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 Post subject: The day I used my IFAK.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:21 pm 
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Hello. Its been a long while since I post here but I recently was involved in a situation that demanded the first serious use of my IFAK.

I have been carrying my IFAK since 2 years ago, violent protests and even a harsher government crackdown went around in my country. 2 years later things haven't gotten much better.

I was just finished attending class at my university and I was having small talk with some friends in front of my building when we suddenly saw a lot of people running, people and security personel, yelling "Take him down!". I assumed It was a thief, since it has become quite common that armed or unarmed thiefs commit robberies inside the campus. i rana bit to the nearby street to se if the guy had been caught when I suddenly heard a shot fired.

Slammed myself into the ground almost instantly, dazzled. I saw the guy running at quick pace away while tucking away a gun, and seconds later I heard screaming to my left. I turned by head and saw somebody laying on the floor, but I couldn't see him whole; what It was certain is that he was hit.

I stood up and runned across the street. A friend told me "He is going that way!" and ran in the direction of the shooter, which by now was being chased by a large angry crowd. I ignored him and got to the wounded guy. he was laying on his side on a small pool of very bright blood. "He was shot in the head" somebody said.

My IFAK is very compact. I carry one (1) Israeli Emergency Bandage (the famous compression bandage), One (1) Israeli combat dressing, a couple of latex gloves and trauma shears.

A friend of the wounded guy was pressing against the wound. He was conscicous and speaking to us. i still don't know how, tho this moment, how I calmly put myself the gloves, took the Israeli Combat dressing, and approached his head. The guy who was pressing against the wound told me that he would remove his hands for me to see.

When he removed his hands I saw a large gushing wound. Lots of bright red blood was spilling from it, but nothing else. I pressed quickly with the sponge part of the dressing, and started wrapping both ends of the dressing around his head tightly, securing it with a knot. I removed my gloves, and sat there asking him if he could feel his body. Which he did, and was in noticeable pain.

A few minutes later (really don't know how many), an ambulance from the University Volunteer firemen corps arrived, asked about the wound, and quickly put him on some kind of board, put straps around him, lifted him up on a stretcher, and took him away to the local university hospital.

When It all was over, I just sat there on the floor. I panicked. I started shaking. Don't know why.

Long story short, the bullet didn't entered his skull, just grazed him. Apparently, he ducked on the last moment when the thug shot. He had some minor skull surface damage but nothing else.

The thug was caught and beaten to death, while trying to exit campus. By the moment police arrived and threw him in the back of a squad truck, there was very little left of him, and apparently was DOA when they reached a public hospital* (They didn't take him to the local university hospital I guess for security reasons). He had given his handgun (later found out to be a revolver, per witness reports) to an accomplice, who fled in a motorcicle, before being caught.

That happened on Wednesday. I am still thinking about it.


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Good job. Very very good job. You took decisive action and your calm demeanor probably also went a long way to help calm the victim. Your friend, who ran toward a shooter, is also a very good guy.

And I don't think "panic" is the right word. It probably was the effects of adrenaline. I think you did great!


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Well done, and thank you for your sharing the story.

A would agree, the shaking was likely not panic as much as adrenaline or possibly mild shock and once you were done treating the wounded guy you were able to truly take in what was going on rather than act so your body started to react to the situation that your mind had been suppressing to allow you to act. That is a very healthy and normal reaction, not having it is when you should worry.

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"The thug was caught and beaten to death, while trying to exit campus. " Rough crowd. I take it the cops are seen as corrupt/worthless?

If I may ask - what is your country? Argentina? Venezuela?

Good thing you had the skills, equipment and the willingness to help - not many folks do. Good an ya!

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TacAir wrote:
"The thug was caught and beaten to death, while trying to exit campus. " Rough crowd. I take it the cops are seen as corrupt/worthless?

If I may ask - what is your country? Argentina? Venezuela?

Good thing you had the skills, equipment and the willingness to help - not many folks do. Good an ya!


Venezuela.

Cops are seen like that, corrupt and worthless. Per a very stupid law, citing that public universities are "autonomous" even in security, police is not allowed inside campus. So that leaves us with (also corrupt) internal security which is unarmed too.

Where the guy was beaten, there is usually a couple of police officers standing guard. When they saw the crowd, they fled, not wanting the responsibility of controlling the crowd or making the arrest. The cops that arrived later where a different kind of police, tougher, better trained, and feared. Yes, recently its quite common that thugs, either murderers or thiefs, whenever they are captured by people, they are beaten wildy and often killed. A couple of innocent people have fallen prey to this street justice, even.

This crowd was mostly composed of students and some university workers. Recently campus has been quite insecure and people are fed up. This shooting made people mad enough to chase an armed thug with intent to kill him, and well... succeeded.


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ineffableone wrote:
Well done, and thank you for your sharing the story.

A would agree, the shaking was likely not panic as much as adrenaline or possibly mild shock and once you were done treating the wounded guy you were able to truly take in what was going on rather than act so your body started to react to the situation that your mind had been suppressing to allow you to act. That is a very healthy and normal reaction, not having it is when you should worry.


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Good job. Very very good job. You took decisive action and your calm demeanor probably also went a long way to help calm the victim. Your friend, who ran toward a shooter, is also a very good guy.

And I don't think "panic" is the right word. It probably was the effects of adrenaline. I think you did great!


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Thank you for sharing! I wish the media would see this as one of the many reasons that we prep: to help others

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It sounds like you did exactly what needed to be done man. The right place, the right time, with the right tool.

You should be proud of this. Good job!

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My guess is you started shaking because you were still amped on adrenaline and had nothing further to do. No need to run, you fought the good fight in treating the victim. But that fight was over and you had nothing further to do, with all those brain chemicals still bubbling in you. Why wouldn't you shake? 99% of us would. Panic.... you waited to panic until you had time to do so. We can't expect any more of ourselves!

The key now, days later, is you. It's natural to reflect on what happened. Just be aware (not panicked, just aware,) of the signs of post-traumatic stress and stay as brave as you were to get yourself help if you feel like you need it. ( http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/p ... ndex.shtml ) But you don't sound like you're experiencing that yet....

Thanks for sharing your experience with us!


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Great, great job! You did very well indeed.

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LaughingVulcan wrote:
My guess is you started shaking because you were still amped on adrenaline and had nothing further to do. No need to run, you fought the good fight in treating the victim. But that fight was over and you had nothing further to do, with all those brain chemicals still bubbling in you. Why wouldn't you shake? 99% of us would. Panic.... you waited to panic until you had time to do so. We can't expect any more of ourselves!

The key now, days later, is you. It's natural to reflect on what happened. Just be aware (not panicked, just aware,) of the signs of post-traumatic stress and stay as brave as you were to get yourself help if you feel like you need it. ( http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/p ... ndex.shtml ) But you don't sound like you're experiencing that yet....

Thanks for sharing your experience with us!



Thank you for your words. I've been a long time away. I felt strange for about a week but then it all went away. I didn't show any of those signs. About 3 weeks ago I got to see personally the guy who I helped and I felt some sense of peace when he showed me his already healed head wound.

here we live in constant stress and alertness because of crime and other bad stuff, so you grow accustomed to it. However seeing this kind of stuff first hand feels like a slap to one's face

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Nice work, and thank you for sharing your story. I have been reading the news almost daily on what is going on in your home land. Scary stuff, but i like to know more than what the news is reporting on. Is it worse than they say?

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Ravenwolfen wrote:
Nice work, and thank you for sharing your story. I have been reading the news almost daily on what is going on in your home land. Scary stuff, but i like to know more than what the news is reporting on. Is it worse than they say?


Well, its quite grim. Media sometimes exagerate, sometimes underestimates, and sometimes it uses oficial government information that is mostly unreliable. But, lets put it this way: approximately 20.000 murders per year (population of 33 million, give or take), thugs openly and constantly use grenades and automatic rifles to perpetrate murders, robberies and kidnappings in a country were the good law abbiding citizen just CANT have even a pistol/handgun without paying omninous bribes, militarized security in a very bad way, shortages of everything up to and including food, toilet papers or medical supplies and the growing presence of diseases such as Diphteria.

Right now, my water supply has been cut because of pumping failures (happens routinely and can last up to a week) and when city water finally comes, it can be clean but full of chlorine (best case) or it can get home reeking of sulfur and with a brownish color. We have 3 water tanks (two 3000L reserves and a 30.000L main tank) with a good pump and that's what we use. And we are privileged, some people don't have that luxury.

Yesterday I was awaken by a shootout in my street. I never knew what happened, but I suspect that it was a home invasion, and that has become commonplace, every single day. Usualy they end up in murders or complete home robberies, since well, as I said, most citizens are unarmed, in the mental and physical way.

yes, its that bad, and it getting worse. Maybe one of this days i wont be able to even write here if government decides to cut off free access to internet.


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