WWYD if there was an election?

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by Stercutus » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:17 pm

aikorob wrote:
MPMalloy wrote:Some days ZS is better than the Comedy Channel.
some days? somebody's been slacking off!
It isn't me. The last serious post I made was like over two years ago.
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by majorhavoc » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:19 pm

Stercutus wrote:
aikorob wrote:
MPMalloy wrote:Some days ZS is better than the Comedy Channel.
some days? somebody's been slacking off!
It isn't me. The last serious post I made was like over two years ago.

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by flybynight » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:38 pm

Stercutus wrote:
aikorob wrote:
MPMalloy wrote:Some days ZS is better than the Comedy Channel.
some days? somebody's been slacking off!
It isn't me. The last serious post I made was like over two years ago.
Yep :lol:
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by bark-eater » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:01 pm

And politics rears its pointy head..Image
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:45 am

You know, I'm actually kinda' torn on this thread.

It feels to me that we need to discuss this, from a prepping standpoint.

If the lady in the blue pant suit wins, we may have a Civil War. And you can bet on a renewal of the Cold War, Putin has already promised that.

And if the guy in the red hat wins, we will probably be at war with every one other than Russia when he acts on his Hitler-esque tendencies.

But how do we discuss this without getting political?

Instead, let's say why we don't discuss politics.

If I disagree with you on politics, I must be an idiot.

And since I'm an idiot, you will not want to hear my opinions on homesteading and shooting skills.

The simple fact is, prepping does not belong to any one political affiliation.

If you talk privately with members of thes boards you will find we run the full spectrum of Far-left Sanders Democrats to Alt-Right Trumpist.

But nobody wants to listen to me because I'm a cannabis supporting Libertarian.

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by bark-eater » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:08 pm

It would be nice if the forum could be like Switzerland, but its not so easy with out the mountain stronghold, citizen militia, holding a large portion of the worlds currency, and holey cheese.
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:24 pm

bark-eater wrote:It would be nice if the forum could be like Switzerland, but its not so easy with out the mountain stronghold, citizen militia, holding a large portion of the worlds currency, and holey cheese.
Don't forget their flag, it's a big plus, too.
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by majorhavoc » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:29 pm

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
bark-eater wrote:It would be nice if the forum could be like Switzerland, but its not so easy with out the mountain stronghold, citizen militia, holding a large portion of the worlds currency, and holey cheese.
Don't forget their flag, it's a big plus, too.
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by Stercutus » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:02 pm

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote: But nobody wants to listen to me because I'm a cannabis supporting Libertarian.

JMHO YMMV
Your alternate universe sounds a lot like the one I live in where the media is trying to scare people in to voting whom they want. Except in my universe there is a cannabis smoking libertarian running for president too.
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by bark-eater » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:34 pm

Well if were going to talk alternative reality politics...... My true concern in my alternate universe is that their are not enough cannabis smoking gun toteing libratarians on the supreame court.
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by Close_enough » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:59 pm

bark-eater wrote:Well if were going to talk alternative reality politics...... My true concern in my alternate universe is that their are not enough cannabis smoking gun toteing libratarians on the supreame court.
I just got an uncomfortable image of a cross between Spicoli, of Fast Times at Ridgemont High fame, and Rambo.

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by majorhavoc » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:20 pm

Careful everyone. I know Barkeater was actually just paying Hiroshima a sideways complement, but let's not let this veer into an area we all know will get this thread locked. We've been doing so well thus far on this thread. I too believe there's a legitimate prepping topic to discuss here.

Back on point: I almost feel bad for doing this because I rail against panic buying, but I ordered 5 more Pmags on Friday. Not so much because I need them, but as a hedge against - er, you know, a highly reactive marketplace. I think there's a good chance prices for such products may begin to rise in about 36 hours. And if I'm wrong about that, well, I've got 5 more mags that I can always sell at some point. I was considering getting some even cheaper Hex or ACS mags instead. But I figured if you're going to speculate on the AR mag futures market, might as well invest in the brand that comes closest to a universal currency.

Aside from that, as I've said earlier I voted early this time around. For the same reasons I would do my errands ahead of time to avoid street protests about any emotionally charged issue: discretion is the better part of valor and it just seems prudent to avoid crowds on election day. And perhaps for a few days afterwards as everyone comes to terms with the outcome.

I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea to top off my gas tank too.

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by flybynight » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:38 pm

Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
As of now I bet you got me wrong

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by MPMalloy » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:15 pm

flybynight wrote:Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.
Damn Straight!

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by bark-eater » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:20 pm

My bad....

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Returning to my pet paronoia, has anyone noticed their internet devises getting wonky? My brother just wiped an Ipad because something big that wasnt supposed to exist was running in the back ground and slowing it to a crawl.
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by Close_enough » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:15 pm

bark-eater wrote:Returning to my pet paronoia, has anyone noticed their internet devises getting wonky? My brother just wiped an Ipad because something big that wasnt supposed to exist was running in the back ground and slowing it to a crawl.
Sort of. It's like add-ons for windows. You have to periodically go through and delete anything you didn't remember installing. During clean-outs, I often find directories and files from stuff was that was supposed to have been uninstalled. I also deleted any apps I didn't really need and replaced the more intrusive ones I do need with less nosey aftermarket apps.

That being said, I have been noticing network congestion getting worse. SMS messages will sometime stall for hours.

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by MPMalloy » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:40 pm

Hey everyone:

I find that I am not receiving emails from ZS notifying me of new posts.

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by flybynight » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:59 pm

The threads posting times is off from current time also. How do you post ahead of current time.
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by Stercutus » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:24 pm

flybynight wrote:The threads posting times is off from current time also. How do you post ahead of current time.
You don't update the board for DLST.

The wheels have been getting creaky on the apple cart since they did away with the charity years ago. I suppose it was for the best people get weird when money is involved.
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by MPMalloy » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:53 pm

Not a charity??? WTF?!

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by woodsghost » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:23 pm

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
If the lady in the blue pant suit wins, we may have a Civil War. And you can bet on a renewal of the Cold War, Putin has already promised that.
From a prepping standpoint, I'd say the possibility of a cold war is incalculable. I"m not impressed with Putin's promises. But another cold war is not much of a disaster, so the consequences are pretty mild and survivable. Now, if a cold war turns into a hot war, we have problems.....


Civil war: Well, I suspect the odds here are easier to calculate. It really depends on how badly she wants to stomp on the constitution and other laws of the land. And it depends on how others will choose to respond to those stomps. So far the responses to encroachment on legal rights, a whole host of them, and the responses to law breaking, lots of it, have all been through the court system and by the book. As long as the legal system works and addresses those affronts to justice, things will sail smoothly. If the legal system stops working......

The potential fallout is pretty heavy, and well worth preparing for, IMO. Not just because of this election, but the issues of the erosion of constitutional rights has been occurring for a while now. I'd say since at least 1986 for some rights. Others are more recent.

Also, there is no telling which minority group will kick off the civil war. Some are angry at police, some are angry at the president. Some are angry at the courts. Some are angry at other US citizens. Some are angry at foreigners. Some are angry at their new host country. Some she would wish to support may not actually be defused by her getting elected. They have been pretty active under Obama. I see no reason they would suddenly become less active under the Blue Pantsuit.

All thoughts on the legitimacy of any group's claims to grievance are censored. That, I believe, is one of the keys to keeping this focused on prepping and not on politics.
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And if the guy in the red hat wins, we will probably be at war with every one other than Russia when he acts on his Hitler-esque tendencies.
Not sure what evidence there is for either of those ideas. For one, most nations are rather loathe to go to war, and it takes at least 2 to make a war. I really don't see an uptick in "wars" coming, especially since Congress would have to get on board to actually commit the US to any wars. I really don't see Congress or any other foreign countries jumping on some "lets have a war" bandwagon. I really don't see Red Hat swinging that way either. So while potential fallout from a world war would be devastating, my personal risk assessment is pretty low, even by my "lets be prepared for zombies" standards.

Now, "stealth & covert aggression" between countries would be totally on the table, between both allies and enemies. But that has been happening for over 50 years, and no real fallout has happened that I can detect, so that is low on the "I gotta prep for this" o'meter.

As to "Hitler-esque tendencies," I don't see Red Hat doing much other than saying "we need to look after ourselves first." That is not, strictly speaking, fascist. That is self-centric politics, engaged in by many, many other countries. The best definition of fascism I encountered is that fascism is a political system built around the cult of the individual rather than ideology. While this would accurately reflect what I see in Red Hat, that is again something we see in many world leaders. When we like it we praise it, and when we dislike it, we draw comparisons to Hitler.

The more common use of the word "fascism" in the US is in reference to "right-wing" and self-centered (often isolationist) politics. This can be seen in the wikipedia definition of fascism. However, one has to then ignore the obvious issue that the Nazis were the National Socialist German Workers Party, which are more about left wing politics, rather than right wing politics. But wait! There was a lot of what we traditionally associate with right wing politics thrown in there as well!!! Well, yes, that is why fascism is more about the cult of personality, rather than "right" or "left" wing politics or any coherent ideology.

All this to say: "Hitler-esque tendencies" in any candidate earn a pretty big yawn on my "I gotta prep for this" o'meter. There are plenty of fascist politicians all over the world, all over the political spectrums, and showing themselves off for more than 90 years. Only a few of those 90 years were spent in a world war.

The only issue I see coming from Red Hat winning is a potential civil war as "there is no telling which minority group will kick off the civil war. Some are angry at police, some are angry at the president. Some are angry at the courts. Some are angry at other US citizens. Some are angry at foreigners. Some are angry at their new host country. .... I see no reason they would suddenly become less active under the Blue Pantsuit Red Hat."




Conclusion: I don't see any real potential for problems, other than those which are already ongoing. In 6-48 months I see potential for problems if rule of law and the Constitution are not respected. But that goes for any presidential candidate.
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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by Close_enough » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:10 am

Nuts, I forgot about another cold war. I grew up during the Reagan administration with a Russian sounding last name. It still enrages me when I think of all the **** I received because of it, and Reagan's constant hardline rhetoric. Another cold war means my kids will grow up with a similar experience.

How the heck do I prepare them for that?

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Re: WWYD if there was an election?

Post by Stercutus » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:32 am

In my alternate universe people who are draft dodgers don't make good fascists. It just seems to be missing that "umph" to make it genuine.
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