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Post by Lordiego » Fri May 16, 2008 9:56 am

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I'd like a link to a site where I can purchase a new-release for $6.

Otherwise I call bs.
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Re: Rant About Bad Choices

Post by gelgoog » Fri May 16, 2008 11:52 am

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Marty Banks - DHPD wrote: Point is, survival isn't everything. Particularly if you don't live up to your values in doing so. In the end it's a personal choice and other's opinions don't amount to a hill of beans when it comes to acting on your own values.
thank you, im glad you mentioned that as I was trying to get that point through in another survival thread. At what point does just surviving become worthless.

on a side note, I want to know what american forces were using british Abbot self propelled artillery. there are at least 2-3 shots of it( particularily the one where the monster stomps on the vehicle before they board the helicopter by the bridge). its clearly an abbot and something you'd never see with the US military.

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Re: Rant About Bad Choices

Post by animalu » Fri May 16, 2008 7:56 pm

gelgoog wrote:At what point does just surviving become worthless.
Never.

In the heat of the moment, your core principles or emotional ties may influence your risk aversion (lowering it). I can understand that. S/he is EVERYTHING (another sign of certain emotional problems), s/he has to be saved. Go ahead, risk your life. Hell, I may even fall myself into that crack.

But beginning to question the "worth of survival".. that's a different can of worms. If your biological self is functional, your mental self has a chance to heal. But if your biological self is non-functional, the mental self never gets a chance to heal. It's completely normal to think your world ended with the demise of certain things or persons (see teen angst, a perfect example), but that's supposed to be a stage in the mental and emotional healing, not the end result.

My reptile brain tells me it's always good to just survive, given the alternative.

As for Cloverfield, I really liked it. I would've evacuated, I'm not the lets-rush-into-the-unknown(filled with horrible monsters, too)-because-i-can't-shatter-my-image-of-self type. Yeah I'd cry and kick and whatever, but in the end, I'll be alive. I'd expect her to do the same, damnit. I'd hate it if my girlfriend did something as stupid as risking her life in such circumstances. There's merit in understanding a shitty situation.
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Post by zombie_mike » Sat May 17, 2008 1:53 am

Lordiego wrote:
zombie_mike wrote:
I'd like a link to a site where I can purchase a new-release for $6.

Otherwise I call bs.
www.Amazon.com (wait a few days after it comes out, click on "Buy it Used")

www.Google.com (click on shopping, sort by lowest price)
So you are saying that I have to wait until it's no longer a new release? What's the point, then?
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Post by Meranath » Sat May 17, 2008 9:41 pm

I'd have a really good answer if I hadn't spent the whole movie staring at my shoes trying not to barf. Shakeycam = bad.

The lesson I learned was not to live anywhere near New York. Cloverfield, Godzilla, Ghostbusters... no thanks.

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Post by gelgoog » Sat May 17, 2008 11:24 pm

what I find odd is that they were at an apartment when this started, and no one thought to gather any basic supplies before taking off into the middle of the city. nor did they ever attempt to arm themselves after encountering the wolf sized critters. then again they were new yorkers..... :wink:

so is the sequel going to be Cloverfield 2: the legend of curley's gold?

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Post by animalu » Sun May 18, 2008 11:56 am

gelgoog wrote:nor did they ever attempt to arm themselves
Very good point. Most of the time, when I'm watching violent movies, I'm thinking "grab something to fight back with, anything". Unfortunately, it doesn't happen all that often.
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Post by gelgoog » Sun May 18, 2008 1:11 pm

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gelgoog wrote:nor did they ever attempt to arm themselves
Very good point. Most of the time, when I'm watching violent movies, I'm thinking "grab something to fight back with, anything". Unfortunately, it doesn't happen all that often.
well if you notice the guy had a crowbar at some point I believe after they got attacked in the subway, so he uses it to open a vending machine then tosses it when leaving the safety of that room :? its like hellooo!! just attacked 5 minutes ago where a crowbar would come in handy in the future.

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Post by Grace » Sun May 18, 2008 5:16 pm

I always thought a big part of the movie is that they're NOT prepared, and NOT in a survival state of mind. I mean, as soon as the lights flicker and the whole building shakes, they run to the roof. I'd criticize their choices, but not the way they were written or that they were written at all.
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Post by MICKPORNO » Mon May 19, 2008 4:21 pm

[quote="zombie_mike]
I'd like a link to a site where I can purchase a new-release for $6.

Otherwise I call bs.[/quote]

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Post by Maxxtactix » Mon May 19, 2008 5:22 pm

So much knocking of the protagonist.. He managed to get across the city and save the girl he loved. Many of us would do the same. I did think he was less than prepared and after the subway incident, I thought he was negligent to not have a weapon in hand at all times. But, was I the only person who thought the helicopter pilots route out of the city was poorly planned? I mean come on, dude made it to the choppa, there was no reason they shouldn't have survived. The pilot flew right over the carnage. He had 360 degrees of escape and he chose the one degree that traveled right over the monster. :x
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Post by zombie_mike » Mon May 19, 2008 7:16 pm

Maxxtactix wrote:So much knocking of the protagonist.. He managed to get across the city and save the girl he loved. Many of us would do the same. I did think he was less than prepared and after the subway incident, I thought he was negligent to not have a weapon in hand at all times. But, was I the only person who thought the helicopter pilots route out of the city was poorly planned? I mean come on, dude made it to the choppa, there was no reason they shouldn't have survived. The pilot flew right over the carnage. He had 360 degrees of escape and he chose the one degree that traveled right over the monster. :x

I agree about the heli route, but i completely disagree with the protag not needing a kick in the ass.
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Post by Hanuman110 » Mon May 19, 2008 9:44 pm

While I agree with most of the assessments of the characters behavior, I think we all need to understand that most of us are waaaaay more informed about how to handle emergency situations than your average city living twentysomethings. Consider how many people around you at work, school, wherever are prepared to handle the power going out for an hour let alone something on the scale of a major disaster. How many of your coworkers look at you funny if you happen to have a flashlight or a knife handy just about all the time?

I'll give you an example from my local area. This is something that seems to happen every couple years when the semesters about to end for the summer and it almost always goes down the same way. A couple weeks ago, about 20 (mostly)teenage townies jumped a college student in my town. The fight was apparently an example of "When keeping it real, goes wrong" and the guy that got jumped happened to be on the college basketball team so his teammates and buddies were anxious to get some payback. The college I go to is separated from the town by railroad tracks and about an hour after the fight there were about 50 or so students standing on the tracks facing down local law enforcement who weren't permitting them to cross. The town kids responsible for starting the fight were standing on the town side of the tracks agitating the situation but the local cops were more concerned about preventing more violence than dealing with what had already happened. Fortunately they were able to get the students to disband and go back onto campus and they called in county and state police for backup, but the situation was building to the boiling point.

I live about 3 miles from campus so I was way out of the danger zone but several of the girls from my nursing classes live on campus and were right in the middle of things. As soon as I found out what was going on, I called them and told them to not leave their dorm that evening and to call me if they needed anything. Well all that I accomplished was to stir their curiosity and they decided to go for a walk. When the got to the little grassy area near the dorm they discovered about 100 people standing around in groups looking very agitated. According to them, suddenly people started fighting, screaming and everyone started running. They automatically started running along with the group until they realized they had no idea why they were running. :roll: At that point they got back to the dorm and the RD was in the process of putting the dorm on lockdown. The mini-riot that they narrowly avoided ended with several people being peppersprayed, a couple shotgun blasts being fired into the air and the use of K9 units before it was dispersed. Fortunately nothing else happened after that night. In the past these incidents take several days to die down.

When I talked to my friends the next day they told me everything that had happened and of course thought the whole episode was funny and exciting, which goes to show you the typical attitude of your average twentysomethings these days. And the two girls I'm referring to are generally very level headed and responsible people and are rather intelligent. They acted like I hurt their feelings when I chewed them out for their stupidity even though they admitted they should've known better.

I guess that was my way round about, ranting way of saying that I thought the movie did a good job of portraying urban people behaving like urban people and the movie was specifically about the perspective of a group of average city folks instead of the typical scientist or military perspective normally shown in giant monster movies.
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Post by bgnad » Mon May 19, 2008 11:20 pm

Apollo-11 wrote:The answer is Get Out Of Dodge. Or Manhattan, in this case. Just being in a city of that size, on a normal day WITHOUT the Cloverfield monster gives me the heebie jeebies.
While I have, on occasion, visited the place with some pleasure, by and large, I've always thought that "Manhattan Island" should be spelled

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And the high-rise buildings.
And the subway tunnels under the river.
And the Automotive tunnels under the river...
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Lets see if I recall correctly...

4 bad guys with blasts to shut down the bridges..... 12 more will knock out the electricity (oops! that gets the subways) and fresh water.

<Shudders again!> :(
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Post by Woods Walker » Tue May 20, 2008 12:23 am

I just saw the movie last weekend. First off I didn’t come away with the feeling that the monster was a baby anything as the movie producers claimed. Just a big crazy monster. The giant lice aka small monsters were taken right from the original Godzilla if memory serves me correct. In any case seeing how this is a what would you do in a Cloverfield situation I would have to say Bugout from the city. I would not follow some fool looking to reunite with the women that only hours ago stated he was dumping for a job in Japan.

If I was the fool looking to hook up I would be more forceful with my friends. There is no way I would want them on my personal suicide mission. The key word is bugout. Run away. Now the Military is forced to deal with the critter and like most movies did a poor job. I can only guess they won but who knows. After all the darn movie was not talking. Why didn’t they use bigger bombs? Or better yet if that for some reason failed why not just burn the thing. Even if fire proof it must breath. A few gulps of burning Napalm sure has a way to cook the lungs. But no only a few tanks and some guys with guns showed but. Ok I did see a bombing run but no real follow-up unless more happened off camera. But as I stated the movie was strangely closed lipped on this. I did like the personal camera perspective used by the movie. A first in a giant city crushing monster attack film to my knowledge.

Hay anyone knows the reason why that women who got a "We have a bite" was taken out back behind the shed (in the field hospital) and shot. I was hoping for maybe a little zombie infection from a giant lice bite but like other loose ends in the film we may never know.
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Post by Hanuman110 » Tue May 20, 2008 1:40 am

Woods Walker wrote:Hay anyone knows the reason why that women who got a "We have a bite" was taken out back behind the shed (in the field hospital) and shot. I was hoping for maybe a little zombie infection from a giant lice bite but like other loose ends in the film we may never know.
She wasn't shot. She exploded from the bite. As they were being led through the aid station you got a glimpse of a dead "lice" monster in a containment box and an exploded bite victim in another containment box. Now, just dont ask me why bite victims exploded. My theory is because that's freakier than just falling over dead. :wink:
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Post by Valekhai » Tue May 20, 2008 9:03 am

Woods Walker wrote:I just saw the movie last weekend. First off I didn’t come away with the feeling that the monster was a baby anything as the movie producers claimed.
I watched the extra on the DVD where this was mentioned. I didn't take it to mean that it was actually a baby, just that that was how the staff was approaching it to determine how it should move and react, etc.
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Post by AlphaMMA » Tue May 20, 2008 3:16 pm

I don't normally get motion sickness. I love roller coasters and can spin in circles forever. I work miles out at sea where you can't see the land and there is a 20+ foot swell sometimes. I stare at computer screens for 5+ hours at night. I got such a headache from that movie that I almost threw up. Horrible choice in filmstyle, IMO. Unique, but stupid.

As I stand right now with my own preps, I have a 72 hour kit and no firearms. Firearms would be huge to have. IF I was stupid enough to go against the military's recommendation to get the hell out, I would have picked up a firearm during one of the firefights. Or, at least asked a soldier if he could spare a gun-even an M9. If TSHTF, who knows what might happen (I'm sure giving out rifles to civilians is not SOP).

I have seen enough horror/monster flicks that I know if you get bit, stay the fuck away from me or I'll end you right now. Walk the other way. I'm sorry it had to end that way.
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Post by Woods Walker » Tue May 20, 2008 9:24 pm

Hanuman110 wrote:
Woods Walker wrote:Hay anyone knows the reason why that women who got a "We have a bite" was taken out back behind the shed (in the field hospital) and shot. I was hoping for maybe a little zombie infection from a giant lice bite but like other loose ends in the film we may never know.
She wasn't shot. She exploded from the bite. As they were being led through the aid station you got a glimpse of a dead "lice" monster in a containment box and an exploded bite victim in another containment box. Now, just dont ask me why bite victims exploded. My theory is because that's freakier than just falling over dead. :wink:
Shit. I didn’t make the connection between the dead lice and exploded human carcass. Maybe I was blinded by an intense desire to see a lice bite zombie outbreak.
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Post by Hanuman110 » Tue May 20, 2008 11:59 pm

Woods Walker wrote:
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Woods Walker wrote:Hay anyone knows the reason why that women who got a "We have a bite" was taken out back behind the shed (in the field hospital) and shot. I was hoping for maybe a little zombie infection from a giant lice bite but like other loose ends in the film we may never know.
She wasn't shot. She exploded from the bite. As they were being led through the aid station you got a glimpse of a dead "lice" monster in a containment box and an exploded bite victim in another containment box. Now, just dont ask me why bite victims exploded. My theory is because that's freakier than just falling over dead. :wink:
Shit. I didn’t make the connection between the dead lice and exploded human carcass. Maybe I was blinded by an intense desire to see a lice bite zombie outbreak.
When the movie was in production I would anxiously read any news I could find about it that wasn't a blatant spoiler. One report that had a couple snapshots of a couple scenes showed ashen looking people staggering down the street and several reports talked like they may be zombies. So I was a little disappointed when they ended up just being "shellshocked" disaster victims in the movie. I guess if you cant have zombies, exploding people is the next best thing. :lol:
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Post by Apollo-11 » Wed May 21, 2008 9:42 am

Hanuman110 wrote:...I think we all need to understand that most of us are waaaaay more informed about how to handle emergency situations than your average city living twentysomethings.
+1. Well spoken.

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Post by harleytrypp » Wed May 21, 2008 12:25 pm

AlphaMMA wrote:Horrible choice in filmstyle, IMO. Unique, but stupid.
Not "Unique", see Blair Witch Project, also nausiating shakey hand held, psudo-documentary. But yes, stupid. I would have enjoyed the movie much mor with a more traditional cinimatic style.
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Post by Blood_Moon » Thu May 22, 2008 5:50 am

I just saw this movie and thought that it was okay. A quick comment about the explodey people... I got the impression from the way that they isolated her that it wasn't just a messy affair, but a real threat. So I personally came to the conclusion that it was more of an aliens situation, where the host pops and suddenly we have small critter(s) crawling out... but that is just my thoughts on the thing.

And the portrayal of realistic twentysomethings in a crazy situation like this... just one thing that I felt was missing, and it is something that several people have mentioned: WEAPONS!! Im my experience with people, it doesn't matter what kind of a pacifist you are, when TSHTF, people find comfort in having a weapon, even if it is a short length of pipe, they will grab something and cling to it like a 3 year old and their favorite blankey!!! I could see them thinking it was futile with the big monster, but as soon as the overgrown lice came onto the scene, they would have grabbed something!
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