So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

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1. Dagger-dangerous in close but no defense ability
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17%
2. Crossbow- effective but slow, standard bows are a no go
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33%
3.Small Polearm- extends reach but shorter than std polearm
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25%
4. Longsword- can block and attack but lack of strength to use eff
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5. Axe- amplifies power but shortens already short range
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8%
6. Spear- extends range, less than std human range
1
8%
7.Morning star- effective close range, no defense
1
8%
 
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So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by The Twizzler » Tue May 09, 2017 9:12 pm

So your a Hobbit and you have been forcibly enlisted in a war band that will have to fight gnomes, trolls, orcs, elves, and men. I am talking about your standard Tolkien style. You are not a race well built for war but have no choice but to engage in it against physically superior races. So if your enlisted and have access to standard European medieval arms what will you chose?
Negatives
1. Shortness- let's say less than 4 feet tall
2. Weakness- half the strength of men
3. Lack of reach- short arms
4. All weapons will have to be appropriately downsized for your needs
5. As almost all enemies will be taller and stronger your head will be a primary target
6. Helmets aren't really an option as you have to always look up at an enemy.
Positives-
1.If you use a heater shield you pretty much defend your whole body even if it is heavy, will wear you down
2. You might be able to get close and do damage to legs and gentlemen bits depending on armor of the enemy
3. You are a smaller target and lighter. This means you are quieter and have a sneakiness advantage.
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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by flybynight » Tue May 09, 2017 9:19 pm

Sting What else? :wink:

edit to add... There are no gnomes in middle earth and Hobbits never ever fought elves.
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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by JeeperCreeper » Tue May 09, 2017 9:24 pm

Crossbow. Getting in close would be useless in 1 on 1 combat. Maybe stealth attacks would work with a dagger, but Tolkien always had full frontal combat. Anything else would require too much luck.

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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by Towanda » Tue May 09, 2017 9:35 pm

There's no short sword option.
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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by The Twizzler » Tue May 09, 2017 9:40 pm

Well your enlisted so definitely not a VIP.
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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by woodsghost » Tue May 09, 2017 9:47 pm

This is way more DnD than Tolkien.

There are some YouTube channels that tackle this kind of stuff and have some interesting perspectives.

I'd go with a crossbow, short (real) falchion, shield, and (real) war hammer.

Use a windlass to keep my crossbow up to normal power.

And hey, I only take a -2 to Strength, not a full "half power." ;)

Oh, and please check out Scholagladiatoria. Some other good channels out there too.

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And the spear, but wielded with a counter balance so I can use it kinda like a sword.
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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by flybynight » Tue May 09, 2017 9:52 pm

Towanda wrote:There's no short sword option.
Men size daggers ( poniards) Were short sword size for Hobbits. And sting was a first age weapon made in gondolin by elves to fight orcs. It is more deadly to them and glows blue in their presence so PLUS PLUS
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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by Towanda » Tue May 09, 2017 10:53 pm

So a regular short sword would be longsword size for a hobbit.
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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by fatty21 » Wed May 10, 2017 12:46 am

Small = concealable to me.

Give me a crossbow, im pitching a tent.

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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by flybynight » Wed May 10, 2017 4:06 am

Towanda wrote:So a regular short sword would be longsword size for a hobbit.
yep. But in the story several times it's mentioned the large daggers were like swords to the Hobbits.

"hobbits are between two and four feet (0.61–1.22 m) tall, the average height being three feet six inches (107 cm). They dress in bright colours, favouring yellow and green. Nowadays (according to Tolkien's fiction), they are usually shy, but are nevertheless capable of great courage and amazing feats under the proper circumstances. They are adept with slings and throwing stones. For the most part, they cannot grow beards, but a few of the race of Stoor can. Their feet are covered with curly hair (usually brown, as is the hair on their heads) with leathery soles, so most hobbits hardly ever wear shoes. The race's average life expectancy is 100 years. "

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Post by majorhavoc » Wed May 10, 2017 11:18 am

I choose Pikachu.

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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by SCBrian » Wed May 10, 2017 2:19 pm

Spear.
Gives reach to move vulnerable parts of armor. Neck, eyes, joints. Properly wielded can be used in close combat or at spears length. Haft can be planted to defend against a charge. And the small size of a hobbit + reach of the spear will make it difficult to hit.

Can my Hobbit be trained to use the spear like a pole vault for a leaping attack? :clownshoes:
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Post by Close_enough » Wed May 10, 2017 3:58 pm

The Twizzler wrote:So your a Hobbit and you have been forcibly enlisted in a war band that will have to fight gnomes, trolls, orcs, elves, and men. I am talking about your standard Tolkien style. You are not a race well built for war but have no choice but to engage in it against physically superior races. So if your enlisted and have access to standard European medieval arms what will you chose?
Negatives
1. Shortness- let's say less than 4 feet tall
2. Weakness- half the strength of men
3. Lack of reach- short arms
4. All weapons will have to be appropriately downsized for your needs
5. As almost all enemies will be taller and stronger your head will be a primary target
6. Helmets aren't really an option as you have to always look up at an enemy.
Positives-
1.If you use a heater shield you pretty much defend your whole body even if it is heavy, will wear you down
2. You might be able to get close and do damage to legs and gentlemen bits depending on armor of the enemy
3. You are a smaller target and lighter. This means you are quieter and have a sneakiness advantage.
You're short, weaker, lighter, slower running, and unprotected on top. You're going to be at a massive disadvantage at melee weapon range (6-8 ft). You can't outrun an attacker, and can be easily shoved, thrown, or kneed and sent tumbling at grappling distance. The only thing you have going for you is stealth. That leaves distance weapons, of which the only one is the crossbow.

EDIT: Most crossbowmen and archers carried a Pavise (self supporting shield) to sit behind while they reloaded. Instant hunting blind for picking off officers

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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by The Twizzler » Wed May 10, 2017 6:09 pm

I went with a mace and shield. Unlike an axe, a whiff won't swing me around off balance leaving me open. I can't out run anyone anyways, I cant out reach them, so I am gonna stand here and let you come to me taking the hit on the shield (or dodging if possible) and look for weakpoints. Nothing says get off me me bro... like a morning star.
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Also, if the enemy has shields the cross bow is kind of useless.
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Post by mace » Wed May 10, 2017 7:43 pm

A glave of course as since you short as this opens up shots to the femoral artery, if you team up with some one bigger they will be blocking high while you strike low. Works really great as part of a shield wall.

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Post by Stercutus » Fri May 12, 2017 10:22 am

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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by Mannlicher » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:00 pm

Hobbits used bows to good advantage in the Scouring of the Shire. Why would your weapon choice not allow that? Seems to be, that's the best 'equalizer'

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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by The Twizzler » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:37 pm

Because an actual European bow capable of killing someone ( and not say a movie prop or modern compound bow) would have to have a draw length longer then their arms are capable of reaching, and/or a draw weight too heavy to pull by a 3 foot tall creature with half the strength of men. If it makes it easier just picture a 5 -8 year old child with an adult's brain. That's what you have to work with.
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Post by flybynight » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:54 pm

The Twizzler wrote:Because an actual European bow capable of killing someone ( and not say a movie prop or modern compound bow) would have to have a draw length longer then their arms are capable of reaching, and/or a draw weight too heavy to pull by a 3 foot tall creature with half the strength of men. If it makes it easier just picture a 5 -8 year old child with an adult's brain. That's what you have to work with.
Not entirely correct. Maybe four ft was tall for a Halfling. ( Merry and Pippen drank from the Entdraught while with Treebeard so grew to large size for Hobbits.) But if not as strong as men they were adult and had adult muscles not undeveloped children's muscles. Numerous mentions in the book of Hobbits Hunting ( which would minimum be a 40# bow) Hikes or forced marches of great distances and in battle they accounted for themselves very well. With well aimed and delivered blows with their swords.
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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by LowKey » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:03 pm

The Twizzler wrote:Unlike an axe, a whiff won't swing me around off balance leaving me open.
Obviously you've never swing an actual battle axe.
The heads aren't that heavy, less weigh in fact than your mace.
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Post by LowKey » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:11 pm

The Twizzler wrote:Because an actual European bow capable of killing someone ( and not say a movie prop or modern compound bow) would have to have a draw length longer then their arms are capable of reaching, and/or a draw weight too heavy to pull by a 3 foot tall creature with half the strength of men. If it makes it easier just picture a 5 -8 year old child with an adult's brain. That's what you have to work with.
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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by The Twizzler » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:42 am

Remember I said European bows, not African, Asian, or American, I also said they were hobbits not small humans. Those African pigmys are much stronger than a Hobbit would be. I would like to point out those pigmy bows are for small game hunting not anywhere near armored human opponents, lions, tigers, much less orcs.
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Re: So you are a hobbit enlisted in a war band, weapons?

Post by LowKey » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:44 am

The Twizzler wrote:Remember I said European bows, not African, Asian, or American, I also said they were hobbits not small humans. Those African pigmys are much stronger than a Hobbit would be. I would like to point out those pigmy bows are for small game hunting not anywhere near armored human opponents, lions, tigers, much less orcs.
There is no difference between African flat bows and European flat bows. The geometry is the same.
The pigmys take deer sized game with them, so more than adequate to take a human. If you meant English longbows you should have specified them, because there are more than a few types of European bows.
Finally, do you think all Hobbits suffer from myasthenia gravis or something similar? Otherwise there's zero reason to think the would be any less strong than a pigmy of equal height. They're actually likely to be stronger, as Hobbits are described as being a bit more robust of build, fat marbling not withstanding. The Took clan was particularly known for being rather physically strong.
I could have been very unfair and compared them to Chimpanzees for physical strength, even though chimps are even smaller than Hobbits.....an angry male chimp could tear your arm out of it's socket. :wink:
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