Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by NT2C » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:39 am

Don't say I didn't warn you folks... The robots are here, and they're apparently PISSED

Factory robot malfunctions and impales worker with 10 foot-long steel spikes

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by grumpyviking » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:02 am

Neville wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:25 pm
This thread is inspired by this one in the Thread Graveyard:

Death of Capitalism
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=119590

This is not intended to be a political thread so please stay on topic.

With advancements in robotics (have you seen the wild stuff coming out of Boston Dynamics recently) and self-driving vehicles, not to mention AI expert systems (IBM's super systems) you have to wonder how long it's going to be before there is anything a human can do that a machine can't.

People cannot be owned and are not disposable. Machines can be owned, and either fixed, upgraded, or disposed of when they malfunction or become obsolete.

To me, this says that maybe not today, nor tomorrow, but someday in the forseeable future, most if not all actual "jobs" will be staffed by machines rather than by humans.

This leaves us with the question "Who needs a human and why should we keep them around". Of course that potentially leads to all sorts of disturbing questions which are beyond the scope of this post. So let's let that sleeping dog lie for the moment and ask instead "As human-preferred jobs become more and more scarce, what would be your strategy to prosper and maintain a feasible way of life, in the face of mechanical replacement of human workers". Relating back to the referenced thread above, at some point, the Capitalists (from simple investors up to entrepreneurs and tycoons) will realize that the consumer economy model relies on the purchasing power of the consumer... which in turn, relies on the ability of the consumer to purchase goods and/or services. Without jobs, where are the consumers? At that point, it becomes obvious the old model is outdated... the question is, how is a transition to a new model managed, whatever that new model might be? Robotic replacement of human workers may be cost-effective but at the same time, undercuts the ability of former-workers to participate in the consumer model.

Is this a catch-22 or is there an actual workable replacement model?
i'm not sure this is anything like the problem in the UK, sure we have factories that are automated and there is talk of self driving cars(a bit in the future this one i think).
i am more concerned about technology taking over the world, these Alexa things that you talk to and which records everuthing you say are i think very worrying.
mind you i'm a neo luddite and i only have a very old mobile phone( the type called a "burner" on cop shows) and a 3 year old laptop computer, thats the sum total of my "technology" and its all i want.
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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:22 am

grumpyviking wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:02 am
Neville wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:25 pm
This thread is inspired by this one in the Thread Graveyard:

Death of Capitalism: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=119590

This is not intended to be a political thread so please stay on topic.

With advancements in robotics (have you seen the wild stuff coming out of Boston Dynamics recently) and self-driving vehicles, not to mention AI expert systems (IBM's super systems) you have to wonder how long it's going to be before there is anything a human can do that a machine can't.

People cannot be owned and are not disposable. Machines can be owned, and either fixed, upgraded, or disposed of when they malfunction or become obsolete.

To me, this says that maybe not today, nor tomorrow, but someday in the foreseeable future, most if not all actual "jobs" will be staffed by machines rather than by humans.

This leaves us with the question "Who needs a human and why should we keep them around". Of course that potentially leads to all sorts of disturbing questions which are beyond the scope of this post. So let's let that sleeping dog lie for the moment and ask instead "As human-preferred jobs become more and more scarce, what would be your strategy to prosper and maintain a feasible way of life, in the face of mechanical replacement of human workers". Relating back to the referenced thread above, at some point, the Capitalists (from simple investors up to entrepreneurs and tycoons) will realize that the consumer economy model relies on the purchasing power of the consumer... which in turn, relies on the ability of the consumer to purchase goods and/or services. Without jobs, where are the consumers? At that point, it becomes obvious the old model is outdated... the question is, how is a transition to a new model managed, whatever that new model might be? Robotic replacement of human workers may be cost-effective but at the same time, undercuts the ability of former-workers to participate in the consumer model.

Is this a catch-22 or is there an actual workable replacement model?
i'm not sure this is anything like the problem in the UK, sure we have factories that are automated and there is talk of self driving cars(a bit in the future this one i think).
i am more concerned about technology taking over the world, these Alexa things that you talk to and which records everything you say are i think very worrying.
mind you i'm a neo luddite and i only have a very old mobile phone( the type called a "burner" on cop shows) and a 3 year old laptop computer, that's the sum total of my "technology" and its all i want.
That's Pretty much what I roll with. I upgraded to a smartphone (HAH!) tht was old when I got it. My laptop is older, and wasn't top-of-the-line when I came out. External drive. No Onstar, GPS, Satellite, or smart anything in my car or apartment.

That's it.

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by grumpyviking » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:28 am

MPMalloy wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:22 am
That's Pretty much what I roll with. I upgraded to a smartphone (HAH!) tht was old when I got it. My laptop is older, and wasn't top-of-the-line when I came out. External drive. No Onstar, GPS, Satellite, or smart anything in my car or apartment.

That's it.
i dont like smart phones, too smart for their own good if you ask me, if the TV show "Hunted" is anything to go by then your location can be tracked on one of those.
i wont have sat nav in the car, i use paper maps.
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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by teotwaki » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:53 pm

NT2C wrote:
Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:39 am
Don't say I didn't warn you folks... The robots are here, and they're apparently PISSED

Factory robot malfunctions and impales worker with 10 foot-long steel spikes
The robot wasn't pissed at all. That was simply the first very rational step of improving the human into a 'Borg

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by grumpyviking » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:26 am

A Borg has no free will, a bit like an ant.
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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:42 pm

From NPR: I should have seen this coming.

Given the source, I'm not surprised.

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by majorhavoc » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:08 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:42 pm
From NPR: I should have seen this coming.

Given the source, I'm not surprised.
Next thing you know, people will be trying to tell me that C-3PO isn't real. :roll:

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:36 pm

majorhavoc wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:08 pm
MPMalloy wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:42 pm
From NPR: I should have seen this coming.

Given the source, I'm not surprised.
Next thing you know, people will be trying to tell me that C-3PO isn't real. :roll:
FUCK!

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by teotwaki » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:30 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:32 am
This sound familiar
Thanks! Neat article and it had some interesting tidbits too

" Toyota’s latest android, the T-HR3, is a kind of avatar that can be manipulated remotely via wearable controls, with vision goggles that allow users to see through the machine’s camera-eyes. The device could one day serve as arms and legs for the bedridden, or as a surrogate for relief workers in disaster zones."
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"Every time I close my eyes all I see is people dying" Alexa

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:31 am

From Boomberg: Artificial Intelligence Vs. the Hackers
Machine-learning algorithms watch hackers’ behavior and adapt to their evolving tactics.
Really that's who we would need. Tech Sargents People like me are a $0.10 a doz. :clownshoes:

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:40 am

Wikipedia is a rabbit-hole, but it's a pleasant one.

AI Control Problem

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:13 pm

From Bloomberg: U.S. Military Trusted More Than Google, Facebook to Develop AI

This hurts. And not just a little. :(

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Re: "Every time I close my eyes all I see is people dying" Alexa

Post by flybynight » Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:28 am

teotwaki wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:17 am
Ok that's creepy as F...
As of now I bet you got me wrong

John Titor was right

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by majorhavoc » Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:48 am

Innocent B-movie entertainment, or cautionary fable of our grim but inevitable future? You decide ...


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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:22 pm

majorhavoc wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:48 am
Innocent B-movie entertainment, or cautionary fable of our grim but inevitable future? You decide ...

I didn't need this. I mean I did, but I also didn't.

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by Stercutus » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:23 pm

These days of dust
Which we've known
Will blow away with this new Son

But I'll kneel down wait for now
And I'll kneel down
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Post by MPMalloy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:40 pm

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Soon precious, soon....

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/navy-arms- ... d-missiles
We need to talk. :(

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by NT2C » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:57 am

Okay, well this is one job I'll gladly leave to a robot:

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by MPMalloy » Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:04 am

NT2C wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:57 am
Okay, well this is one job I'll gladly leave to a robot:

I see that thing & I see a person who needs their job, losing their job.

I say shoot it. It's wouldn't be hard. It's not moving that fast. :mrgreen:

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Re: Robot Uprising - Or, what to do when AI Does All The Jobs

Post by NT2C » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:04 pm

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(Vive la Resistance!)
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