC? Triggering off a fogger or cone without the ability to immediately vacate the area could be detrimental to your ability to operate a motor vehicle (i.e. see where you're going).


It's probably the same one I have in my car.
Mace jogger model. Stream type. It's also strapped to one of my handles. I like the trigger of Mace.

Depends on the occasion or what I'm wearing, I either carry a Mace mini or a Sabre Red.

I like the formulation of the Sabre Red though.
I test my sprays on myself. Getting even just a whiff of the Sabre Red is highly irritating and causes me to cough.

I want to try the Fox Labs and compare it.

I have the large gel type at home.

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I carry the stream type as well. From my test firing it takes a lot more aim, but I like the idea that it won't end up getting me about as bad as my attacker.

I don't know about the human sprays, but I know people who have fired off bear spray and it sounds like usually everyone in the area gets at least some of it. :lol: That's outdoors as well, inside of a vehicle and it would probaly be game over for everyone. On the positive side if say someone was in the back seat hitting you and/or choking you and you can't aim at them the traditional fogger would actually be a better choice.

I got the Sabre Red with the push-up safety over the trigger. I had one of the ones where the trigger gets pushed over to the side, but I didn't like it because it seemed to get pushed into the fire position too easily. I carry my pepper spray in my pocket though, and maybe that wouldn't be a problem with a belt pouch.


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What's the suggestion on OC spray and asthmatics?
I carry my pistol and belt knife everyday but forgo OC spray because my wife has asthma, I worry about her catching it into her lungs and it sending her into an attack. I fear that this would make the situation really more difficult as I would either be meeting force with force while she's gasping for breath or trying to run away with her gasping for breath (obviously dragging her with me).


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What's the suggestion on OC spray and asthmatics?
I carry my pistol and belt knife everyday but forgo OC spray because my wife has asthma, I worry about her catching it into her lungs and it sending her into an attack. I fear that this would make the situation really more difficult as I would either be meeting force with force while she's gasping for breath or trying to run away with her gasping for breath (obviously dragging her with me).



Apparently the "suggestion" would be to use it anyway and let her gag, or don't use it.

It's up to you and your wife to decide.

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What's the suggestion on OC spray and asthmatics?
I carry my pistol and belt knife everyday but forgo OC spray because my wife has asthma, I worry about her catching it into her lungs and it sending her into an attack. I fear that this would make the situation really more difficult as I would either be meeting force with force while she's gasping for breath or trying to run away with her gasping for breath (obviously dragging her with me).


Gel and foam forms don't aerosolize like cone and fogger OC does. You don't get the same respiratory effects as the aerosolized forms, so it's safer to use around sensitive people. But, they will still blind an assailant. Kinda stings too (7 or 8 out of 10), but I wouldn't count on the pain to make much of a difference.

I used to carry a 2 oz can of pepper gel for dog protection when my kids were in a stroller. I had to pull the canister a couple of times, but never had to hose Fido with it. Usually the appearance of the can out of the stroller's drink holder encouraged people to get their dogs back under control.


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