Remember Crimea?

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Russians 'annex' Alaska!

Shelter in place ~ try to go unnoticed and remain neutral.
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15%
Get the Hell out of Dodge! ~ I've heard Yukon Territory is nice this time of year.
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Actively resist ~ remember the original Red Dawn? I always liked that movie.
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Actively assist ~ I speak Russian and maybe they let me keep this AK-74 they gave me.
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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by Asymetryczna » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:47 am

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:Ignoring the political commentary on modern US media
You begin the thread with, "Ukraine elects" and then conclude that the use of the words "liberal media" is political commentary. Ha. I thought that those two words were combined now in common use and would be easier to explain than saying "corporate media," which rings more true. You introduce the words "modern US" as well, as if these were my thoughts instead of considering the larger worldview based on the ideas of liberty and equality. Your larger error was in suggesting that there are places where dissent "simply does not exist." I DISAGREE. I would argue that it is nearly as much a part of the human condition as the fear of death. I don't know Sid Meier so I cannot comment on whether he programs computer gaming to reflect game theory as it relates to international relations. You can use the world wide web to read now open source CIA reports that conclude the Soviet Union departed Afghanistan after a decade because of political and military reasons vice economic. In the words of Gorbachev, Afghanistan had become a "bleeding wound." Without the political will to continue, Soviet leadership became war weary. This is not to say they did not continue their other political aims, war being by its very nature: political.

Hopefully, you see this as continued discussion. I understand the intent of monitoring speech here but to call it a "Forum" and then say that "politics" is off limits is quite comical to me. It would be like inviting someone to a pool for the afternoon and going in, and under, and moving to and fro without interfering (much) with the other swimmers only to be censored later for saying the word "water."

The words "dissent" and "forum" insist upon themselves.
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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by teotwaki » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:52 am

nameless stats even include a special bucket for non-voters :mrgreen:

16 voted in the poll

52,610 - 16 = 52,594 ZS members who did not vote :crazy:
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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:55 am

Teo, I love you! :clap:
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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by Asymetryczna » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:57 am

Voting is a political act!
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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:01 am

:clap:
Asymetryczna wrote:Voting is a political act!
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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by teotwaki » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:28 am

Asymetryczna wrote:Voting is a political act!
Another form of comprehensive political exposure?
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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by Stercutus » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:55 pm

raptor wrote:
flybynight wrote: So what changed since 1940? All those European countries that the Axis powers conquered had active resistance fighters for years . Resistance isn't about confronting the enemy. It's the shot in the dark, The sabotage of train tracks. The radio call reporting troop movements. It's not a run to battle so much as a walk to ambush.

Good point. There is logic to retreating to live and fight another day. Resistance is not futile, it is vital.

Still, to use the Red Dawn movie analogy in the scene where the commie steps on the dead man's hand and takes his pistol away; I think based upon my personality; I am more like to be the guy on the ground. :roll:
Somehow I have gone from being C Thomas Howell, to Patrick Swayze, to Powers Boothe and now to Ben Johnson. :lol:
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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by flybynight » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:37 pm

Stercutus wrote:
raptor wrote:
flybynight wrote: So what changed since 1940? All those European countries that the Axis powers conquered had active resistance fighters for years . Resistance isn't about confronting the enemy. It's the shot in the dark, The sabotage of train tracks. The radio call reporting troop movements. It's not a run to battle so much as a walk to ambush.

Good point. There is logic to retreating to live and fight another day. Resistance is not futile, it is vital.

Still, to use the Red Dawn movie analogy in the scene where the commie steps on the dead man's hand and takes his pistol away; I think based upon my personality; I am more like to be the guy on the ground. :roll:
Somehow I have gone from being C Thomas Howell, to Patrick Swayze, to Powers Boothe and now to Ben Johnson. :lol:
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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by teotwaki » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:05 pm

Stercutus wrote:Somehow I have gone from being C Thomas Howell, to Patrick Swayze, to Powers Boothe and now to Ben Johnson. :lol:
Dude, looking good!

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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by teotwaki » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:21 pm

Just a little more thread drift....

The tanks and helos of Red Dawn

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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:08 am

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:I love how this thread went from how to fight off a hypothetical Russian invasion to what to do if you find an old government supply cache. :lol:

On topic, I live in Texas and given the high number of gun owners in my state, any kind of invasion be it foreign or domestic would be met with a large amount of force. Especially in the rural areas.

There's a saying here in Texas about the population and how many of us are armed. Last version I heard was 30 million Texans and about 26 million or so are armed. Wouldn't be too hard to find a bunch of heavily armed country boys looking for an excuse to fight in my AO. Hell, all it'd take is one post on Facebook and one could raise a small army to fight the invaders.

That said, I have no fantasies about my ability to fight back against an invasion. I know I'd be dead within the first wave or two, but I'd owe it to my family to resist as long as I could so they could get to a safer area. Sure I'd be dead, but I'd at least hope I could take a few of the invaders with me when I died.
Here ya' go Chimpov, saw this the other day and I thought of you. :mrgreen:

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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:57 pm

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:I love how this thread went from how to fight off a hypothetical Russian invasion to what to do if you find an old government supply cache. :lol:

On topic, I live in Texas and given the high number of gun owners in my state, any kind of invasion be it foreign or domestic would be met with a large amount of force. Especially in the rural areas.

There's a saying here in Texas about the population and how many of us are armed. Last version I heard was 30 million Texans and about 26 million or so are armed. Wouldn't be too hard to find a bunch of heavily armed country boys looking for an excuse to fight in my AO. Hell, all it'd take is one post on Facebook and one could raise a small army to fight the invaders.

That said, I have no fantasies about my ability to fight back against an invasion. I know I'd be dead within the first wave or two, but I'd owe it to my family to resist as long as I could so they could get to a safer area. Sure I'd be dead, but I'd at least hope I could take a few of the invaders with me when I died.
Here ya' go Chimpov, saw this the other day and I thought of you. :mrgreen:

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Thanks, Hiro. That was pretty neat.

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Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:10 pm

Yup~ moving to Texoma has introduced me to Red Dirt music- Ironically, that's what Corb Lund (Alberta) and Slaid Cleeves (Maine) are considered- Texas / Oklahoma Red Dirt artists. :lol:
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:15 pm

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:Yup~ moving to Texoma has introduced me to Red Dirt music- Ironically, that's what Corb Lund (Alberta) and Slaid Cleeves (Maine) are considered- Texas / Oklahoma Red Dirt artists. :lol:
I was introduced to that musical genre via a band called "The Texas Hippie Coalition". They're like a mix between Pantera and Black Label Society if anyone cares to listen to them.

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12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:Yup~ moving to Texoma has introduced me to Red Dirt music- Ironically, that's what Corb Lund (Alberta) and Slaid Cleeves (Maine) are considered- Texas / Oklahoma Red Dirt artists. :lol:
I was introduced to that musical genre via a band called "The Texas Hippie Coalition". They're like a mix between Pantera and Black Label Society if anyone cares to listen to them.
I think the best definition for RedDirt is: well, your country- but there ain't no way you'll make it in Nashville ~ so move to Austin and call yourself a RedDirt singer. :clap:
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Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:Yup~ moving to Texoma has introduced me to Red Dirt music- Ironically, that's what Corb Lund (Alberta) and Slaid Cleeves (Maine) are considered- Texas / Oklahoma Red Dirt artists. :lol:
I was introduced to that musical genre via a band called "The Texas Hippie Coalition". They're like a mix between Pantera and Black Label Society if anyone cares to listen to them.
I think the best definition for RedDirt is: well, your country- but there ain't no way you'll make it in Nashville ~ so move to Austin and call yourself a RedDirt singer. :clap:
That or you move to Odessa and sing in a series of seedy bars, each one more unwelcoming than the last, until the oilfield companies start hiring again and you forget your dreams of fame.

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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by flybynight » Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:07 am

ManInBlack316 wrote:
Dabster wrote:Ummm... Have any of you seen Occupied? It is a Norwegian political thriller TV series with 10 episodes that premiered on TV2 on 5 October 2015.[4] Based on an original idea by Jo Nesbø, the series is directed by Erik Skjoldbjærg and available on Netflix.

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It is about a terrible, sleazy and insidious Russian invasion. Very good stuff.

Sorry if it's mentioned but I couldn't find it in this thread.
While I really like that show, I don't think that's similar to the scenario the thread is discussing. Norway (in the show) is a small isolated country that has it's own allies working with the Russians in exchange for gas resources, Alaska is a part of a (currently) large and powerful country that while losses could be expected could actually take the fight back and strike at Russian turf while fighting the invasion.
But as far as showing an active resistance forming in response to malevolent occupation, it's spot on.
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Post by ManInBlack316 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:51 pm

flybynight wrote:
ManInBlack316 wrote:
Dabster wrote:Ummm... Have any of you seen Occupied? It is a Norwegian political thriller TV series with 10 episodes that premiered on TV2 on 5 October 2015.[4] Based on an original idea by Jo Nesbø, the series is directed by Erik Skjoldbjærg and available on Netflix.

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It is about a terrible, sleazy and insidious Russian invasion. Very good stuff.

Sorry if it's mentioned but I couldn't find it in this thread.
While I really like that show, I don't think that's similar to the scenario the thread is discussing. Norway (in the show) is a small isolated country that has it's own allies working with the Russians in exchange for gas resources, Alaska is a part of a (currently) large and powerful country that while losses could be expected could actually take the fight back and strike at Russian turf while fighting the invasion.
But as far as showing an active resistance forming in response to malevolent occupation, it's spot on.
That's true, didn't think about that. But I suppose season 2, when it finally comes out, will be much more like this thread :clap:

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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by Stercutus » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:04 pm

You mean they will find a weapons cache in Alaska?
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Re: Remember Crimea?

Post by ManInBlack316 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:36 pm

Stercutus wrote:You mean they will find a weapons cache in Alaska?
Hey, they need more weapons from somewhere :awesome: considering all the "allies" are still unwilling to help and the Russians hit some weapons caches of the resistance in season one.

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Post by flybynight » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:39 pm

Stercutus wrote:You mean they will find a weapons cache in Alaska?
Probaly more along the lines of Image

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Re: Remember Crimea?

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Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:I support the Right to Drifting Threads- it's a First Amendment thing, right?
...I'm triggered! :gonk: :gonk: :gonk: :gonk: :gonk:
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Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:I support the Right to Drifting Threads- it's a First Amendment thing, right?
...I'm triggered! :gonk: :gonk: :gonk: :gonk: :gonk:
I'm being sarcastic- as usual. But I would argue that this entire website and all other BBS sites are built on the Right to Free Speech guaranteed by The First Amendment. In fact, the whole WWW is built on The First Amendment and I believe that the internet has been the most influential tool in the expansion of Western thought and doctrine since the end of The Cold War. (Read that as American thought and doctrine; because it all stems from The American Revolution- and the reason we call it a revolution and not just a war is because it was a great change in ideology and the advent of a system that was completely new to the world.) Has it been abused by enemies of freedom? Of course, but what hasn't? Remember all those ISIS and Al-Queida videos that they showed on the nightly news with Toyota pick-em-up trucks? That's some free advertising nobody wants!
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